Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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yes my sources tell me it was nasty.
his wife has been flown over, as he is in a bad state!
there were no managers at QCC as they all had to meet the aircraft as it got in from joburg.
his wife has been flown over, as he is in a bad state!
there were no managers at QCC as they all had to meet the aircraft as it got in from joburg.
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It is really not appropriate to be discussing this situation in an open public forum.
The person involved and his family are suffering enough.
This incident further highlights the necessity to remain diligent about your personal safety when in foreign ports.
This can happen to anyone...Lets leave it at that shall we?
If you want more information call the FAAA or talk to your manager.
The person involved and his family are suffering enough.
This incident further highlights the necessity to remain diligent about your personal safety when in foreign ports.
This can happen to anyone...Lets leave it at that shall we?
If you want more information call the FAAA or talk to your manager.
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Once again the cone of silence descends upon PPrune....
Defcon I find your post curious!
I don't think anyone was asking for names,dates/Hotel room number/Passport number or any other identifying information!
If someone was assaulted or involved in anything dangerous then I can't see any harm in letting others know of the danger in J/Burg without informing personal details.
Certainly nothing more and in fact considerably less than what you would probably read in the paper.
We don't need to know any facts just a generalisation of what happened.
In fact let's see if we can discuss this without any 'name calling' or derision.
Defcon I find your post curious!
I don't think anyone was asking for names,dates/Hotel room number/Passport number or any other identifying information!
If someone was assaulted or involved in anything dangerous then I can't see any harm in letting others know of the danger in J/Burg without informing personal details.
Certainly nothing more and in fact considerably less than what you would probably read in the paper.
We don't need to know any facts just a generalisation of what happened.
In fact let's see if we can discuss this without any 'name calling' or derision.
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Naysayer....... As Usual
You are a curious little person.. always adopting the opposing point of view.
This particular incident has, little, if any concern for you.
In this circumstance you are no better than the ghouls that congregate around an accident scene.
I doubt very much that you know this person or his family....when was the last time you went ot JoBurg on a regular basis?
Ring one of your mates in the office...I'm sure that they would only too happy to provide the information you desire.
If you were the victim would you want everyone to know every sad apalling detail ?.
Yes, indeed, a jerk has gone for the next seven days - and he/she got off lightly!
Next time - Adios!!!
Tail Wheel
This particular incident has, little, if any concern for you.
In this circumstance you are no better than the ghouls that congregate around an accident scene.
I doubt very much that you know this person or his family....when was the last time you went ot JoBurg on a regular basis?
Ring one of your mates in the office...I'm sure that they would only too happy to provide the information you desire.
If you were the victim would you want everyone to know every sad apalling detail ?.
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We just got rid of one jerk...you may be next.
FYI....JoBurg is a dangerous place...be careful where you socialize and dont socialize alone
FYI....JoBurg is a dangerous place...be careful where you socialize and dont socialize alone
Next time - Adios!!!
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anyone can be sent to jo'burg
recently a crew signing on to sfo were sent to jo'burg due 'operational requirements'.
what u r suggesting is not logical, we can learn from what happens to others and avoid having one of our own family members being flown out to be with us. it would be twice as stupid if someone else were to suffer from the same circumstances
anyone can be sent to jo'burg
recently a crew signing on to sfo were sent to jo'burg due 'operational requirements'.
what u r suggesting is not logical, we can learn from what happens to others and avoid having one of our own family members being flown out to be with us. it would be twice as stupid if someone else were to suffer from the same circumstances
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Remedial Reading
Read the last sentence of my previous post.
We all can get a little complacent with our environment when away.
Remain diligent when away... drink spiking is now network wide and does not affect women only...Buenos Aires was a perfect example and so too is Singapore..unfortunately.
No matter which way it is said or how man times it is said...BE CAREFUL.
Being careful and aware is the best and only prevention.
We all can get a little complacent with our environment when away.
Remain diligent when away... drink spiking is now network wide and does not affect women only...Buenos Aires was a perfect example and so too is Singapore..unfortunately.
No matter which way it is said or how man times it is said...BE CAREFUL.
Being careful and aware is the best and only prevention.
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"being carefull and aware is the best and only prevention"
i agree that being careful is helpfull but information helps awareness.
as far as "only prevention" don't go to jo'burg..... that is the only prevention
i agree that being careful is helpfull but information helps awareness.
as far as "only prevention" don't go to jo'burg..... that is the only prevention
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Information
The incident occurred in the hotel bar and the victim was removed from the hotel premises...seen by nobody.
It would appear that he was drugged by person or persons unknown.
He is currently in hospital in JoBurg..in a bad way.
If you need further information call your manager or the FAAA.
Treat this as a serious and at present a private matter.
Friends and family are already aware of the circumstances
The details do not need to be communicated to all and sundry.
I have said it twice...I will say it again...no matter where you are BE CAREFUL.
Be particularly careful about where you beverage is and who has access to it.
