Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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“we believe the overall package is comparable to other industries with similar skill sets such as cafes and restaurants”.
...and pilots have similar skill sets to bus drivers?
...and pilots have similar skill sets to bus drivers?
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Rhetoric
All this nonsense is just mindless posturing on the part of management.
Dixon for example has the skill set of someone sharpening pencils for the NRMA.
Joyce is a poster boy for those who failed the entrance exam for the boy scouts.
Anger management classes are recommended for both.
Makes you wonder what sort of childhood these two had.
Dixon for example has the skill set of someone sharpening pencils for the NRMA.
Joyce is a poster boy for those who failed the entrance exam for the boy scouts.
Anger management classes are recommended for both.
Makes you wonder what sort of childhood these two had.
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take a look at the Tiger Airways Melbourne thread in the Cabin Crew forums
Reminds me of watching an episode of Romper Room
I also read the Tiger thread and romper room is an apt description
Please put us out of our misery; listening to all this is a form of cruel and unusual punishment even Gitmo wouldn't be allowed to use, just for the sake of three or four individuals...
What did you do to get yourselves kicked out of there??? Just say you're sorry and you'll play nice.
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I've had a look at your previous posts scotty doo doo and seems you have some sort of obsession with FA's
How on earth would you occupy your miserable little life if we weren't here?
You'd have nothing to bleat about.
Speaking of "lives"
Ever thought of getting one?????
How on earth would you occupy your miserable little life if we weren't here?
You'd have nothing to bleat about.
Speaking of "lives"
Ever thought of getting one?????
ScottyDoo
For an idea of what might have got them kicked out, have a look at the nonsense going on in this thread on page 19 (yes 19 pages of the rubbish)!!!
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...275158&page=19
TL
What did you do to get yourselves kicked out of there???
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...275158&page=19
TL
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Company Posturing
The Company wants to play hard ball.....or at least give that impression.
Who will fly the A380?
Will there be a "B" Pay Scale?
Will the bid system be tampered with?
Fatigue legislation will play a big part in the determination of patterns and the maintenance of the slip formula.
OH ans S might actually grow some teeth.
Somewhere in the foreseesable future there wont be divisions....just one big happy family.
A good outcome for everyone with access to both short and long trips for all crew.
It would also get rid of /minimize low lines.
But most of all it would get rid of the destructive bitching.
Essentially every thing is still up for grabs...it depends upon the skill and determination of our negotiators.
I have faith in MM and SR.
They wont get done over like their predecessors.."The Three Blind Mice"
Who will fly the A380?
Will there be a "B" Pay Scale?
Will the bid system be tampered with?
Fatigue legislation will play a big part in the determination of patterns and the maintenance of the slip formula.
OH ans S might actually grow some teeth.
Somewhere in the foreseesable future there wont be divisions....just one big happy family.
A good outcome for everyone with access to both short and long trips for all crew.
It would also get rid of /minimize low lines.
But most of all it would get rid of the destructive bitching.
Essentially every thing is still up for grabs...it depends upon the skill and determination of our negotiators.
I have faith in MM and SR.
They wont get done over like their predecessors.."The Three Blind Mice"
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A380 Flying
Seems no one in Long Haul wants it and Shorthaul are worried they might end up with it.
4 classes and 22 crew...no thanks Lesley
500 Pax...not Cabin Crew but Crowd Control
4 classes and 22 crew...no thanks Lesley
500 Pax...not Cabin Crew but Crowd Control
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The A380.........anyone want to work on it???
I don't know anyone who will be putting up their hand to be part of the "elite fleet".
Leave it to the "ideologically sound" [but operationally crippled] "yes" boys and girls I say.
For the first five years they'll be going only to LAX and LHR.
Seems like a much better idea to me to get a look at Dubai and Santiago towards the end of next year on the 744.
Leave it to the "ideologically sound" [but operationally crippled] "yes" boys and girls I say.
For the first five years they'll be going only to LAX and LHR.
Seems like a much better idea to me to get a look at Dubai and Santiago towards the end of next year on the 744.
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If it ends up being dedicated crew for the A380, the decision whether to apply for it for me will be where it goes.
Speedbird is right to say it's destinations will be limited, especially at the beginning.
People who prefer LAX trips may have no choice but to apply for the A380, if that aircraft ends up being the dominant one on that route.
I think most crew don't care what equipment they are on (providing there is horoizontal crew rest), as long as they go where they want to, and all the teething problems should be sorted by the time we have a few A380's in the fleet.
Let the first round of keen applicants sort out the problems and then when the fleet expands, it will just be another aircraft.
Speedbird is right to say it's destinations will be limited, especially at the beginning.
