Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No mate, that's not what I said.
You have gotta stop believing what lowerlobe writes.
Heres the actual post.
I made no mention about what is more important, I was trying to highlight what brought us all to flying in the first place.
You have gotta stop believing what lowerlobe writes.
Heres the actual post.
I made no mention about what is more important, I was trying to highlight what brought us all to flying in the first place.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: syd/aust
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
what part of twigssys comments are wrong.......again the figures 3400 odd f/as times 30000 cost savings is ??????? factor in 20% productivity factor in 20 to 30% expansion and you have ABOUT 1 BILLION DOLLARS MIN.on a 5 year plan minimum not even no sick leave etc......factored in and i am on your side again ONE UNION/ MAM are your friends or you make them your down fall cheers gigs
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Heaven
Posts: 584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pie In The Sky Figures
Gigs there has been a lot of rubbish posted in these forums over the years.
Your last post has taken first prize as the greatest load of dross ever entered in these hallowed cyber halls.
Where do you conjure those figures up from?
The number of LH CC is now less than 3000.
The average LH CC base wage is less than 50k pa
Productivity increases where from and who from?
Expansion of that magnitude will be Group wide not from mainline.
Do some research before you put up such tripe for public consumption
For God Sake do something about your sentence construction
Your last post has taken first prize as the greatest load of dross ever entered in these hallowed cyber halls.
Where do you conjure those figures up from?
The number of LH CC is now less than 3000.
The average LH CC base wage is less than 50k pa
Productivity increases where from and who from?
Expansion of that magnitude will be Group wide not from mainline.
Do some research before you put up such tripe for public consumption
For God Sake do something about your sentence construction
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Heaven
Posts: 584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Twiggs and Comedy
You are,if nothing else entertaining.
You dont even understand the intent of your own posts.
Deductive reasoning suggests that if the job aint about money its about destinations then destinations are therefore more important than money.
If that is not what you meant,then review your thought process before your fingers touch the keyboard.
You are coming across as a complete fool.
You dont even understand the intent of your own posts.
Deductive reasoning suggests that if the job aint about money its about destinations then destinations are therefore more important than money.
If that is not what you meant,then review your thought process before your fingers touch the keyboard.
You are coming across as a complete fool.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: syd/aust
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
utter bs what rock have you been under.......why do you think casual employees are here????? good luck dream boy for you and your familly. keep posting bs and i guess it will at least make some feal great for the short term! happy flying for now ps same crap we hear from you last time about cap on os bases..... my tip stick to tea n coffee n if mam scab on you dont complain you had your info number 2.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Heaven
Posts: 584
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
More of the Same
Facts ,we need facts.
Not empty rhetoric and supposition.
Casuals are here for two reasons...
1.To cover the peaks and troughs of the dynamic industry we are in.
2.QF management are not clever enough to grow revenue.They therefore choose to cut costs to increase profit.
Read the current payscales offered by the company before you start being critical.
Lets see you quote them from a reliable source.
Not from thin air where you seem to derive most of your (dis)information.
Do you really work in this industry?
Not empty rhetoric and supposition.
Casuals are here for two reasons...
1.To cover the peaks and troughs of the dynamic industry we are in.
2.QF management are not clever enough to grow revenue.They therefore choose to cut costs to increase profit.
Read the current payscales offered by the company before you start being critical.
Lets see you quote them from a reliable source.
Not from thin air where you seem to derive most of your (dis)information.
Do you really work in this industry?
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: syd/aust
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
if the average l/haul fa has a base below 50k then if you want to talk smoke n mirrors we can go there all day coffee guy.......the figures twiggs says love her or hate her are for what an employer has to pay out are for the purpose of debate at minimum correct. fact...sorry.....what your wants are compared to mine seem to be at a loss to me given the fact that i desire fair play and equal rights for all in the industry i work in.......what your needs are compared to mine are of course a good income.....my debate if you care to read it shows the lower end of the scale starts at zero compared to big money and to that end its obvious that to help the bottom shall help any fall you may experience, agro and incorrect negative info as in the faaa tread contributed by you helps nobody but your ego mr work friend....my figures you should know are in the range of projected figures... please now go on and type what ever nonsense you may ive said what i wanted to say to continue in this debate with you would be as infantile as my typing style smarty panties! cheers gigs
Registered User **
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's no wonder that the company get's away with everything they do.We have a post from someone who continually tries to distance herself from her own posts by
Refuting her own posts.
Telling us she was being sarcastic.
Telling us that she is being taken out of context.
She had her fingers crossed behind her back so whatever she said is not binding.