If it tastes a little peculiar tell someone you know and express your concern about your drink being spiked.Ask someone you know to monitor your behaviour.Contact your CSM or have someone do that for you.If it happens in a hotel ...inform the hotel manager immediately.A police report may be required.If you are able inform QF security and the Port Manager.Do this as soon as possible and while the details may still be fresh(obviously, all this is difficult if you have been drugged).
It would appear that he was drugged by person or persons unknown.
He is currently in hospital in JoBurg..in a bad way.
If you need further information call your manager or the FAAA.
Treat this as a serious and at present a private matter.
Friends and family are already aware of the circumstances
The details do not need to be communicated to all and sundry.
I have said it twice...I will say it again...no matter where you are BE CAREFUL.
Be particularly careful about where you beverage is and who has access to it.
If it tastes a little peculiar tell someone you know and express your concern about your drink being spiked.Ask someone you know to monitor your behaviour.Contact your CSM or have someone do that for you.If it happens in a hotel ...inform the hotel manager immediately.A police report may be required.If you are able inform QF security and the Port Manager.Do this as soon as possible and while the details may still be fresh(obviously, all this is difficult if you have been drugged).
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EBA expectations?
Wanting to swing the conversation back to relevance of the thread title I'd like to ask what do people realistically think the outcomes of the negotiations will be? In addition when can we expect a draft to be issued?
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Eba In Principle Agreement Posted
27 November 2007
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
HISTORIC EBA 8 IN - PRINCIPLE AGREEMENT REACHED
A FUTURE OF GROWTH AND JOB SECURITY
It is with the greatest pleasure that I announce on behalf of the FAAA negotiating team (Michael Mijatov, Steven Reed, Lee Lam and Michael Purvis) that an historic “In - Principle Agreement” has been reached with Qantas in relation to EBA 8. It is our belief that this agreement will be the cornerstone of unprecedented and unparalleled growth and job security for our members.
The headline features of the new agreement are as follows:-
BENEFITS
5 year agreement.
No Pay cut.
No Increase in hours for existing crew.
3% pay rise per year.
$3000 per person sign on bonus paid on certification.
Unprecedented growth for Long Haul.
Unprecedented job security.
75% of the current flexible flying pool (regional flying) will be flown by Long Haul Cabin Crew (currently 30%).
All new wide bodied aircraft flown internationally by Qantas will be flown by Long Haul crew ( e.g. B787-900).
Continued exclusive access to 7 flights per week to London.
Massive planned recruitment in Long Haul, (over 2000 new crew in the next two years).
550 new positions into Long Haul by June 2008 alone.
Extra crew member on aircraft with Premium Economy.
Massive promotions for existing crew to be announced shortly, (approximately 160 CSS positions and 80 CSM positions).
Securing jobs in Australia rather than overseas .
Qantas has committed to maintaining the current Cap on overseas bases despite the current industrial laws which have rendered the cap inoperative.
No promotions Overseas (except for London Base).
Seniority Preferential Bid System maintained for existing cabin crew.
Unblocking of the preferential bid system with massive increase of new work, with new cabin crew “sitting” underneath existing crew.
Reverse seniority provision applies if compulsory redundancy was to ever occur, included in the new EBA without any qualification, thereby protecting all existing crew members.
Unlimited access to Part-Time for ALL categories (CSM, CSS, BFA, AC).
Salary Sacrifice to be made available for the compulsory employee contribution for Superannuation for Divisions 1,2, and 3 ( an effective pay rise).
Choice of Superannuation fund will be available.
Employer Superannuation contribution increased from 9% to 10% for Division 6.
For those crew who have not used the Free London ticket from the current EBA, the date for use will be extended for 5 years.
Extension of paid Maternity leave from 10 weeks pay to 12 weeks pay.
Parental (Maternity) leave extended from 52 weeks to 104 weeks.
Incorporation of the 1983 Meal Allowance Agreement into the consolidated EBA for the first time in our history.
Incorporation of the current redundancy entitlement payment formula into the EBA.
Incorporation into our EBA of our current Long Service Leave entitlement and arrangements, which currently sit in Qantas policy.
Access to A380 Aircraft with Salary protection for existing crew.
The massive recruitment and universal access to part time will allow crew to transfer to Sydney and allow the recruitment of crew to “right size” smaller Bases.
Flying Line Holders cannot be assigned a standby when pay protected ( roster stability).
Recalculation of duty hour credits when patterns exceed 14 hours unplanned (delay) – additional duty hour credits for projection (as well as overtime).
Retention of Slipping formula (1:1:2) for all Europe, North and South America, Africa, Indian Sub Continent patterns.
New Pay and Conditions for New Starters contained in the EBA (which has secured our job security and protected our conditions, whilst at the same time secured good quality, full time Australian jobs, which would otherwise be sent overseas or to Jetstar etc).
Flight Attendants / BFA with four years service will be able to apply for CSM positions.
