Merged: Boeing Revises 787 First Flight and Delivery Plans- Again
B787 inefficiency due to excess ground personnel
Just drove by the B787 parked at YSSY on the eastern apron. My worry is that the 787 seems to need upwards of 50 people wearing green safety vests to surround it at all times. This could be very expensive in the long run for airlines.
Through the fence it was evident that the green vested personnel (a new species?) were obviously expert in:
* involving themselves with earnest discussion
* answering questions of each other when asked and giving advice freely
* answering questions of each other when not asked
* being able to stand in the one place for long times without physical support.
I think they are a Darwinian evolution of the council workers of the '60s; you remember the ones who were always found leaning on shovels (actually an appendage that looked like a shovel), but even then were expert in providing gratuitous advice to all.
With evolution it seems the resting shovel has slowly flattened out, changed its colouring to green and risen up to cover the upper torso, while the species itself can now stand upright on two legs.
Probably Charles Darwin would have predicted it if asked; although I cannot find any reference in the "Origin of Species"
Through the fence it was evident that the green vested personnel (a new species?) were obviously expert in:
* involving themselves with earnest discussion
* answering questions of each other when asked and giving advice freely
* answering questions of each other when not asked
* being able to stand in the one place for long times without physical support.
I think they are a Darwinian evolution of the council workers of the '60s; you remember the ones who were always found leaning on shovels (actually an appendage that looked like a shovel), but even then were expert in providing gratuitous advice to all.
With evolution it seems the resting shovel has slowly flattened out, changed its colouring to green and risen up to cover the upper torso, while the species itself can now stand upright on two legs.
Probably Charles Darwin would have predicted it if asked; although I cannot find any reference in the "Origin of Species"
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And the aircraft looks like its evolving into a surfboard! Love the sleek lines, the fin and wingtips but the nose section makes it look like a mini malibu.
Keg, did you check out the 'skeg jet'.
Keg, did you check out the 'skeg jet'.
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Has someone for the love of God explained why the hell these things are not going to mainline to replace the 767's?
Even Strambi said he wasn't sure where they were going first.
You'd think that if you were intent on reinvigorating the mainline fleet and pilots, I mean honestly wanted to, you would look at this to energise the QF mainline product.
Managers - here today gone tomorrow (with golden parachute deployed)
Even Strambi said he wasn't sure where they were going first.
You'd think that if you were intent on reinvigorating the mainline fleet and pilots, I mean honestly wanted to, you would look at this to energise the QF mainline product.
Managers - here today gone tomorrow (with golden parachute deployed)
You'd think that if you were intent on reinvigorating the mainline fleet and pilots, I mean honestly wanted to, you would look at this to energise the QF mainline product.
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Most telling was the fact that the Rat paraded a Jetstar pilot to talk to the press in Sydney today and there was no doubt the first batch are to go to Jetstar.
There was a carrot that a second batch would go to Mainline but dont hold your breathe on that one given the credibility of this management.
Game over unless someone can expose the truth with this lot.
There was a carrot that a second batch would go to Mainline but dont hold your breathe on that one given the credibility of this management.
Game over unless someone can expose the truth with this lot.
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Wasn't he allowed on board?
Yes, I do know that this particular aircraft (001) is still fitted out with the flight test suite, and will never be sold for pax service by Boeing, probably end up in a museum!
Yes, I do know that this particular aircraft (001) is still fitted out with the flight test suite, and will never be sold for pax service by Boeing, probably end up in a museum!
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ABC24 are now reporting this
Dreamliner can't save Qantas: Joyce - Business (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Dreamliner can't save Qantas: Joyce - Business (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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In the photo of the Irish Wheel Chock above, the hangar doors are open and the chock is not displaying an ASIC.
CASA could make a quick $500 in fines, and it's not like he can't afford it.
CASA could make a quick $500 in fines, and it's not like he can't afford it.
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The more interesting question will be who maintains them?
Qantas or Jetstar?
Given that Jetstar fly 5,000hrs a year and QF about 3,500hrs the maximum fuel savings would go to Jetstar.
Read more: Unveiling a Dream, but not a silver bullet
The more fuel-efficient aircraft will become a mainstay of the fleet.
Qantas' budget offshoot, Jetstar, will receive the first of 50 Dreamliners on order for the group in mid-2013 - slightly later than the most recent timetable. Jetstar will use the 787s to replace its Airbus A330s on routes to Japan, Hawaii and Singapore.
Doesn't QF fly to Japan, Hawaii & Singapore?
Although the new aircraft would help Qantas reach more long-haul destinations due to their improved range, Mr Joyce said broader productivity improvements were needed to return the international operations to profit after losses of more than $200 million last financial year.
So the new aircraft will help JetStar reach the same destinations that they reach now 
and the 'Board' and AJ & BB are very happy with the fact that they can deliver productivity improvements by having QF take delivery of the 787's and let JQ operate an Airbus fleet only, but do not wish to do so. 
As JQ will need their ginger beers & LAME's to be rated on Airbus and Boeing aircraft going forward, doesn't that carry additional costs to the JQ operation? 
''[The Dreamliner] will make a big difference to Qantas' international direct network but it is not the silver bullet,'' he said. ''We need a lot more changes in that business in order for it to get back to profitability.''
[/QUOTE] As QF 94 said, if International was going so bad, why spend all those $$$$'s refitting the 747's with A380 seats and IFE ?
[/QUOTE] As QF 94 said, if International was going so bad, why spend all those $$$$'s refitting the 747's with A380 seats and IFE ?
Taxied past the 'liner of dreams' 2day at Tulla, didn't look anything too flash in fact if it where painted in crappy QF colours it would have looked like an old outdated B767 I reckon. Dangerous looking donks too, sharp edges on the back of 'em:-) At least the A380 achieved one thing, they made the ugliest 'dugong' plane around !
When you think about it mankind has come virtually no further than the day the Wright boys where fiddling with powered flight. We still need wings to fly, we still need engines to push 'em fwd & we still need lots of space to operate them.We've improved on safety,speed & comfort, nothing much else other than movement by mass.
What's next?
Wmk2
When you think about it mankind has come virtually no further than the day the Wright boys where fiddling with powered flight. We still need wings to fly, we still need engines to push 'em fwd & we still need lots of space to operate them.We've improved on safety,speed & comfort, nothing much else other than movement by mass.
What's next?
Wmk2
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787 lemon
20% better fuel burn looks a tad optimistic given this data Boeing 787 update and CO2 emissions perspective.
No it doesn't have the GEnx engines data but still very worrying for Qantas. All eggs in one basket and not one a 777 . Where is the 20% saving going to come from?
No it doesn't have the GEnx engines data but still very worrying for Qantas. All eggs in one basket and not one a 777 . Where is the 20% saving going to come from?