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Remoak
You playing a little devil's advocacy there?
Just an observer of the turbo-prop market but I understand there is a bit of a premium abroad.
And having flown extensively around India & China, one thing they don't have a lot of is turbo-props. They are a booming jet market.
And I would suggest that the potential Chinese and Indian hoardes would be deterred by Australian taxation and cost of living. Aswell as an aversion toward Western check & training culture.
Anyways, keep sprouting it.......
You playing a little devil's advocacy there?
Just an observer of the turbo-prop market but I understand there is a bit of a premium abroad.
And having flown extensively around India & China, one thing they don't have a lot of is turbo-props. They are a booming jet market.
And I would suggest that the potential Chinese and Indian hoardes would be deterred by Australian taxation and cost of living. Aswell as an aversion toward Western check & training culture.
Anyways, keep sprouting it.......
Tell me, who owns most of Darwin and large parts of the Gold Coast?
There are foreign investment restrictions on real estate purchases in Australia.
Yes. We encourage "foreigners' to buy high rise apartments and paying a premium. But no they can't just waltz in and buy a harbourside home or CBD terrace.
The Kiwi's sell there land to anyone. We don't.
But what was your point anyway?
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CBS,
My posts only seem ridiculus to you, because they are contrary to your opinion.
Haughntney & Remoak,
You have the right to your opinion, you even have the right to say it, what I was getting at( and i apologise if my post was a little blunt, I get that way sometimes) if you havnt worked in the australian market(remoak) then why do you feel it necessary to comment on Terms and conditions that pilots should accept.
If you work overseas I'm assuming you live overseas? You cannot tell me that each countries economic climate is not different. Terms and conditions in Australia, for pilots have not evolved much in the last 15 years, now there is a very high demand for experienced crews, especially turboprop. Why should they not charge for their services(every other industry does, I refer to one my other "ridiculus posts" that cleaners are earning 120K a year at the minesites, why is this? SUPPLY AND DEMAND).
Dont get me wrong, I'M not talking about being militant, just slightly better T&C's then what has become common practice in Australia.
And another thing, notice I didnt make reference to T&c's from other countries, why? because I dont live or work there, so I dont feel as though I have the right to pass judgement.
JarJar
My posts only seem ridiculus to you, because they are contrary to your opinion.
Haughntney & Remoak,
You have the right to your opinion, you even have the right to say it, what I was getting at( and i apologise if my post was a little blunt, I get that way sometimes) if you havnt worked in the australian market(remoak) then why do you feel it necessary to comment on Terms and conditions that pilots should accept.
If you work overseas I'm assuming you live overseas? You cannot tell me that each countries economic climate is not different. Terms and conditions in Australia, for pilots have not evolved much in the last 15 years, now there is a very high demand for experienced crews, especially turboprop. Why should they not charge for their services(every other industry does, I refer to one my other "ridiculus posts" that cleaners are earning 120K a year at the minesites, why is this? SUPPLY AND DEMAND).
Dont get me wrong, I'M not talking about being militant, just slightly better T&C's then what has become common practice in Australia.
And another thing, notice I didnt make reference to T&c's from other countries, why? because I dont live or work there, so I dont feel as though I have the right to pass judgement.
JarJar
While there are Australian Men and Women ready, willing and able to fill Pilot positions in Australia then not one single foreign national should set foot on Australian soil to do our jobs.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
That's the only reason I work for CX, nothing else. If they could get enough locals to do my job I would be outta here whether I liked it or not.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
And I don't think an unreasonable one.
Try getting a job in the US for example.
Countries should be able to look after their own people first.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
That's the only reason I work for CX, nothing else. If they could get enough locals to do my job I would be outta here whether I liked it or not.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
And I don't think an unreasonable one.
Try getting a job in the US for example.
Countries should be able to look after their own people first.
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Remoak
One day in the future you might just get a job on a big aeroplane
on a big real salary. Don't jump to conclusions with the limited
info you have of Ppruners. You are a management wannabee
my friend, who probably needs to see more sunshine.
Come to Oz, I'll sponsor you for a job at Rex.
One day in the future you might just get a job on a big aeroplane
on a big real salary. Don't jump to conclusions with the limited
info you have of Ppruners. You are a management wannabee
my friend, who probably needs to see more sunshine.
Come to Oz, I'll sponsor you for a job at Rex.
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Well it seems at least we are we are being civil to each other! 
ACMS...