People who prefer LAX trips may have no choice but to apply for the A380, if that aircraft ends up being the dominant one on that route.
I think most crew don't care what equipment they are on (providing there is horoizontal crew rest), as long as they go where they want to, and all the teething problems should be sorted by the time we have a few A380's in the fleet.
Let the first round of keen applicants sort out the problems and then when the fleet expands, it will just be another aircraft.
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i agree
with most of the comments here. its going to be interesting what they will do with the A380. i cant see any reason to work for any less on it. i actually want to see a major increase in wages operating this aircraft (evantually).i believe LG just joined the million $ annual pay club. 
and here they want us to cut back
and here they want us to cut back
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There are always some people who want to have the first model of a new car ,i-pod or new mobile phone.In the same way there will be crew who will want to work on the new aircraft.There are crew who love to be seen in the office hanging around or should I say sniffing around hoping that they will get the nod if there is a dedicated crew for the 380.
Some might say that it's the destinations that are important and not the money.
This is missing the point especially with the new EBA.There are 2 points that need to be looked at.These are how many crew the company will want to operate the 380 with and how much our pay is.The new EBA is crucial especially if they want us to work more hours for less pay.
It doesn't matter if you are flying to London,Los Angeles or Launceston.You have to have enough money to live on.I know crew with J* and they almost have to have a second job or a well paying partner.Then there is the crew complement and if there are not enough crew to do the job then crew will give the 380 a big miss.
Destinations are OK while you are in a slip port but the reality is that you still have to pay a mortgage and other bills.The company as usual will be putting more spin on this than politicians during the Federal election.Real crew need more than a slip port.
Some might say that it's the destinations that are important and not the money.
I think most crew don't care what equipment they are on (providing there is horoizontal crew rest), as long as they go where they want to, and all the teething problems should be sorted by the time we have a few A380's in the fleet.
It doesn't matter if you are flying to London,Los Angeles or Launceston.You have to have enough money to live on.I know crew with J* and they almost have to have a second job or a well paying partner.Then there is the crew complement and if there are not enough crew to do the job then crew will give the 380 a big miss.
Destinations are OK while you are in a slip port but the reality is that you still have to pay a mortgage and other bills.The company as usual will be putting more spin on this than politicians during the Federal election.Real crew need more than a slip port.
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Amen Bro
Its about terms and conditions not bloody destinations or Aircraft.
The A380 goes to Lax.
Big deal.Fly to SFO.
The 400s still have a lot of cycles left.I will stick with them.
I dont care who flies the A380 as long as it is not down to secondment.
The A380 goes to Lax.
Big deal.Fly to SFO.
The 400s still have a lot of cycles left.I will stick with them.
I dont care who flies the A380 as long as it is not down to secondment.
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ill say it again boys n girls mam casuals will work standby for nics ie.... in certain situations fixed lock in standby for free for 30% less on average of the start wage for s/haul f/as full time year one!(operating) no sick leave no holiday pay as wel and a lot of these kids by sense of comparison to their last job think its a great deal! think about your eba stuff think about who qantas will use? whos union is on whos side? newish kids experienced some what in flying presentable, young, and as aforementioned very very willing......add in a few of the office type badge excel super folk and you have a very very cheap crew.......ONE UNION IS THE ANSWER MM and SR. the long haul faaa good luck guys dickow grins very sly n cute as he will present these new stars with the big flag ship of the fleet!! dont be like scott on the funny movie (yah just dont git it do yah scott!) pls try to git it and help each division of qantas for all f/as cheers gigs
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[QUOTE]It's the destinations that are important and it aint the money[/
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That is unless of course you are in management and in that case a pay cut is out of the question but Twiggsy is here to see if we will swallow that line.
Well thanks to the company rep here is what she actually said.
let's look at what she said
So she say's that we've lost sight of what the job is about and that the money is not what this job is about.
Then she say's this job is about the destinations
Twiggs is that what you said or NOT.
Maybe English is not your first or native language or as DEFCON said you are just a fool but to everyone else here you do not make any sense at all.
QUOTE]
That is unless of course you are in management and in that case a pay cut is out of the question but Twiggsy is here to see if we will swallow that line.
Well thanks to the company rep here is what she actually said.
Originally Posted by twiggs
I think everyone has lost sight of what this job is about, and it aint money.
It's about the destinations.
I think everyone has lost sight of what this job is about, and it aint money.
It's about the destinations.
So she say's that we've lost sight of what the job is about and that the money is not what this job is about.
Then she say's this job is about the destinations
Twiggs is that what you said or NOT.
Maybe English is not your first or native language or as DEFCON said you are just a fool but to everyone else here you do not make any sense at all.
Last edited by RedTBar; 20th Sep 2007 at 00:05.