Now she's telling us she never said that the money is not as important as destinations and is stupid enough to even re-post her original comments.
Her latest whopper in a long line of whoppers is that we will/should have to take a 30% pay cut.
As DEFCON4 said she is entertaining but after this statement
I understand why Lowerobe thinks she is in the office.We are coming up to our latest EBA negotiations and we have a supposed crew member telling us to take a 30% pay cut.
Does anyone know someone in their line of work that suggests that they should take a 30% pay cut.
Our job is more than just slipping in some port it is about being able to pay our bills and put food on the table.I notice that Twiggs/the company like nothing more than to tell people in a public forum that we earn huge amounts of money.To anyone reading this that is not crew this is a load of manure.If crew could bring home 90K no one would ever leave.
The company as usual still tries to put out this absolute rubbish in order to reduce our pay and conditions.
Refuting her own posts.
Telling us she was being sarcastic.
Telling us that she is being taken out of context.
She had her fingers crossed behind her back so whatever she said is not binding.
Now she's telling us she never said that the money is not as important as destinations and is stupid enough to even re-post her original comments.
Her latest whopper in a long line of whoppers is that we will/should have to take a 30% pay cut.
As DEFCON4 said she is entertaining but after this statement
Well the people who are used to living on 90K will have to find out how the ones on 60K get by.
Does anyone know someone in their line of work that suggests that they should take a 30% pay cut.
Our job is more than just slipping in some port it is about being able to pay our bills and put food on the table.I notice that Twiggs/the company like nothing more than to tell people in a public forum that we earn huge amounts of money.To anyone reading this that is not crew this is a load of manure.If crew could bring home 90K no one would ever leave.
The company as usual still tries to put out this absolute rubbish in order to reduce our pay and conditions.
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have not said we should take a 30% pay cut.
60k-90k is the approximate range of what long haul crew earn now- the lower end being the juniors who can't get the money trips.
This is a problem for us because there are people doing the same hours earning 60k as others earning 90K.
T-Bar get original mate, re-hashing lowerlobes comments shows how pathetic you really are.
Defcon, deductive reasoning? You are a bigger fool than anyone here.
60k-90k is the approximate range of what long haul crew earn now- the lower end being the juniors who can't get the money trips.
This is a problem for us because there are people doing the same hours earning 60k as others earning 90K.
T-Bar get original mate, re-hashing lowerlobes comments shows how pathetic you really are.
Defcon, deductive reasoning? You are a bigger fool than anyone here.
Registered User **
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let's just ignore the company's pathetic attempts to put their spin on our pay and conditions with these absurd claims.I am fairly senior and if I could make 90K a year I would be rapt and so would my family.What planet are you from Twigs,is there nothing you people in the office will not lie about.
If you read into this insane womans latest post you can see what the company is trying to do.This time it is the rostering and seniority system.
It never ceases to amaze me what absolute rubbish the company will come up with.
First it is the destinations that are more important than money.Tell that to my family that they have to eat sausages and mince because I am able to fly to LAX.As I said she was stupid enough to even reprint her own original post.
They are also telling us that the new rostering system will be more user friendly than the current one.Yep,I'm going to believe that after working for them for this long.
They told us and the Industrial commission the current system was the best in the world and thats why they wanted and needed it.Now they are telling us it is basically flawed and doesn't work and needs to be replaced.
You cannot trust or believe anything these clowns tell us.The industrial commission must groan with pain everytime they hear that the next case involves our company
Our job is more than flying to and from a slip port it's about living and being able to do the things that normal people do.That means having SOME money in the bank and enjoying life with your family and friends not living in an aluminium or carbon fibre tube and walking around somewhere because the company thinks that shopping in LA or London is the most important thing in life.
Twigs you are not my mate and never will be and calling someone mate does not make you sound like a guy.it's nearly 8.30 am and I'm sure you have a meeting with LG or some clause 11's to give out.
If you read into this insane womans latest post you can see what the company is trying to do.This time it is the rostering and seniority system.
It never ceases to amaze me what absolute rubbish the company will come up with.
First it is the destinations that are more important than money.Tell that to my family that they have to eat sausages and mince because I am able to fly to LAX.As I said she was stupid enough to even reprint her own original post.
They are also telling us that the new rostering system will be more user friendly than the current one.Yep,I'm going to believe that after working for them for this long.
They told us and the Industrial commission the current system was the best in the world and thats why they wanted and needed it.Now they are telling us it is basically flawed and doesn't work and needs to be replaced.