You my friend still don't get it, you may WANT this to be the situation, you MAY have a good point in relation to the situation...but as has been said.."there is the way it should be..and the way it is" in any case I tend to agree with Gnadenburg on this...REX wont find many T/P drivers in Asia, which is why they advertised where they did...on a site frequented predominately by Europeans and North Americans.
ACMS...one more thing to consider; If you feel so strongly that Oz jobs need to be protected (in this industry) for Oz pilots..have you considered returning and putting your money where your mouth is?
I'm not sure the US is a great example....unless you think Oz should aspire in that direction.
ACMS...
While there are Australian Men and Women ready, willing and able to fill Pilot positions in Australia then not one single foreign national should set foot on Australian soil to do our jobs.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
ACMS...one more thing to consider; If you feel so strongly that Oz jobs need to be protected (in this industry) for Oz pilots..have you considered returning and putting your money where your mouth is?
Try getting a job in the US for example.
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They don't have a lot of turboprops yet... but there will be. Lots and lots. Once the airlines start opening up the regions, expect to see the numbers rise dramatically. All the new operators are going for the cherries, the rest will follow.
[QUOTEAnd I would suggest that the potential Chinese and Indian hoardes would be deterred by Australian taxation and cost of living. Aswell as an aversion toward Western check & training culture.][/QUOTE]
Wrong on both counts. For a start, most of the Indian and Chinese students are very well financed, certainly the ones currently training in NZ are not short of money - many come from wealthy families or are sponsored. Secondly, the students seem to have no issues with the training, but more to the point, the new airlines are well aware of the need to train to western standards, partly from an insurance perspective, but also because they are forward-thinking and recognise the need to compete in a global market - and you can't do that effectively if your standards are low. You get found out, as Korean and Mandarin found out the hard way.
yeah, right... we have the most restrictive rules in the world, just ask Shania Twain how hard it is... and how much prime Aussie real estate is now in Japanes hands? Ironic, really... my point is that governments do not make decisions about immigration or work permits on the basis of what a bunch of annoyed pilots think.
jarjar
Because this issue is pretty much universal across the worldwide industry. The simple truth, as you say, is that it is a matter of supply and demand. However, you hope to increase you pay and conditions by capitalising on the lack of supply in the face of strong demand, and you assume that the only way that Aussie companies can fill the seats is with you and your colleagues. However, the simple truth is also that, in other countries with similar economic and political models to Australis, airlines have found other ways to fill the seats. You should really study the history of Ryanair, because they effectively bypassed expensive local labour and found ways to employ lots of cheap(er) Eastern Europeans, people who would work for virtually nothing, just to get the gig.
You then assume that this could never happen in Australia... but people said that in Ireland, too. The simple truth, again, is that economics on the scale that Ryanair create, allows them considerable political clout - and they have managed to bend the rules to suit themselves. Can it happen in Australia? Of course it can.
In most western countries, not that different. But it isn't the economic climate you should be looking at, it is the economic structures.
You said "why should they not charge for their services", and of course you are right. I have no issue with that. My point was, and is, that simply assuming that the airlines will cave because you want them to, or go broke if they don't give you what you want, is naive in the extreme. What happens when Asian or Indian migrants start offering to work for half what you will? The idea that "it can never happen here" is usually followed by a lot of people getting a nasty surprise.
You may not feel able to pass comment on the situation in other countries, and that's fine. I have worked in many countries and have seen this pattern repeat itself over and over again. You can reject it if you like, but if you refuse to learn from others who have gone before, you will simply repeat their mistakes. Far smarter to take note of what has happened elsewhere, and plan accordingly.
Groups that wish they had would include your own '89ers, the US ATCOs in the 80s, Continental pilots in the 90s, the Ansett NZ staff, SABENA staff a few years ago, and so on and so forth...
boofta
I must admit that did make me smile a little this morning, as I clambered into the left seat of a big shiny jet with four big jet thingies on the wings, and a bunch of girls down the back. Sorry, I won't be able take you up on your offer, I haven't flown a turboprop for many years and would probably be useless at it. Different skill set.
And having flown extensively around India & China, one thing they don't have a lot of is turbo-props. They are a booming jet market.
