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Lowerlobe wrote
"No one here actually believes that you are crew so give it a rest."
Well me ole mate you're not crew either so why don't YOU give it a rest?
"No one here actually believes that you are crew so give it a rest."
Well me ole mate you're not crew either so why don't YOU give it a rest?
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BA lert
give it a rest and go away, your comments are never wanted on any CC forum, so go away!
I'm crew and I like having lower lobe's input.
Now go an sharpen some pencils or do something constructive and use some of your whit (said very loosely) and have a go at jetstar, its the only time I agree with any drivel you post on these forums.
give it a rest and go away, your comments are never wanted on any CC forum, so go away!
I'm crew and I like having lower lobe's input.
Now go an sharpen some pencils or do something constructive and use some of your whit (said very loosely) and have a go at jetstar, its the only time I agree with any drivel you post on these forums.
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BALert said..
Thanks for that BA.
So you agree with me that Twiggs is not crew.I knew it all along but it's good to be vindicated.
But hang on......your not crew either so I guess you are going to give it a rest as well?
At least I was crew me ole mate !!!!!!
Well me ole mate you're not crew either
So you agree with me that Twiggs is not crew.I knew it all along but it's good to be vindicated.
But hang on......your not crew either so I guess you are going to give it a rest as well?
At least I was crew me ole mate !!!!!!
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Originally Posted by redTbar
Then again if you are looking at JEPPESEN maps a dozen times a day
Originally Posted by cartsexchange
use some of your whit
HAHAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA........!!!!
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Geoffrey Thomas | August 17, 2007
THE New Zealand born-again award-winning airline is rewriting the airline staff management relations book with executives rolling up sleeves and working side by side with staff getting a dose of the "right stuff".
Every month, chief executive Rob Fyfe - and the rest of the airline's executives - don flight attendant uniforms and serve coffee or a fine New Zealand sauvignon blanc or might spend a day on the check-in counters or loading baggage.
And while they are doing that, they are reinforcing Charles Darwin's great quote that "it's not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent but the ones most responsive to change", for they are completely changing the way management deals with airline staff.
Air New Zealand has travelled an extraordinary journey since the bleak days of 2001 and it has all been built on interaction with staff, initially under former chief executive and current Commonwealth Bank chief executive Ralph Norris and now under Fyfe.
The result? Air NZ is now the most admired brand in New Zealand. According to recent survey by Britain-based TNS Global Research, the percentage of customers who would recommend the airline has grown from a paltry 44 per cent across the international network in 2004 to 90 per cent for the first time ever in November last year. "Our people are our brand" is the way Fyfe describes it. Every month or so, Fyfe hosts a staff barbecue for charity on the veranda outside the open-plan executive offices.
When Norris took the reins in early 2002, Air NZ had just written off $NZ1.45 billion - the largest write-off in New Zealand corporate history - after the collapse of its Ansett subsidiary.
A TRULY REMARKABLE STORY
THE New Zealand born-again award-winning airline is rewriting the airline staff management relations book with executives rolling up sleeves and working side by side with staff getting a dose of the "right stuff".
Every month, chief executive Rob Fyfe - and the rest of the airline's executives - don flight attendant uniforms and serve coffee or a fine New Zealand sauvignon blanc or might spend a day on the check-in counters or loading baggage.
And while they are doing that, they are reinforcing Charles Darwin's great quote that "it's not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent but the ones most responsive to change", for they are completely changing the way management deals with airline staff.
Air New Zealand has travelled an extraordinary journey since the bleak days of 2001 and it has all been built on interaction with staff, initially under former chief executive and current Commonwealth Bank chief executive Ralph Norris and now under Fyfe.
The result? Air NZ is now the most admired brand in New Zealand. According to recent survey by Britain-based TNS Global Research, the percentage of customers who would recommend the airline has grown from a paltry 44 per cent across the international network in 2004 to 90 per cent for the first time ever in November last year. "Our people are our brand" is the way Fyfe describes it. Every month or so, Fyfe hosts a staff barbecue for charity on the veranda outside the open-plan executive offices.
