HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The way I see it is that LAMEs got Forked over big time when Bruce D. was running the ALAEA (and I know, from inside, at that time that he controlled the exec)..........and we have never ever...........................
QF management had their hand up Bruce's fundamental orifice so far...................and we never will RECOVER!
QF management had their hand up Bruce's fundamental orifice so far...................and we never will RECOVER!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
dont think the hand was up bruce,s arse think more the exec ,bruce loathe him or love him at least had the lames at heart ,he did what he had too and when he wasnt going to tow the line anymore he was given the arsan chop.bruce held off on one man transits and a host of other things the company wanted introduced without letting on.
also if bruce had been offered a current position on the fed exec now it would have been greast to see him exact some revenge . i agree certain exec members were given pay offs in the past but the past is the past.
unless we stand together we will once again vote in a lessor offer talk is cheap ,actions are strong
also if bruce had been offered a current position on the fed exec now it would have been greast to see him exact some revenge . i agree certain exec members were given pay offs in the past but the past is the past.
unless we stand together we will once again vote in a lessor offer talk is cheap ,actions are strong
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Oz
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
By the sound of the latest notice it would appear that the company has not even provided the entire document to the assn for their consideration. What is it with this mob? They fart around for over a year then come up with some half baked incomplete offer..... and they are selling it like it is the best thing since sliced bread telling us it is important that we get it bedded down asap! I smell a rat.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
employee perspctive , you sound as if you are bitter and twisted ,now singing a different tune since the emails have gone out ,guess it was a no ,dont worry theirs always the fun process in three years for the 787.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Oz
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let 'em go for it Annulus, anyone who signs up on the open ended agreement with no detail know exactly what they are getting into, as long as they don't come whinging to the assn later. I would be wary if I was a Snr or Supervisor though, do they retain this position down the track?
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Up left - Down right
Posts: 946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I know it does not answer the question (Snr LAME & Supervisors positions down the track)
but look at the EBA “Redeploy LAME’s as AME’s. That gotta tell you something.
but look at the EBA “Redeploy LAME’s as AME’s. That gotta tell you something.
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Looks like the barney is on. First business day after the election and the notice has come out for industrial action. Overtime bans, higher duties bans, secondment bans, stop work meetings. This mob don't fk around. The ad was right, they're coming back, didnt take long.
Bring it on and don't stop until M is on the scrap heap.
Bring it on and don't stop until M is on the scrap heap.
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: AUSTRALIA
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gents
its time to get rid of the imbiciles that are running the show.
We listen to the "new world speel " that they preach but things get
worse! when they say "engage the workforce " they actually mean
help me because i have made a whole lot of promises to senior management
that I don't know how to keep!
well guys, all that will happen is they will blame the union or the workforce for there inability to manage., and the loser will be us!!!!!!!!!!
It is now time to fight M and DC\
Its turned into such a cluster f**k that they are making us look bad in order to save there own skins.
Its time to let the results of there action be seen.
NO OT, NO HIGHER DUTIES AND NO SECONDMENTS.
DC has taken the pride out of QF engineering and the fleet is suffering.
It is time to take action to get rid of these fools before they get rid of us!@!!!!
Stop work meetings next I say
its time to get rid of the imbiciles that are running the show.
We listen to the "new world speel " that they preach but things get
worse! when they say "engage the workforce " they actually mean
help me because i have made a whole lot of promises to senior management
that I don't know how to keep!
well guys, all that will happen is they will blame the union or the workforce for there inability to manage., and the loser will be us!!!!!!!!!!
It is now time to fight M and DC\
Its turned into such a cluster f**k that they are making us look bad in order to save there own skins.
Its time to let the results of there action be seen.
NO OT, NO HIGHER DUTIES AND NO SECONDMENTS.
DC has taken the pride out of QF engineering and the fleet is suffering.
It is time to take action to get rid of these fools before they get rid of us!@!!!!
Stop work meetings next I say
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: australia
Posts: 350
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
did we reach intelligent space or has the bridge of trust been burnt in the pity city 44 gallon drum?
guess m will enjoy his power trip love in, have heard if anyone doesnt attend there will be consequences ,just like to know what ,there isnt much more he could take away
guess m will enjoy his power trip love in, have heard if anyone doesnt attend there will be consequences ,just like to know what ,there isnt much more he could take away
Last edited by chemical alli; 27th Nov 2007 at 02:35.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: sydney
Posts: 255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why attend, do you want to help this clown?
People should show their disgust by not attending and showing continued support for this moron. After all if he has no support he has no mandate. What can he do to them then? He has put all our jobs at risk and has no integrity or ethics. He has lied and run the business into the ground.
The problem being a large proportion of those invited are that spineless and will continue to try hang on in hope their somewhat questionable rises to the top under M will continue as their credibility would be worthless under any other.
When the flush comes, I hope all those who have shown their colours and endorsement of this regime will be removed along with him.
Only then will Engineering have any chance of becoming a real MRO.
Long live the revolution.
"You can't solve Problems using the Same Thinking that Created Them" (Albert Einstein).
The problem being a large proportion of those invited are that spineless and will continue to try hang on in hope their somewhat questionable rises to the top under M will continue as their credibility would be worthless under any other.
When the flush comes, I hope all those who have shown their colours and endorsement of this regime will be removed along with him.
Only then will Engineering have any chance of becoming a real MRO.
Long live the revolution.
"You can't solve Problems using the Same Thinking that Created Them" (Albert Einstein).
