Tiger Airways a330 Australia
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Tiger Airways a330 Australia
Any truth to the rumour Tiger Oz will be taking some a330's?
Possibly from SIA and the a330's they are getting from the delay of the a380?
Seems Melbourne - Singapore better than Melb-DWN-Sinagpore?
Possibly from SIA and the a330's they are getting from the delay of the a380?
Seems Melbourne - Singapore better than Melb-DWN-Sinagpore?
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Unlikely?
Anyone in Tiger care to comment? 
Unlilkely I would have thought, given they are 100% foreign owned and would need to get a 51% Ozzzie partner to get an international AOC in Australia.
I reckon Tiger Singapore could do it very quickly though... Would just need the reg approval from both governments for the route (not too hard usually) and some CCQ courses.
Bet ya got the little tiggers goin with that one confirm-finals...
Unlilkely I would have thought, given they are 100% foreign owned and would need to get a 51% Ozzzie partner to get an international AOC in Australia.
I reckon Tiger Singapore could do it very quickly though... Would just need the reg approval from both governments for the route (not too hard usually) and some CCQ courses.
Bet ya got the little tiggers goin with that one confirm-finals...
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Wouldn't Tiger only require the additional route on their existing international AOC? They already operate Sing - Darwin, so Sing - Melb wouldn't be a problem. Jetstar have just increased their schedules, now operating two Darwin - Sing flights daily, one originating ex Cairns, and one ex Mel, so there must be traffic available.
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The aircraft would not be ex-SIA - SIA are just about to start taking delivery of a big fleet of A330s next year - they are to close the gap until a new fleet of A350s arrive in the mid 2010s.
Does the rumour say which part of Tiger would like the A330s? What would be the cost difference between Tiger Singapore and Tiger Australia operating an A330? Tiger Singapore would still have an advantage, would they not?
I think Tiger Singapore would only get into A330s if they wanted to compete against SIA, and fly outside the Asia Pacific region. A320s could fly as far as Mumbai/Delhi from SIN, but an A330 would be a better plane, even allowing for all the competition that is being added on routes like that. If Tiger Singapore does use add A330s, and everyone in Singapore is happy for them to compete against SIA, it would be easy for them to add A340-600s - very similar aircraft and fly to Stansted. Why not? We have seen Jetstar, Air Asia etc get bored with flying smaller planes around Asia, sooner or later everyone wants to go long haul.
Does the rumour say which part of Tiger would like the A330s? What would be the cost difference between Tiger Singapore and Tiger Australia operating an A330? Tiger Singapore would still have an advantage, would they not?
I think Tiger Singapore would only get into A330s if they wanted to compete against SIA, and fly outside the Asia Pacific region. A320s could fly as far as Mumbai/Delhi from SIN, but an A330 would be a better plane, even allowing for all the competition that is being added on routes like that. If Tiger Singapore does use add A330s, and everyone in Singapore is happy for them to compete against SIA, it would be easy for them to add A340-600s - very similar aircraft and fly to Stansted. Why not? We have seen Jetstar, Air Asia etc get bored with flying smaller planes around Asia, sooner or later everyone wants to go long haul.
I would very much doubt it. Davis has said point blank that he wouldn't have widebodies at Tiger on his watch. Then again, he once said that he wouldn't serve Australia. Hmmmm
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Smell the coffee chaps.
No one from Tiger (OZ) has said anything about operating the 330's on international routes ex Oz.
Has anyone seen how QF floods the market with seats on it's 747 Classic between ML-PH / SY/PH.
I'm not too good at maths but I can put 2 and 2 together !
No one from Tiger (OZ) has said anything about operating the 330's on international routes ex Oz.
Has anyone seen how QF floods the market with seats on it's 747 Classic between ML-PH / SY/PH.
I'm not too good at maths but I can put 2 and 2 together !
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I was actually refering to the a330 SIA about to take delivery of not ex-SIA a330's (as they don't have any)...
Tiger OZ is 49% owned by SIA... I don't think Tiger would compete against SIA as it's a differnet class structure (full service vs LCC)
Tiger OZ is 49% owned by SIA... I don't think Tiger would compete against SIA as it's a differnet class structure (full service vs LCC)
Short haul low cost is a well proven, successful business model for Easy Jet, Ryan Air and Southwest Air.
Long haul low cost, not so well known results. Oasis Hong Kong have just folded. Air Asia X, V Australia and J* International relative new comers.
As stated earlier Tiger Oz have no international AOC and the CEO has stated " not on my watch"
SQ will need the A330s for their own routes as their capacity is a bit stretched with the A380 delay.