When Norris took the reins in early 2002, Air NZ had just written off $NZ1.45 billion - the largest write-off in New Zealand corporate history - after the collapse of its Ansett subsidiary.
A TRULY REMARKABLE STORY
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scotty doo.
life must be so boring and inane on the flight deck that you have to constantly add your vile and sarcasm to the CC thread.
As stated on another thread, you stick to your own areas, we simply don't want you here, just like when we are away in slip ports......we don't want you along....... now go away little boy!
life must be so boring and inane on the flight deck that you have to constantly add your vile and sarcasm to the CC thread.
As stated on another thread, you stick to your own areas, we simply don't want you here, just like when we are away in slip ports......we don't want you along....... now go away little boy!
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Again, the thread is dragged down by petty squabbles. I think we should welcome all posts and accept this is an open forum for C crew; EX crew; Tech crew; I think I am crew; I want you to believe I am crew; I wish I was crew; I could be crew; you think I am not crew but am; I am not crew and you know I am not crew but I say I am crew; I am schizophrenic so one day I am crew and the next I am not crew......that almost covers most of the candidates here !
Back to topic...
LL: With the other rumour that there is about to be another aircraft order there maybe some substantial promotional prospects.
Prospects for existing LHCabin Crew ? Or prospects for an AWA based specific A380 crew ?
Back to topic...
LL: With the other rumour that there is about to be another aircraft order there maybe some substantial promotional prospects.
Prospects for existing LHCabin Crew ? Or prospects for an AWA based specific A380 crew ?
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radiation junkie...I like the description of some people here and agree with you 100 % about people from any area posting here but with one proviso.
That is simply to have an intelligent information flow and an honest debate and not to try and stir the pot with an agenda of having the thread closed.
Remember there are a number of people who don't want us here and would like to have the thread closed down.
As far as your question regarding promotional prospects is concerned only time will tell.However,it would be hard for the company to play the hard done by card when they have just announced a record profit especially with the high price of fuel.
Certainly the company will want productivity increases but then there are things that crew will want and I believe that both can be accomodated.There seems to be a strong viable future in aviation IF both sides work together.
That is simply to have an intelligent information flow and an honest debate and not to try and stir the pot with an agenda of having the thread closed.
Remember there are a number of people who don't want us here and would like to have the thread closed down.
As far as your question regarding promotional prospects is concerned only time will tell.However,it would be hard for the company to play the hard done by card when they have just announced a record profit especially with the high price of fuel.
Certainly the company will want productivity increases but then there are things that crew will want and I believe that both can be accomodated.There seems to be a strong viable future in aviation IF both sides work together.
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Originally Posted by lowerlobe
That is simply to have an intelligent information flow and an honest debate and not to try and stir the pot with an agenda of having the thread closed.
The only reason threads get closed is when you and your cohorts get personal.
Did you know debates consist of opposing views on a subject?
Just because sometimes I have an opposing view, you accuse me of wanting the thread closed.
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moving along, girls
as for the new aircraft orders i think it may be some more airbus 320's for pacific airlines & J* asia. maybe more of the 787-9 series or even 10 series. in any event i dont think there will be a major surprise. then again where are you going to put the 500 S/O
as mentioned by the CP?
it would be nice to start competing with the middle east carriers to more destinations in europa.
as mentioned by the CP?it would be nice to start competing with the middle east carriers to more destinations in europa.
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I read somewhere that Dixon wants mainline to go back to Paris and to expand Frankfurt.
I think Dubai was also mentioned.
Rome and some others were mentioned for Jetstar.
I think Dubai was also mentioned.
Rome and some others were mentioned for Jetstar.
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Lobe old fruit, you really are getting paranoiac in your old age. You say you want robust and reasoned debate. Yet, when others respond with opposing views, rather than rebut what they say, you attack them personally, and accuse them, with nary a shred of evidence, and in the manner of the schoolyard bully, that their real agenda is to have the thread closed.