[QUOTEAnd I would suggest that the potential Chinese and Indian hoardes would be deterred by Australian taxation and cost of living. Aswell as an aversion toward Western check & training culture.][/QUOTE]
Wrong on both counts. For a start, most of the Indian and Chinese students are very well financed, certainly the ones currently training in NZ are not short of money - many come from wealthy families or are sponsored. Secondly, the students seem to have no issues with the training, but more to the point, the new airlines are well aware of the need to train to western standards, partly from an insurance perspective, but also because they are forward-thinking and recognise the need to compete in a global market - and you can't do that effectively if your standards are low. You get found out, as Korean and Mandarin found out the hard way.
The Kiwi's sell there land to anyone. We don't.
But what was your point anyway?
But what was your point anyway?
jarjar
if you havnt worked in the australian market(remoak) then why do you feel it necessary to comment on Terms and conditions that pilots should accept.
You then assume that this could never happen in Australia... but people said that in Ireland, too. The simple truth, again, is that economics on the scale that Ryanair create, allows them considerable political clout - and they have managed to bend the rules to suit themselves. Can it happen in Australia? Of course it can.
You cannot tell me that each countries economic climate is not different.
You said "why should they not charge for their services", and of course you are right. I have no issue with that. My point was, and is, that simply assuming that the airlines will cave because you want them to, or go broke if they don't give you what you want, is naive in the extreme. What happens when Asian or Indian migrants start offering to work for half what you will? The idea that "it can never happen here" is usually followed by a lot of people getting a nasty surprise.
You may not feel able to pass comment on the situation in other countries, and that's fine. I have worked in many countries and have seen this pattern repeat itself over and over again. You can reject it if you like, but if you refuse to learn from others who have gone before, you will simply repeat their mistakes. Far smarter to take note of what has happened elsewhere, and plan accordingly.
Groups that wish they had would include your own '89ers, the US ATCOs in the 80s, Continental pilots in the 90s, the Ansett NZ staff, SABENA staff a few years ago, and so on and so forth...
boofta
One day in the future you might just get a job on a big aeroplane
on a big real salary.
on a big real salary.
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My point was, and is, that simply assuming that the airlines will cave because you want them to, or go broke if they don't give you what you want, is naive in the extreme.
Big problem though, this doesnt happen. There has been a rift between management and flightcrew/cabin crew for many years, management has had the upper hand as far as "setting the bar" for T&C's , now due to a lack of experienced crews(especially for the regionals), Crews can start levelling that bar.
Ideal outcome= Lots of happy employees, productive business, minimal staff turnover(but enough to keep people interested, as far as promotion potential is concerned).
JarJar
Sorry remoak, I smell your bullsh$$.
How many turbo-prop orders are on order for China? They are developing a regional jet and have no interest in the aircraft REX operates.
And India? C'mon. Sprout it......
They are locked into bonds for the duration of their careers. Or, can exit with financial penalties ten times their wage and some.
And if Mummy and Daddy own half of Shanghai. WTF would they want to fly for 50K a year, living out of Sydney for Rex? And WTF would they want to fly a SAAB?
No you don't. I know because I am in a syndicate with people who can't buy Australian commercial property but we are helping ourselves to yours.
So how much Kiwi land does Shania have?
And do your homework. It was the Japanese who were burnt in SE QLD real estate markets that caused the restrictive access that foreigners now have to Australian real estate.
Good luck to the REX guys. Your services will be demanded by REX and others.....
How many turbo-prop orders are on order for China? They are developing a regional jet and have no interest in the aircraft REX operates.
And India? C'mon. Sprout it......
Wrong on both counts. For a start, most of the Indian and Chinese students are very well financed, certainly the ones currently training in NZ are not short of money - many come from wealthy families or are sponsored.
And if Mummy and Daddy own half of Shanghai. WTF would they want to fly for 50K a year, living out of Sydney for Rex? And WTF would they want to fly a SAAB?
yeah, right... we have the most restrictive rules in the world, just ask Shania Twain how hard it is... and how much prime Aussie real estate is now in Japanes hands?
So how much Kiwi land does Shania have?
And do your homework. It was the Japanese who were burnt in SE QLD real estate markets that caused the restrictive access that foreigners now have to Australian real estate.
Good luck to the REX guys. Your services will be demanded by REX and others.....
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Which bit of "not yet" didn't you understand? And I never suggested that China had any interest in anything REX does, or, for that matter, the aircraft they fly.
However, the fact remains that programs such as the one I have described have been very effective in bridging the experience gap between raw CPLs with no practical experience, and airline-ready First Officers.
Completely untrue. Asked a few of them today. They just laughed.
