Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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This is my first ever post, after reading the forums on and off for the last few years.
I just read the Principle agreement for EBA 8 and I realise that it still needs to be ratified by the membership, I couldn't believe it, WELL DONE to Mijatov, Reed and the team.
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One concern is allowing FA/BFA to apply for CSM after only 4 years service, by-passing the CSS role. I think this is a mistake, as the CSS position should be viewed as adding valuable experience to becoming a CSM. Treat it like an apprenticeship, for example you wouldn't want a young second officer promoted directly to Captain, by-passing the F/O's position completely.
I appreciate the fact that there are very capable individuals out there who with the right training could do the job and it does allow the company a larger pool to source managers from, but I thought experience counted for something.
How about at least 2 years as a CSS? Otherwise it really degrades the whole position of CSS.
I just read the Principle agreement for EBA 8 and I realise that it still needs to be ratified by the membership, I couldn't believe it, WELL DONE to Mijatov, Reed and the team.
.One concern is allowing FA/BFA to apply for CSM after only 4 years service, by-passing the CSS role. I think this is a mistake, as the CSS position should be viewed as adding valuable experience to becoming a CSM. Treat it like an apprenticeship, for example you wouldn't want a young second officer promoted directly to Captain, by-passing the F/O's position completely.
I appreciate the fact that there are very capable individuals out there who with the right training could do the job and it does allow the company a larger pool to source managers from, but I thought experience counted for something.
How about at least 2 years as a CSS? Otherwise it really degrades the whole position of CSS.
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This is a fantastic result for long haul crew, maybe the tables have turned and once again the long haul division will be a strong collective division.
The QF Cabin crew website states all new hire crew will be employed by a new subsidiary QF Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd. In regard to the 787 and A380 it states that long haul will have access to this aircraft.
I wonder how this will effect short haul crew wanting to transfer to long haul does the existing crew clause only apply to existing long haul crew in terms of hours, pay, bidding etc? And before we bring up the bands issue for long to short transfers that is something I personally found just wrong and unfair.
The QF Cabin crew website states all new hire crew will be employed by a new subsidiary QF Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd. In regard to the 787 and A380 it states that long haul will have access to this aircraft.
I wonder how this will effect short haul crew wanting to transfer to long haul does the existing crew clause only apply to existing long haul crew in terms of hours, pay, bidding etc? And before we bring up the bands issue for long to short transfers that is something I personally found just wrong and unfair.
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Qantas strikes deal with FAAA
Tuesday Nov 27 12:42 AEDT
Qantas Airways Ltd has struck an in-principle deal for a new five-year enterprise bargaining agreement (EBA) with the peak flight attendants' body, which it says will create more than 2,000 full-time cabin crew jobs in Australia.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the new EBA would help Qantas to stay competitive in the highly competitive international aviation sector.
"This is essential to Qantas' continued growth, and builds on our track record of having created 5,000 new jobs since 2001," Mr Dixon said.
"This new EBA provides stability and certainty for Qantas for its long-haul cabin crew for the next five years."
Mr Dixon said Qantas had established a new subsidiary, Qantas Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd (QCCA), which will begin hiring cabin crew in early 2008.
"All new crew will be hired by QCCA, which will deliver future jobs growth as well as supporting dedicated crewing for our new A380 fleet," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas will maintain its current balance of offshore and onshore crew, with offshore crewing levels remaining at 25 per cent.
"The agreement is a positive outcome for all concerned. It opens up a range of options for current crew. There will be an immediate and significant increase in the number of promotions available, as well as ready access to part-time work for current crew who seek that option."
Mr Dixon said the agreement provided for a three per cent per annum pay increase, a sign-on bonus and improved superannuation arrangements for international cabin crew.
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Qantas strikes deal with FAAA
Tuesday Nov 27 12:42 AEDT
Qantas Airways Ltd has struck an in-principle deal for a new five-year enterprise bargaining agreement (EBA) with the peak flight attendants' body, which it says will create more than 2,000 full-time cabin crew jobs in Australia.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the new EBA would help Qantas to stay competitive in the highly competitive international aviation sector.
"This is essential to Qantas' continued growth, and builds on our track record of having created 5,000 new jobs since 2001," Mr Dixon said.
"This new EBA provides stability and certainty for Qantas for its long-haul cabin crew for the next five years."
Mr Dixon said Qantas had established a new subsidiary, Qantas Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd (QCCA), which will begin hiring cabin crew in early 2008.
"All new crew will be hired by QCCA, which will deliver future jobs growth as well as supporting dedicated crewing for our new A380 fleet," he said.
Mr Dixon said Qantas will maintain its current balance of offshore and onshore crew, with offshore crewing levels remaining at 25 per cent.
"The agreement is a positive outcome for all concerned. It opens up a range of options for current crew. There will be an immediate and significant increase in the number of promotions available, as well as ready access to part-time work for current crew who seek that option."