You cannot trust or believe anything these clowns tell us.The industrial commission must groan with pain everytime they hear that the next case involves our company
Our job is more than flying to and from a slip port it's about living and being able to do the things that normal people do.That means having SOME money in the bank and enjoying life with your family and friends not living in an aluminium or carbon fibre tube and walking around somewhere because the company thinks that shopping in LA or London is the most important thing in life.
Twigs you are not my mate and never will be and calling someone mate does not make you sound like a guy.it's nearly 8.30 am and I'm sure you have a meeting with LG or some clause 11's to give out.
Registered User **
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 621
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting reading from the QFUK thread
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...17#post3589117
Read the post about the interview process in LHR.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...17#post3589117
Read the post about the interview process in LHR.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Dununda
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Twiggs and Gigs....Related?
Could you two provide evidence to back up your assertions?
You both seem to make up disinformation as you go along.
Go along to an FAAA meeting and get the real truth.
Then you can come back here and join the debate with some relevant facts.
Gigs,sorry but you appear to be barely literate.
Do you work in the aviation industry?
You havent answered that question yet.
If you do...what do you do?
You both seem to make up disinformation as you go along.
Go along to an FAAA meeting and get the real truth.
Then you can come back here and join the debate with some relevant facts.
Gigs,sorry but you appear to be barely literate.
Do you work in the aviation industry?
You havent answered that question yet.
If you do...what do you do?
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: syd/aust
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
no sir we are not related......try reading my "illiterate" posts, i work in planes as you do big fella for,a lot less bucks! thats why if you take n read what i write n look at v big picture you may get my message i am your friend not enemy.....pls spare me crap on v engrish lessons or any call button or capt cynical bs as posted on heated posts here before......end of transmission.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Dununda
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gigs Answer = No Answer
You work in planes?
So you could be an engineer,aircraft caterer,aircraft cleaner or ground staff.
You work for a lot less bucks...a lot less than who?
Give us clear precise facts or change your name to the "riddler"
So you could be an engineer,aircraft caterer,aircraft cleaner or ground staff.
You work for a lot less bucks...a lot less than who?
Give us clear precise facts or change your name to the "riddler"
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: With Ratty and Mole
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Twiggs and Wages...Wrong Again !
My wife is part time B First and she does not earn any more than 30k pa.
I am full time and I earn a lot less 60k .
You are talking through your sphincter as usual.
You talk about same hours but less pay.
That means an individual has chosen to do shorter higher hour trips in order to spend more time at home with their family.
Allowances are not part of your wage(as you say ad nauseam)so dont calculate them as part of FA remuneration for the purposes of debate.
I am full time and I earn a lot less 60k .
You are talking through your sphincter as usual.
You talk about same hours but less pay.
That means an individual has chosen to do shorter higher hour trips in order to spend more time at home with their family.
Allowances are not part of your wage(as you say ad nauseam)so dont calculate them as part of FA remuneration for the purposes of debate.
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: syd/aust
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
pay means to me what an employer pays ie. base plus plus plus do you really want me to tell the public the full facts? get a grip!.......im trying to tell you guys the way qf mgr think and what they will do.........what i want you guys to do is lobby for s/haul to go to l/haul one union....dig! me on your side of the sand box......end of trying to debate with people who only earn 30k a year and fly with who? tigar j/star mam bnk base?
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 705
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The 90K figure is from the mouth of a current union rep.
It's the top of the scale, yes includes allowances, but that's how it was said to me.
So your 60K becomes 75K+ with allowances so you are in the middle.
I don't like including allowances in wage calculation but this is how it is done these days.
It's the top of the scale, yes includes allowances, but that's how it was said to me.
So your 60K becomes 75K+ with allowances so you are in the middle.
I don't like including allowances in wage calculation but this is how it is done these days.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Dununda
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Twiggs the Hypocrite
Depending on how you feel and the point you want to make allowances are either included or not.
Superannuable wage for a bluecoat is around 45K,for a CSS its 51k and for a CSM its around 60k.
The most a bluecoat can earn doing 6 direct LAX per BP is 93k.
Others can earn more by doing extra work and falling prey to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
So which is it Twiggs?
Make up your mind and stick with those figures
PM me the reps name and the context of the conversation please
Superannuable wage for a bluecoat is around 45K,for a CSS its 51k and for a CSM its around 60k.
The most a bluecoat can earn doing 6 direct LAX per BP is 93k.
Others can earn more by doing extra work and falling prey to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
So which is it Twiggs?
Make up your mind and stick with those figures
PM me the reps name and the context of the conversation please