They don't want either of those things, but they do want a competitive advantage when it comes to getting a job back home. The current initial jet conversion failure rate is high, and needs to be addressed in a constructive way.
Well... I am still active in real estate (still hold an agent's licence), and you may be able to buy selected commercial real estate, but not in a way that gives you any real control.
Not as much as she wanted, and it came with some very heavy restrictions and conditions (which cost her a small fortune to satisfy).
How many turbo-prop orders are on order for China? They are developing a regional jet and have no interest in the aircraft REX operates.
However, the fact remains that programs such as the one I have described have been very effective in bridging the experience gap between raw CPLs with no practical experience, and airline-ready First Officers.
They are locked into bonds for the duration of their careers. Or, can exit with financial penalties ten times their wage and some.
WTF would they want to fly for 50K a year, living out of Sydney for Rex? And WTF would they want to fly a SAAB?
No you don't. I know because I am in a syndicate with people who can't buy Australian commercial property but we are helping ourselves to yours.
So how much Kiwi land does Shania have?
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Remoak,
Please don't take offence mate but your argument seems to shifting around under fire and I'm getting confused as to what you are actually arguing. As for India and China they have a few more aircrew problems at the moment than Rex. Any and all qualified (ie commercial licenced) people are finding themselves very quickly in the right seat of JETS. I cannot see them moving away from home unless it is a far better gig than where they are now (same for all of us I think) and honestly REX's conditions are barely enough to keep Aussies working there....
Please don't take offence mate but your argument seems to shifting around under fire and I'm getting confused as to what you are actually arguing. As for India and China they have a few more aircrew problems at the moment than Rex. Any and all qualified (ie commercial licenced) people are finding themselves very quickly in the right seat of JETS. I cannot see them moving away from home unless it is a far better gig than where they are now (same for all of us I think) and honestly REX's conditions are barely enough to keep Aussies working there....
remoak
The Chinese 'emerging' regional ( for simplicity we will stay away from India ) would at a guess be based on jets. Why? Because they have an Airbus production line opening in Tianjin and are developing their own regional jet.
The turbo-prop market is now non-existant and there is nothing to suggest this will change.
And if they did go down the turbo-prop direction, I would suggest that this new skills set would be attracting a premium. They would draw expatriate resources- perhaps even from REX.
I just can't see how your faniciful ( and at the moment non-existant ) devloping countries turbo-prop resources could threaten inflationary pressures on T&C's for Australian regional pilots.
And your scenario that REX becomes a training ground for hundreds of Chinese co-pilots- as was done on a very small scale with local Dragonair pilots in Scotland- is a little premature and ambitious.
For whatever reason, you are being miserable toward REX pilots. From where I sit, it's glaringly obvious REX will be hurt by a huge upswing of demand within Australia and regionally by airline operators. REX provides a good product.
If you don't understand foreign investment restrictions in Australian real estate well I can't put it any simpler than this: what Shania Twain bought in New Zealand she could not do in Australia. She has no right to freehold title as a foreigner. It is rigidly limiting what you can buy here.
Classic remoak. They always just laugh. It's called saving face.
The Chinese 'emerging' regional ( for simplicity we will stay away from India ) would at a guess be based on jets. Why? Because they have an Airbus production line opening in Tianjin and are developing their own regional jet.
The turbo-prop market is now non-existant and there is nothing to suggest this will change.
And if they did go down the turbo-prop direction, I would suggest that this new skills set would be attracting a premium. They would draw expatriate resources- perhaps even from REX.
I just can't see how your faniciful ( and at the moment non-existant ) devloping countries turbo-prop resources could threaten inflationary pressures on T&C's for Australian regional pilots.
And your scenario that REX becomes a training ground for hundreds of Chinese co-pilots- as was done on a very small scale with local Dragonair pilots in Scotland- is a little premature and ambitious.
For whatever reason, you are being miserable toward REX pilots. From where I sit, it's glaringly obvious REX will be hurt by a huge upswing of demand within Australia and regionally by airline operators. REX provides a good product.
If you don't understand foreign investment restrictions in Australian real estate well I can't put it any simpler than this: what Shania Twain bought in New Zealand she could not do in Australia. She has no right to freehold title as a foreigner. It is rigidly limiting what you can buy here.
Completely untrue. Asked a few of them today. They just laughed.
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Chinese save face. Indians don't. These were the latter. As I know them fairly well, I can tell you that they are all from prosperous families and have no bond - because none of the training is being paid for by the airlines. They are becoming qualified prior to seeking employment, the new airlines rarely, if ever, sponsor ab initio training in India. Surprised you didn't know that.
