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It is all relevant!
REX isn't all that bad considering that you are likely to be flying Saabs and Dash8s. Some people posting in this forum seem to be using Qantas and BA as their benchmark for pay. 800hours will not get you a well paying job ANYWHERE. Most pilots starting out would jump at any opportunity that arises in aviation, especially considering REX is somewhat respectable and is a great launching pad for any Qantas/BA/CX/Emirates aspiring pilots. In reality being 21 and earning 45k a year whilst living in Melbourne or Brisbane isn't too bad. Christ you could lease a BMW and still have enough money to blow on booze and fags and generally having a great time. Most bankers with an MBA won't be earning anymore than that when they start off.
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Its good to hear people in a position of advantage preaching to the youngsters but I know alot of airline pilots that I flew with when we first got jobs in aviation that would have stabbed you in the back to get into rex. Very short memeries.
Most bankers with an MBA won't be earning anymore than that when they start off.
Most bankers would view $45 000 as peanuts, even for the first year. Then they would expect to rapidly advance up the salary scale WITHIN THE SAME COMPANY. Compare five years down the track REX pilot is now captain on $65 000/ year, banker recieves bonus of $65 000 and is dissapointed.
REX need to move with the times. It's not the 1990s anymore with thirty highly suitable applicants and fifty acceptable ones for every job. Look at the latest packages with Surveillance Australia $100 000/year MORE than REX for a similar level of pilot.
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Taken into consideration...
Thing is you can only climb the aviation ladder so far with REX because of the aircraft they have in service. Most pilots, after 5 or so years (possibly would need a type rating?) would be able to get a job flying large airliners for pretty much any airline. Yes, bankers do earn more than pilots :P, shame, they are all crooks! The reality is 800hours is not a point in ones career where by one can call the shots. There might be a pilot shortage, but there certainly isn't a shortage of low hour pilots.
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How many bankers have got an office with a view like aeroplane drivers have,
If you are only there for the money give it away and go and get a bankers job, or any of the many other jobs that pay well but are as boring as watching paint dry.
If you are only there for the money give it away and go and get a bankers job, or any of the many other jobs that pay well but are as boring as watching paint dry.
wickednoel.
I was going to agree with you on some points, but your attack on Jenna (I do acknowledge it was a retort) does you no service at all.
The fact is that a start with REX for a young wannabe does appear to be a golden opportunity. But do you have any idea at all about the real picture here? I think not.
If you don't have at least 500 hours multi command you will not progress at REX. If you do not have at least 500 hours multi command you will not satisfy the min requirements for virtually all the major carriers (QF excepted). So be it 2 years, 5 years, 10 years!!! with REX you will be hamstrung throughout your carreer.
The real issue is the retention of "experienced" pilots, and the only thing that will do that now is money. When you grow up you may realise that fact. Without captains or those that can be upgraded to command, these carriers will face ruin. How many of the domestic airlines have taken on the 800 hour pilots to which you refer. With the exeption of QF, none! The reason, they can suck the life out of the smaller carriers without the drama and additional expense of trying to train inexperienced pilots. This has been made possible because the regional carriers have refused to compete for labour. The current initial failure rate for new REX pilots is now in the order of 50% and climbing! Be under no illusion, the standards required at REX are every bit as high as the major carriers. Being inexperienced is not a crime. being young and enthusiastic can be advantageous, but the reality is that without experience your great REX adventure may just as easily turn into one's worst nightmare.
Forget about 5 years and then moving on to a fabulous aviation career. If REX do not compete for labour, they will lose another 60% of their experienced pilots by years end and the the whole thing will collapse.
I was going to agree with you on some points, but your attack on Jenna (I do acknowledge it was a retort) does you no service at all.
The fact is that a start with REX for a young wannabe does appear to be a golden opportunity. But do you have any idea at all about the real picture here? I think not.
If you don't have at least 500 hours multi command you will not progress at REX. If you do not have at least 500 hours multi command you will not satisfy the min requirements for virtually all the major carriers (QF excepted). So be it 2 years, 5 years, 10 years!!! with REX you will be hamstrung throughout your carreer.