Might this be a tactic aimed at scaring off critics, leaving only your views to prevail?
Or post QF, are you suffering from Relevance Deprivation Syndrome, and an unfulfilled need to be wanted?
Either way, it's not reasoned and robust debate.
And your opponents aren't necessarily out to get you.
This is a public forum dealing with Airline and RPT issues in Australia and NZ. It's not an exclusive forum for disaffected former and current QF cabin staff. If you post your views here, you can expect others to post their views, some of which might not be in accord with yours. It doesn't make your opponents any less deserving of having the right to say what they think about the topic in question. It also doesn't entitle you and your cohorts to replace reasoned argument and debate with personal abuse.
Fair go all round, comrade.
If you and your colleagues want to engage in exclusive naval gazing and mutual self adulation, buy yourselves some private space on a commercial ISP. While you continue to post hypocracy, humbug, rubbish, cant and the occasional well argued comment on a public forum, you can expect robust and critical responses from punters like me.
It's called 'free speech'.
Might this be a tactic aimed at scaring off critics, leaving only your views to prevail?
Or post QF, are you suffering from Relevance Deprivation Syndrome, and an unfulfilled need to be wanted?
Either way, it's not reasoned and robust debate.
And your opponents aren't necessarily out to get you.
This is a public forum dealing with Airline and RPT issues in Australia and NZ. It's not an exclusive forum for disaffected former and current QF cabin staff. If you post your views here, you can expect others to post their views, some of which might not be in accord with yours. It doesn't make your opponents any less deserving of having the right to say what they think about the topic in question. It also doesn't entitle you and your cohorts to replace reasoned argument and debate with personal abuse.
Fair go all round, comrade.
If you and your colleagues want to engage in exclusive naval gazing and mutual self adulation, buy yourselves some private space on a commercial ISP. While you continue to post hypocracy, humbug, rubbish, cant and the occasional well argued comment on a public forum, you can expect robust and critical responses from punters like me.
It's called 'free speech'.
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Cogent Cohesive Discussion
PPrune Forums provide a number of functions for posters.
It can provide information or provide disinformation.
It allows some to vent their spleen regarding perceived injustices.
It provides opportuniites for mischief for those with idle fingers.
The trick is to sort out what is what and ultimately posters motivations.
Those who work for a company are most likely to have a different perception and understanding of the said company than those who glean their information from the media.
Personal attacks are usually directed at those who appear to want to create mischief....perception vs intention if you will.
Qantas attracts its fair share of posts.
It would be fair to say that the troops are not happy.This is company wide although it would appear that LH CC are the most vociferous in communicating their displeasure.
CC are soft targets.Unable ot defend themselves
Crew are hammered by their employer and attacked by passengers for service failures.Failures not of their (CC)making.
There are cries from the critics..."leave and get another job".
If this happens nothing changes.Its only if you stay and agitate for change that it will occur.
QF employees have a vested interest in the company's success.
Genreally middle and senior mangement come nad go every three to five years.
They are not as bonded as those who have been employed for a lot longer.
Employees want QF to be the best Airline on the Planet.
They are thwarted in this endeavour by a critical lack of resources.
Qantas mangement want a greater attrition rate.
New blood, fresh ideas and invigorated behaviour.
Employees are placed under pressure and attacked daily by management in an effort to get them to leave.
They dont leave, wont leave..Aviation is a fascinating industry and is addictive.
It is like no other in this regard.
Tempers flare when employees are blamed for all service failures and then are criticized by others for being whingers.
All a little unfair and unjust.
For those of you who dont work for Qantas and have a penchant for creating mischief and make unfounded and uninformed criticism please bear these points in mind before putting finger to key.
Otherwise expect to be flamed
It can provide information or provide disinformation.
It allows some to vent their spleen regarding perceived injustices.
It provides opportuniites for mischief for those with idle fingers.
The trick is to sort out what is what and ultimately posters motivations.
Those who work for a company are most likely to have a different perception and understanding of the said company than those who glean their information from the media.
Personal attacks are usually directed at those who appear to want to create mischief....perception vs intention if you will.