As far as China goes, I have been there and had the conversations with external trade/industry teams as part of my own business expansion, and suffice it to say that there are major plans afoot for turboprop operations to the outlying regions. Once again, I am surprised that you are not aware that the Chinese have been quietly trying to acquire a utility turboprop type for local manufacture for some time now (in the 50-70 seat range). They have also been looking at a smaller (70-100 seat) jet for local production. The candidates for both needs should be obvious. Or do you think that every local centre in China is going to sprout massive runways and infrastructure overnight?
I have already stated how this could impact negatively on the aspirations of wannabes/REX pilots. Dragonair wasn't the only company to do this, at least three Euro operators are also at it and it is quite common in the US (although in a slightly different way).
I'm not being miserable towards REX pilots in the slightest, merely stating the obvious. The REX product may well be good, but it is also cost-sensitive and that is where the problems start. Anybody thinking that they should seize the day to force a large salary rise should look carefully at what has happened in the US carriers after the pilot unions got the large increases they wanted. A year or so later, half of them were in Chapter 11 and the rest had imposed massive salary cuts. Really smart stuff on the part of the pilots.
But I know that you have no interest in learning the lessons of the past, so by all means encourage the REX guys to go for that pay rise. I have no particular issue with them wanting more money, I'm sure they deserve it as is the case in most small airlines. However, Australia and NZ both have a terrible "us against them" mentality when it comes to pay negotiations, they rarely go smoothly, and the result is normally a "lose-lose" - again, Ansett NZ and '89 spring to mind (ah, but we mustn't learn from the past, no sir-ee).
As for the rest, it is off-topic. I know that you like to think that you know everything, even about areas in which you know nothing, so for the sake of everyone else I'm not going to engage on the subject of real estate.
As far as China goes, I have been there and had the conversations with external trade/industry teams as part of my own business expansion, and suffice it to say that there are major plans afoot for turboprop operations to the outlying regions. Once again, I am surprised that you are not aware that the Chinese have been quietly trying to acquire a utility turboprop type for local manufacture for some time now (in the 50-70 seat range). They have also been looking at a smaller (70-100 seat) jet for local production. The candidates for both needs should be obvious. Or do you think that every local centre in China is going to sprout massive runways and infrastructure overnight?
I have already stated how this could impact negatively on the aspirations of wannabes/REX pilots. Dragonair wasn't the only company to do this, at least three Euro operators are also at it and it is quite common in the US (although in a slightly different way).
I'm not being miserable towards REX pilots in the slightest, merely stating the obvious. The REX product may well be good, but it is also cost-sensitive and that is where the problems start. Anybody thinking that they should seize the day to force a large salary rise should look carefully at what has happened in the US carriers after the pilot unions got the large increases they wanted. A year or so later, half of them were in Chapter 11 and the rest had imposed massive salary cuts. Really smart stuff on the part of the pilots.
But I know that you have no interest in learning the lessons of the past, so by all means encourage the REX guys to go for that pay rise. I have no particular issue with them wanting more money, I'm sure they deserve it as is the case in most small airlines. However, Australia and NZ both have a terrible "us against them" mentality when it comes to pay negotiations, they rarely go smoothly, and the result is normally a "lose-lose" - again, Ansett NZ and '89 spring to mind (ah, but we mustn't learn from the past, no sir-ee).
As for the rest, it is off-topic. I know that you like to think that you know everything, even about areas in which you know nothing, so for the sake of everyone else I'm not going to engage on the subject of real estate.
remoak,
REX Pilots are not pushing for a payrise. The EBA still has a year to run and as such they are not in a position to push for a payrise.
What they are doing however is voting with their feet!
So what is left? With very few suitable candidates remaining these guys and girls are fastly becoming irreplacable.
There is a large number of senior pilots, both F/O's and Captains who are currently sitting on the fence waiting to see what the company intends to do.
If the company chooses to do nothing, then these people will also walk. That is the reality.
And don't give me that chapter 11 bullsh@t. REX can afford to improve the wages and conditions of their pilots, they just do not choose to do so, as is their right.
The clock is ticking. Crewing are already cancelling flights due to lack of crew, and this is just the beginning.
REX Pilots are not pushing for a payrise. The EBA still has a year to run and as such they are not in a position to push for a payrise.