Mr Dixon said the agreement provided for a three per cent per annum pay increase, a sign-on bonus and improved superannuation arrangements for international cabin crew.
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Qantas FA Union: Are they mad?
New QF FA's will have to work more than 30 per cent greater hours than current Qantas long-haul crews for around 25 per cent less money after a deal between the FA Union and Qantas. This is around half the pay on an hourly basis.
What the hell was the Union thinking?
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon has lauded the deal as "a positive outcome for all concerned". "This agreement will help provide the level of competitiveness Qantas must have in the highly competitive international aviation industry," said Mr Dixon in a statement.
What a load of bollocks. The world's largest and most profitable Airline (Air France/KLM) have a WAY WAY higher cost-base than QF. You don't have to savage everything to run a profitable airline.
Seems that Dixon is simply addicted to the 'cut at all costs' mentality (for everything except his own pay, where he received a 47% payrise last year alone).
Perhaps I'm misinformed but the fact that the FA Union played along with this is truly appalling.
What the hell was the Union thinking?
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon has lauded the deal as "a positive outcome for all concerned". "This agreement will help provide the level of competitiveness Qantas must have in the highly competitive international aviation industry," said Mr Dixon in a statement.
What a load of bollocks. The world's largest and most profitable Airline (Air France/KLM) have a WAY WAY higher cost-base than QF. You don't have to savage everything to run a profitable airline.
Seems that Dixon is simply addicted to the 'cut at all costs' mentality (for everything except his own pay, where he received a 47% payrise last year alone).
Perhaps I'm misinformed but the fact that the FA Union played along with this is truly appalling.
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The new start flight attendants will enjoy conditions considerably better than Jetstar International. 6 weeks annual leave, 15 days sick leave, Qantas staff travel and overtime and our meal allowances..
Its a significant improvement on current jetstar and creates job security for us
Its a significant improvement on current jetstar and creates job security for us
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Firstly, there is already a thread on this topic.
Secondly, I think the last 8 years has shown that if the FAAA didn't agree to this the consequences would more like have been dire. Expansion to overseas bases and more flying coming to shorthaul.
Personally, I'm rather impressed at the outcome so far.
Well done MM, SR and team.
Secondly, I think the last 8 years has shown that if the FAAA didn't agree to this the consequences would more like have been dire. Expansion to overseas bases and more flying coming to shorthaul.
Personally, I'm rather impressed at the outcome so far.
Well done MM, SR and team.
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new crew can be planned to a max of 240 hours and will average 220.
This is inline with Short haul crew and the current overseas based crew
18 days off per month at home and access to overtime and full time jobs in australia
This is inline with Short haul crew and the current overseas based crew
18 days off per month at home and access to overtime and full time jobs in australia
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Al E. Vator ....
Samford is right in that Darth and other airlines have people falling over themselves to apply for J*.VB and now Tiger.
The win for Rudd aside,the availability of crew willing to basically 'reverse' bid for work undermines your argument to maintain T & C's.
Correct me if I am wrong though but didn't the tech crew union agree to a 'B' scale for pilots transferring to S/H from L/H?
Samford is right in that Darth and other airlines have people falling over themselves to apply for J*.VB and now Tiger.
The win for Rudd aside,the availability of crew willing to basically 'reverse' bid for work undermines your argument to maintain T & C's.
Correct me if I am wrong though but didn't the tech crew union agree to a 'B' scale for pilots transferring to S/H from L/H?
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Thanks for that - I knew what you meant. ;-)
I know this will all come out at some stage, but I'm curious about divisional transfers. If all new crew are being employed by a subsidiary company, does this mean no transfer lists need to be actioned?
I know this will all come out at some stage, but I'm curious about divisional transfers. If all new crew are being employed by a subsidiary company, does this mean no transfer lists need to be actioned?
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On first inspection it looks as though congratulations are in order for the FAAA.
It certainly appears as though you guys have managed to pull a rabbit out of the proverbial.
Is it correct that the A380 will have a dedicated crew and that if current L/H crew want to transfer they will keep their current pay and conditions?
.....Just curious, is this for L/H or any recruitment for QF cabin crew within Australia?
If this includes S/H,is MAM no longer involved?
It certainly appears as though you guys have managed to pull a rabbit out of the proverbial.
Is it correct that the A380 will have a dedicated crew and that if current L/H crew want to transfer they will keep their current pay and conditions?
All new crew will be hired by QCCA
If this includes S/H,is MAM no longer involved?
Ah!
Good to see more divisive QF policy with this time the FAAA stamp of approval!
But hang on.....
To quote MM,
Afterall they are obviously being looked after!
Good to see more divisive QF policy with this time the FAAA stamp of approval!
But hang on.....
To quote MM,
The new lower paid crews are entitled to sign up as union members.