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Qantas faces New Year strike
By Steve Creedy, Aviation writer November 28, 2007 05:27am
Email article
QANTAS planes could be grounded by industrial action in the new year unless the airline increases a 3 per cent pay offer to its engineers.
The airline warned passengers it would make every effort to minimise disruption to its services after the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association applied to the Industrial Relations Commission to conduct a ballot of members as a prelude to industrial action.
Engineers are key to the airline's operations because they must approve aircraft to fly.
"Three per cent just isn't quite good enough when the Australian average wage has been increasing by 4.6 per cent per year on average for the last five or 10 years," ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said yesterday. "So we're looking at an industrial action ballot that will finish on December 22."
Mr Purvinas said the action would include overtime bans, bans on higher duties and stopwork meetings but he said the union was not looking at disruptions over Christmas.
"I think we've got 60 days to actually take the action, so we'll give Qantas some time to negotiate, but we'll expect them to actually come out with a bit more of a reasonable offer than what they gave us a week or so ago."
Qantas executive general manager Kevin Brown said it was extraordinary that the union had chosen to ballot members to take industrial action the day before the parties were meeting to talk about negotiations.
"We will take every measure to put in place contingencies to ensure the smooth operation of the airline and protect our customers," he said.
The new industrial threat emerged as Qantas struck a landmark deal with its flight attendants that will allow it to use a recently established subsidiary to employ long-haul cabin crew on lower rates and longer hours.
The airline says the new enterprise agreement would lead to the creation of more than 2000 full-time cabin crew jobs in Australia over three years and allow it to better compete with overseas carriers such as Emirates.
The alternative was a massive ramping up of the airline's overseas bases with an increasing proportion of flight attendants employed offshore.
Under the agreement with the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, existing flight attendants will remain employed by Qantas Airways on current rates and conditions.
But new staff would be employed by Qantas Cabin Crew Australia on lower rates similar to those paid by Jetstar International. The deal will see them working about 25 to 35 per cent more hours than existing staff. Qantas has also pledged that the current 75-25 mix of Australian and offshore crew would remain.
The union and the airline yesterday described the agreement as a win. The union said it provided for a 3 per cent annual pay rise, a $3000 "sign on" bonus for its 3000 existing flight attendants and improved superannuation arrangements that allow salary sacrifice.
FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov said QCCA would employ staff on Jetstar International rates and hours but they would get better conditions in terms of annual, long-service and sick leave as well as overtime provisions.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the agreement was positive for all concerned and opened up a range of options for current crew.
By Steve Creedy, Aviation writer November 28, 2007 05:27am
Email article
QANTAS planes could be grounded by industrial action in the new year unless the airline increases a 3 per cent pay offer to its engineers.
The airline warned passengers it would make every effort to minimise disruption to its services after the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association applied to the Industrial Relations Commission to conduct a ballot of members as a prelude to industrial action.
Engineers are key to the airline's operations because they must approve aircraft to fly.
"Three per cent just isn't quite good enough when the Australian average wage has been increasing by 4.6 per cent per year on average for the last five or 10 years," ALAEA federal secretary Steve Purvinas said yesterday. "So we're looking at an industrial action ballot that will finish on December 22."
Mr Purvinas said the action would include overtime bans, bans on higher duties and stopwork meetings but he said the union was not looking at disruptions over Christmas.
"I think we've got 60 days to actually take the action, so we'll give Qantas some time to negotiate, but we'll expect them to actually come out with a bit more of a reasonable offer than what they gave us a week or so ago."
Qantas executive general manager Kevin Brown said it was extraordinary that the union had chosen to ballot members to take industrial action the day before the parties were meeting to talk about negotiations.
"We will take every measure to put in place contingencies to ensure the smooth operation of the airline and protect our customers," he said.
The new industrial threat emerged as Qantas struck a landmark deal with its flight attendants that will allow it to use a recently established subsidiary to employ long-haul cabin crew on lower rates and longer hours.
The airline says the new enterprise agreement would lead to the creation of more than 2000 full-time cabin crew jobs in Australia over three years and allow it to better compete with overseas carriers such as Emirates.
The alternative was a massive ramping up of the airline's overseas bases with an increasing proportion of flight attendants employed offshore.
Under the agreement with the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, existing flight attendants will remain employed by Qantas Airways on current rates and conditions.
But new staff would be employed by Qantas Cabin Crew Australia on lower rates similar to those paid by Jetstar International. The deal will see them working about 25 to 35 per cent more hours than existing staff. Qantas has also pledged that the current 75-25 mix of Australian and offshore crew would remain.
The union and the airline yesterday described the agreement as a win. The union said it provided for a 3 per cent annual pay rise, a $3000 "sign on" bonus for its 3000 existing flight attendants and improved superannuation arrangements that allow salary sacrifice.
FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov said QCCA would employ staff on Jetstar International rates and hours but they would get better conditions in terms of annual, long-service and sick leave as well as overtime provisions.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the agreement was positive for all concerned and opened up a range of options for current crew.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bexley
Posts: 1,792
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just a note for all.
The ALAEA today were successfully granted permission from the AIRC to conduct a ballot of members for protected Industrial Action. Roll of voters closes on 4th Dec. Ballot open from 10th and closes 20th Dec.
A successful vote could lead to action including -
stop work meetings
overtime bans/limitations
secondment bans
and
Higher duties bans
The ALAEA today were successfully granted permission from the AIRC to conduct a ballot of members for protected Industrial Action. Roll of voters closes on 4th Dec. Ballot open from 10th and closes 20th Dec.
A successful vote could lead to action including -
stop work meetings
overtime bans/limitations
secondment bans
and
Higher duties bans