What they are doing however is voting with their feet!
So what is left? With very few suitable candidates remaining these guys and girls are fastly becoming irreplacable.
There is a large number of senior pilots, both F/O's and Captains who are currently sitting on the fence waiting to see what the company intends to do.
If the company chooses to do nothing, then these people will also walk. That is the reality.
And don't give me that chapter 11 bullsh@t. REX can afford to improve the wages and conditions of their pilots, they just do not choose to do so, as is their right.
The clock is ticking. Crewing are already cancelling flights due to lack of crew, and this is just the beginning.
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I stand to be corrected but it is my understanding that legislation to allow & fast track foreign pilots into Australia & Australian flying jobs passed by a LABOR goverment during a `certain aviation incident' many years ago is still valid!
Have not seen Labor in opposition moving to repeal this legislation.
Was also the same Labor government which introduced Individual contracts which pilots were required to sign.
Another Labor government under Paul Keating turned these individual contracts into EBAs/EWAs
So what are Kevin & Julia going to do?
Story changes regularly?
The shortage of pilots should not be surprising to anyone who has been doing their homework or planning (leaves out airline management), the figures & statistics have been there for all to see and some of us did them more than 18 -20 year ago.
A shame there is not any foresight and solidarity to take maximum advantage of the new era.
DK
While there are Australian Men and Women ready, willing and able to fill Pilot positions in Australia then not one single foreign national should set foot on Australian soil to do our jobs.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
That's the only reason I work for CX, nothing else. If they could get enough locals to do my job I would be outta here whether I liked it or not.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
And I don't think an unreasonable one.
Try getting a job in the US for example.
Countries should be able to look after their own people first.
This rule applies to any other country as well.
That's the only reason I work for CX, nothing else. If they could get enough locals to do my job I would be outta here whether I liked it or not.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
And I don't think an unreasonable one.
Try getting a job in the US for example.
Countries should be able to look after their own people first.
Have not seen Labor in opposition moving to repeal this legislation.
Was also the same Labor government which introduced Individual contracts which pilots were required to sign.
Another Labor government under Paul Keating turned these individual contracts into EBAs/EWAs
So what are Kevin & Julia going to do?
Story changes regularly?
The shortage of pilots should not be surprising to anyone who has been doing their homework or planning (leaves out airline management), the figures & statistics have been there for all to see and some of us did them more than 18 -20 year ago.
A shame there is not any foresight and solidarity to take maximum advantage of the new era.
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Rrrrrrrrrrrr*x pilots,
Who's up for drinks in glenelg tonight. Let's get together so we can show our appreciation for the great work you're doing in SA. Don't worry about bringing your wallets, West End's are on us!! Sorry you'll have to make do with the jukebox this week, as you'll appreciate, bands are getting a bit pricey these days, unlike S$#b pilots!!! Only joking.
Look guys, we're coming over because we really do value your committment to LK's empire. To those of you concerned about attrition, salarys and all that other boring stuff, I'm sure that as busy as we are, just by showing our faces with a few rounds of Murray river scooners, gratis don't forget, will be just the sort of morale booster that's needed. By sunday a.m, any doubters I'm sure will be won round not through the promise of senseless pay increases, which as you are only too well aware can seriously eat into our hard earned profits, but by good old fashioned ozzie support and mateship.
Please invite your mates especially those holding at least a PPL with the intention of studying CPL at some stage, however for these guests there will have to be cover charge of $250.
Anyway, really do look forward to seeing you,
The management
Who's up for drinks in glenelg tonight. Let's get together so we can show our appreciation for the great work you're doing in SA. Don't worry about bringing your wallets, West End's are on us!! Sorry you'll have to make do with the jukebox this week, as you'll appreciate, bands are getting a bit pricey these days, unlike S$#b pilots!!! Only joking.
Look guys, we're coming over because we really do value your committment to LK's empire. To those of you concerned about attrition, salarys and all that other boring stuff, I'm sure that as busy as we are, just by showing our faces with a few rounds of Murray river scooners, gratis don't forget, will be just the sort of morale booster that's needed. By sunday a.m, any doubters I'm sure will be won round not through the promise of senseless pay increases, which as you are only too well aware can seriously eat into our hard earned profits, but by good old fashioned ozzie support and mateship.
Please invite your mates especially those holding at least a PPL with the intention of studying CPL at some stage, however for these guests there will have to be cover charge of $250.
Anyway, really do look forward to seeing you,
The management
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