The real issue is the retention of "experienced" pilots, and the only thing that will do that now is money. When you grow up you may realise that fact. Without captains or those that can be upgraded to command, these carriers will face ruin. How many of the domestic airlines have taken on the 800 hour pilots to which you refer. With the exeption of QF, none! The reason, they can suck the life out of the smaller carriers without the drama and additional expense of trying to train inexperienced pilots. This has been made possible because the regional carriers have refused to compete for labour. The current initial failure rate for new REX pilots is now in the order of 50% and climbing! Be under no illusion, the standards required at REX are every bit as high as the major carriers. Being inexperienced is not a crime. being young and enthusiastic can be advantageous, but the reality is that without experience your great REX adventure may just as easily turn into one's worst nightmare.
Forget about 5 years and then moving on to a fabulous aviation career. If REX do not compete for labour, they will lose another 60% of their experienced pilots by years end and the the whole thing will collapse.
Rex's Grade 3 instructors are being paid at least $1,500 more than a first year FO.
Go Figure.
hear they have appointed a CP and are ging to use/buy an AOC from a mob in wangarratta. No grade 1's yet tho
Go Figure.
hear they have appointed a CP and are ging to use/buy an AOC from a mob in wangarratta. No grade 1's yet tho
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After 3-5 years at REX, or wherever... you may be ELIGIBLE to move on, but what if you want to stay in SYD/MEL? and what if QF/DJ/JQ decide that you are not good enough for them? or if QF f*ck up your file, and reject you based on an interview which you never did?
What then ????
OK... you may be qualified, and you may be experienced, and you may exceed all qualifications for all major(minor) airlines in OZ... but the ONLY one who will look at you is some pi$$ant outfit in India/Asia, where you DO NOT want to go... what then ???
Do you really want to be stuck at ZL/QF earning F*ck All for the rest of your life ????
OK... so you may be able to hire purchase a BMW now, and live in Brisvegas- with mummy and Daddy....(w@nker) BUT... what happens when said BMW needs MAJOR maintenance, and some chick you have sung to in a bar is pregnant, and Mummy and Daddy do not ant to support you anymore.... IKS 70K for the rest of your life, including weekend and public holidayshifts gonna cut it with the bimbo and Baby?
the BMW you now own, will be you car for the next 20yrs!!!!!,,..... certaily hope you bought a good one in 2009!
The ONLY way the ensure regional pilots lifestyle is to stand up to management NOW!!!!! SAY TO THEM.... HEY!!!!! WE ARE COMMODITY, NOT A LIABILITY!!! TREAT US LIKE A VALUABLE ASSETT< OR LOSE YOUR COMPANY!!!!
think long sighted... not short term!!!!
What then ????
OK... you may be qualified, and you may be experienced, and you may exceed all qualifications for all major(minor) airlines in OZ... but the ONLY one who will look at you is some pi$$ant outfit in India/Asia, where you DO NOT want to go... what then ???
Do you really want to be stuck at ZL/QF earning F*ck All for the rest of your life ????
OK... so you may be able to hire purchase a BMW now, and live in Brisvegas- with mummy and Daddy....(w@nker) BUT... what happens when said BMW needs MAJOR maintenance, and some chick you have sung to in a bar is pregnant, and Mummy and Daddy do not ant to support you anymore.... IKS 70K for the rest of your life, including weekend and public holidayshifts gonna cut it with the bimbo and Baby?
the BMW you now own, will be you car for the next 20yrs!!!!!,,..... certaily hope you bought a good one in 2009!
The ONLY way the ensure regional pilots lifestyle is to stand up to management NOW!!!!! SAY TO THEM.... HEY!!!!! WE ARE COMMODITY, NOT A LIABILITY!!! TREAT US LIKE A VALUABLE ASSETT< OR LOSE YOUR COMPANY!!!!
think long sighted... not short term!!!!
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Is this the new aircraft?
..and I might actually meet this guy in the industry?? 
Oh, I do hope so.
Krusty, I wouldn't bother, give a man(loose term) enough rope and all that. It is better than tv though...
Ahh, his last post has been removed. Shame, might have prevented him getting into the air.
Oh, I do hope so. Krusty, I wouldn't bother, give a man(loose term) enough rope and all that. It is better than tv though...
Ahh, his last post has been removed. Shame, might have prevented him getting into the air.
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get a life wicked
Well with a comment like that {thankfully removed} i sincerely hope you pull your head in 
,To denegrate the sanctity of life with such a repulsive lack of respect makes me sick.Maybe you should take a step back and remember where you were for the first 9 months of your life.Grow up!