A few years down the track when SQs new aircraft arrive, if there is a demand who knows ?
Long haul low cost, not so well known results. Oasis Hong Kong have just folded. Air Asia X, V Australia and J* International relative new comers.
As stated earlier Tiger Oz have no international AOC and the CEO has stated " not on my watch"
SQ will need the A330s for their own routes as their capacity is a bit stretched with the A380 delay.
A few years down the track when SQs new aircraft arrive, if there is a demand who knows ?
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Big Cats In The Jungle...
According to the CP at Tiger, they have already been offered the A330s by SIA however, it apparently doesn't fit the current business model.
Ryanair et al, have now entered the widebody market therefore, has the business model changed?
It would be an incredibly profitable move to introduce A330s as a link between the major Tiger Hubs i.e. MEL-SIN, MEL-INDIA, MEL-INCHON, MEL-MAINLINE CHINA, etc.
These are not competion routes for SIA (try getting a seat to SIN!!), they are new and exciting destinations for "low cost aussies" and the sheer magnitude of population available for return traffic must have the accountants salivating!
I guess we will need to wait and see the influence SIA has as it increases toward 100% ownership and if the CEO sticks around after the public float. (Big payday pending)
In the interim, there appears much more chance of Tiger Aust taking on V Aust using the SIA 340-500s. Aircraft basically grifted to Tiger Aust and Tiger Portland USA documents floating around as we speak... open skies indeed!
Ryanair et al, have now entered the widebody market therefore, has the business model changed?
It would be an incredibly profitable move to introduce A330s as a link between the major Tiger Hubs i.e. MEL-SIN, MEL-INDIA, MEL-INCHON, MEL-MAINLINE CHINA, etc.
These are not competion routes for SIA (try getting a seat to SIN!!), they are new and exciting destinations for "low cost aussies" and the sheer magnitude of population available for return traffic must have the accountants salivating!
I guess we will need to wait and see the influence SIA has as it increases toward 100% ownership and if the CEO sticks around after the public float. (Big payday pending)
In the interim, there appears much more chance of Tiger Aust taking on V Aust using the SIA 340-500s. Aircraft basically grifted to Tiger Aust and Tiger Portland USA documents floating around as we speak... open skies indeed!
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Funny, I heard that SIA's 340-500s are being refitted to all BIZ class!
I can't book an economy ticket on one when I want it.
If that's true, it's gonna be tough to change the Tiger business model to work with those numbers. A few hundred dollars for 130 odd seats = not enough.
I think Tiger (AU) would be having a hard enough time trying to crew what aircraft it has now let alone look at anything else for quite a while but ,in any case, long enough to give the others time for a good head start.
I can't book an economy ticket on one when I want it.
If that's true, it's gonna be tough to change the Tiger business model to work with those numbers. A few hundred dollars for 130 odd seats = not enough.
I think Tiger (AU) would be having a hard enough time trying to crew what aircraft it has now let alone look at anything else for quite a while but ,in any case, long enough to give the others time for a good head start.
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low cost long haul has had another disappointment with Oasis, but there have been lots of failures among short hauls - it does not mean that a clean sheet of paper airline will not succeed if it gets its costs and yields right. If Oasis had had a decent Yield Manager they would still be here. The other airlines like Air Asia X and Jetstar are yet to start flying outside the Asia Pacific region. I think Jetstar will have very good control of its yields. Air Asia will learn quickly if its model of very tight seating will be what people want on flights between Malaysia and Europe. Interesting to note that Cathay considers its Economy Cabin to be a Low Cost Carrier operation on long haul services - The big airlines will fight to keep every Economy passenger, no matter how many First and Business passengers they carry.
Why would Tiger need SQ's hand me downs? Tiger started with new A320s, and they could order new A330s in their own specification if they wanted them. If Tiger Singapore uses some of them, and SQ is happy to allow some controlled competition, Tiger A330s might go well on routes like MEL-SIN-BOM/DEL. If Tiger Australia really wants to do non stops from MEL to India or China, that would require A330-200s in a similar configuration to the new Qantas planes, and that would hardly be a low cost operation.
Why would Tiger need SQ's hand me downs? Tiger started with new A320s, and they could order new A330s in their own specification if they wanted them. If Tiger Singapore uses some of them, and SQ is happy to allow some controlled competition, Tiger A330s might go well on routes like MEL-SIN-BOM/DEL. If Tiger Australia really wants to do non stops from MEL to India or China, that would require A330-200s in a similar configuration to the new Qantas planes, and that would hardly be a low cost operation.