CHANGES
Pay Protection now 42 days exclusive of leave ( one offset only)
New Regional Slipping formula in return for transfer of Regional International flying back to Long Haul
Voting in delay situations under the multi sector rule has been removed. In return you will have the extra duty hour credits due to any delay recalculated and included as part of projected line value.
We will be notifying members very shortly of membership meetings where we will be able to explain the changes and the new proposed EBA arrangements in greater detail.
Following the membership meetings and detailed explanations, all flight attendants will receive ballot papers at home and be able to cast a vote in accordance with the Workplace Relations Act.
In summation, I would like to thank the vast majority of crew that have continued to have “faith” in the FAAA and the skills of your EBA negotiating team.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
HISTORIC EBA 8 IN - PRINCIPLE AGREEMENT REACHED
A FUTURE OF GROWTH AND JOB SECURITY
It is with the greatest pleasure that I announce on behalf of the FAAA negotiating team (Michael Mijatov, Steven Reed, Lee Lam and Michael Purvis) that an historic “In - Principle Agreement” has been reached with Qantas in relation to EBA 8. It is our belief that this agreement will be the cornerstone of unprecedented and unparalleled growth and job security for our members.
The headline features of the new agreement are as follows:-
BENEFITS
5 year agreement.
No Pay cut.
No Increase in hours for existing crew.
3% pay rise per year.
$3000 per person sign on bonus paid on certification.
Unprecedented growth for Long Haul.
Unprecedented job security.
75% of the current flexible flying pool (regional flying) will be flown by Long Haul Cabin Crew (currently 30%).
All new wide bodied aircraft flown internationally by Qantas will be flown by Long Haul crew ( e.g. B787-900).
Continued exclusive access to 7 flights per week to London.
Massive planned recruitment in Long Haul, (over 2000 new crew in the next two years).
550 new positions into Long Haul by June 2008 alone.
Extra crew member on aircraft with Premium Economy.
Massive promotions for existing crew to be announced shortly, (approximately 160 CSS positions and 80 CSM positions).
Securing jobs in Australia rather than overseas .
Qantas has committed to maintaining the current Cap on overseas bases despite the current industrial laws which have rendered the cap inoperative.
No promotions Overseas (except for London Base).
Seniority Preferential Bid System maintained for existing cabin crew.
Unblocking of the preferential bid system with massive increase of new work, with new cabin crew “sitting” underneath existing crew.
Reverse seniority provision applies if compulsory redundancy was to ever occur, included in the new EBA without any qualification, thereby protecting all existing crew members.
Unlimited access to Part-Time for ALL categories (CSM, CSS, BFA, AC).
Salary Sacrifice to be made available for the compulsory employee contribution for Superannuation for Divisions 1,2, and 3 ( an effective pay rise).
Choice of Superannuation fund will be available.
Employer Superannuation contribution increased from 9% to 10% for Division 6.
For those crew who have not used the Free London ticket from the current EBA, the date for use will be extended for 5 years.
Extension of paid Maternity leave from 10 weeks pay to 12 weeks pay.
Parental (Maternity) leave extended from 52 weeks to 104 weeks.
Incorporation of the 1983 Meal Allowance Agreement into the consolidated EBA for the first time in our history.
Incorporation of the current redundancy entitlement payment formula into the EBA.
Incorporation into our EBA of our current Long Service Leave entitlement and arrangements, which currently sit in Qantas policy.
Access to A380 Aircraft with Salary protection for existing crew.
The massive recruitment and universal access to part time will allow crew to transfer to Sydney and allow the recruitment of crew to “right size” smaller Bases.
Flying Line Holders cannot be assigned a standby when pay protected ( roster stability).
Recalculation of duty hour credits when patterns exceed 14 hours unplanned (delay) – additional duty hour credits for projection (as well as overtime).
Retention of Slipping formula (1:1:2) for all Europe, North and South America, Africa, Indian Sub Continent patterns.
New Pay and Conditions for New Starters contained in the EBA (which has secured our job security and protected our conditions, whilst at the same time secured good quality, full time Australian jobs, which would otherwise be sent overseas or to Jetstar etc).
Flight Attendants / BFA with four years service will be able to apply for CSM positions.
CHANGES
Pay Protection now 42 days exclusive of leave ( one offset only)
New Regional Slipping formula in return for transfer of Regional International flying back to Long Haul
Voting in delay situations under the multi sector rule has been removed. In return you will have the extra duty hour credits due to any delay recalculated and included as part of projected line value.
We will be notifying members very shortly of membership meetings where we will be able to explain the changes and the new proposed EBA arrangements in greater detail.
Following the membership meetings and detailed explanations, all flight attendants will receive ballot papers at home and be able to cast a vote in accordance with the Workplace Relations Act.
In summation, I would like to thank the vast majority of crew that have continued to have “faith” in the FAAA and the skills of your EBA negotiating team.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