,To denegrate the sanctity of life with such a repulsive lack of respect makes me sick.Maybe you should take a step back and remember where you were for the first 9 months of your life.Grow up!
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Maybe I don't understand
If the vast majority of the world airlines are paying better money than in Australia, and especially REX (by the sounds of it), what would be lost in opening the doors for overseas pilots? If the pay is that bad, then REX and the like just would get the takers, and that surely would get them thinking then.
And before anyone asks.... no I dont work for REX, or even QL. However, if given the chance, I would jump at it.
stay safe
And before anyone asks.... no I dont work for REX, or even QL. However, if given the chance, I would jump at it.
stay safe
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There are only 2 things that should stop you sucessfully applying to REX.
The opportunity is merely a mouse click away.
There are only 2 things that should stop you sucessfully applying to REX.
- Failing to meet the min requirements (although that's not much these days!)
- The remuneration package is uncompetitive (So much for the overseas option)
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See REX is advertising in South African newspapers. With the current state of affairs in the country I am sure you will be hearing some saffer accents on the airwaves soon.
Been reading the whine of pilots for some time on here now and can only say that +- $ 50K (for an F/O) in a place where you are safe, your wife will remain unraped, your possessions your own, and your way of life not under threat, sounds like a fine proposition to many.
Aviation has for many years been a global industry, and becoming more so by the day. Face reality, there are other reasons for joining a company than just financial reward.
One man's meat is another man's poison. Hope to hear the whine up close and personal soon...
Been reading the whine of pilots for some time on here now and can only say that +- $ 50K (for an F/O) in a place where you are safe, your wife will remain unraped, your possessions your own, and your way of life not under threat, sounds like a fine proposition to many.
Aviation has for many years been a global industry, and becoming more so by the day. Face reality, there are other reasons for joining a company than just financial reward.
One man's meat is another man's poison. Hope to hear the whine up close and personal soon...
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Rex?
Its not the fact that they are advertising overseas, it's more along the lines of WHY they have to. There won't be a Rex by the end of the year anyways, so its probably a mute point.
btw, I know guys from Rex and it so easily could be fantastic place to be. Am p***ed off at the way mgt are intent on running the cr*p out if it.
btw, I know guys from Rex and it so easily could be fantastic place to be. Am p***ed off at the way mgt are intent on running the cr*p out if it.
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there are other reasons for joining a company than just financial reward.
From the article
Unfree labour is a generic or collective term for those work relations, especially in modern or early modern history, in which people are employed against their will by the threat of destitution, detention, violence (including death), or other extreme hardship to themselves, or to members of their families.
Unfree vs. free labour
By contrast, "free labour" describes a situation which a worker is able to leave at any time, if he or she sees fit. In practice, however, many nominally free labourers, in some historical periods and/or countries, face significant constraints on their ability to leave their jobs, and may not receive payment which is above the level of subsistence. For these reasons, some scholars prefer to see "free labour" and "unfree labour" as extreme points on a continuum, rather than being sharply distinct entities. Because of this, some people refer to the condition of the working class as "wage slavery". Others may feel that such terms trivialise the experiences of real slaves.
By contrast, "free labour" describes a situation which a worker is able to leave at any time, if he or she sees fit. In practice, however, many nominally free labourers, in some historical periods and/or countries, face significant constraints on their ability to leave their jobs, and may not receive payment which is above the level of subsistence. For these reasons, some scholars prefer to see "free labour" and "unfree labour" as extreme points on a continuum, rather than being sharply distinct entities. Because of this, some people refer to the condition of the working class as "wage slavery". Others may feel that such terms trivialise the experiences of real slaves.
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Harry I think you miss my point. Its not about forced labour or anything of the sort. Its about leaving a country that I feel is not worth living in anymore.
The complaints on here about REX, are the exact same complaints you find in just about every single one of the regional/feeder airlines discussed here on prune.
So my point is, why sit and suffer in a country that is rapidly becoming yet another African tale of woe?
Rather pack your bags and head for the first world, where although the airline whines are exactly the same - the small things, like safety and security for you and your family make it all worth while.
The complaints on here about REX, are the exact same complaints you find in just about every single one of the regional/feeder airlines discussed here on prune.
So my point is, why sit and suffer in a country that is rapidly becoming yet another African tale of woe?
Rather pack your bags and head for the first world, where although the airline whines are exactly the same - the small things, like safety and security for you and your family make it all worth while.