Qantas attracts its fair share of posts.
It would be fair to say that the troops are not happy.This is company wide although it would appear that LH CC are the most vociferous in communicating their displeasure.
CC are soft targets.Unable ot defend themselves
Crew are hammered by their employer and attacked by passengers for service failures.Failures not of their (CC)making.
There are cries from the critics..."leave and get another job".
If this happens nothing changes.Its only if you stay and agitate for change that it will occur.
QF employees have a vested interest in the company's success.
Genreally middle and senior mangement come nad go every three to five years.
They are not as bonded as those who have been employed for a lot longer.
Employees want QF to be the best Airline on the Planet.
They are thwarted in this endeavour by a critical lack of resources.
Qantas mangement want a greater attrition rate.
New blood, fresh ideas and invigorated behaviour.
Employees are placed under pressure and attacked daily by management in an effort to get them to leave.
They dont leave, wont leave..Aviation is a fascinating industry and is addictive.
It is like no other in this regard.
Tempers flare when employees are blamed for all service failures and then are criticized by others for being whingers.
All a little unfair and unjust.
For those of you who dont work for Qantas and have a penchant for creating mischief and make unfounded and uninformed criticism please bear these points in mind before putting finger to key.
Otherwise expect to be flamed
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DEFCON4,Well said.
As lowerlobe has mentioned there are a number of people who post with the obvious intention of inciting an argument.
Willie B I'm sure that no one minds a constructive and informative post from anyone.
The trick is to show that you know what you are talking about.For some here that is the stumbling block.
As lowerlobe has mentioned there are a number of people who post with the obvious intention of inciting an argument.
Willie B I'm sure that no one minds a constructive and informative post from anyone.
The trick is to show that you know what you are talking about.For some here that is the stumbling block.
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Good post DEFCON4.
Any truth to the rumour that two of our newly anointed CSMs have had to be paxed home due to an inability to deal with the stress over [multiple] major IFE failures and are now finding themselves on "light duties" ala the boss desk?
Surely not given the pronouncement by the virgin hostie during the whole process that these were the finest candidates qantas had EVER anointed?
Any truth to the rumour that two of our newly anointed CSMs have had to be paxed home due to an inability to deal with the stress over [multiple] major IFE failures and are now finding themselves on "light duties" ala the boss desk?
Surely not given the pronouncement by the virgin hostie during the whole process that these were the finest candidates qantas had EVER anointed?
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Not Rumour: Fact
Inadequate training and a flawed selection process has set these poor devils up to fail.
Should they ever go back on line their credibility would be zero.
They are now damaged goods.
This would have done serious damage to their confidence and self esteem.
Lets hope that the Bewitched chick and the Ex manager of Heathrow's T4 have learnt something from this.
Should they ever go back on line their credibility would be zero.
They are now damaged goods.
This would have done serious damage to their confidence and self esteem.
Lets hope that the Bewitched chick and the Ex manager of Heathrow's T4 have learnt something from this.
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If this rumour is indeed fact then someone in the office has to go.One CSM not being able to cope is a fact of life but 2 within such a short time span is purely bad management.This is both in terms of recruitment and training and someone should be held accountable.
If we messed up like this we would be hauled in on a clause 11.
WHO recommended these two candidates and signed their appliocation forms and WHO was in charge of the training and signed off on their course?
Were these 2 junior and how long had they been supervisors?
If we messed up like this we would be hauled in on a clause 11.
WHO recommended these two candidates and signed their appliocation forms and WHO was in charge of the training and signed off on their course?
Were these 2 junior and how long had they been supervisors?
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Further Promotion
Bear this in mind...
Supervisors who have just been promoted will be up for further promotion to the CSM role next year.
From bluecoat to CSM in 12 months...now thats scary!
Supervisors who have just been promoted will be up for further promotion to the CSM role next year.
From bluecoat to CSM in 12 months...now thats scary!
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Originally Posted by travel thickness
From bluecoat to CSM in 12 months...now thats scary!