The Multi Crew Pilots Licence (MPL)
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The Multi Crew Pilots Licence (MPL)
I have seen bits and pieces of information posted in other threads about the MPL, but would like one thread directly related to this new form of licensing.
From what I can gather, the MPL is solely a way around the pilot shortage which is due to come. I'm not sure what kind of impact this will have on safety so I'll be interested to hear everyones opinion. How will MPL holders be able to get command status on Air Transport aircraft?
From what I can gather, the MPL is solely a way around the pilot shortage which is due to come. I'm not sure what kind of impact this will have on safety so I'll be interested to hear everyones opinion. How will MPL holders be able to get command status on Air Transport aircraft?
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The Alteon Multi-Crew Pilot Licensing (MPL) Program
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Alteon Training L.L.C, a wholly owned subsidiary and training arm of The Boeing Company, has been working closely with major industry partners since October 2005 to develop a new pilot training program to provide jet-ready, airline qualified pilots to the airlines. Boeing’s Current Market Outlook data indicates that the world’s fleet of aircraft will double in the next two decades, which will put increasing pressure on airlines to find qualified, well-trained pilots to operate these new planes.
In response to the industry’s needs, Alteon will be conducting a beta test of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Multi-Crew Pilot License (MPL). Alteon will begin its beta test of a MPL Training Program in Brisbane, Australia, producing the first MPL qualified crew members in mid 2008.
ICAO developed this new license in response to industry concerns that the traditional licensing path was not specifically designed with the airline in mind and did not take advantage of simulation technology to effectively and efficiently train pilots for their role at the airline. The MPL takes a competency based approach to training, shifting the focus from accumulating flight hours to demonstrating competency to perform as an airline crew member.
The Alteon MPL beta test focuses on developing the skills, knowledge, and competencies a crew member will need to perform their role at the airline. The Alteon program will train cadets in a multi-crew environment from the start, integrating theory and practice in both aircraft and simulators to prepare an individual for the First Officer position to about 15 months.
Alteon is conducting the MPL beta program in conjunction with industry partners who have had a chance to review the training program as it was being developed and offer their inputs. Airlines, regulators and suppliers have all been involved in shaping this beta test MPL training program.
Rigorous phase checks will be conducted throughout the process to ensure competency goals are met and the training program will be adjusted accordingly as Alteon and its partners track the cadets’ progress in the beta test. When the cadets complete the beta test, they will go on to fly for their respective airlines where their performance will be monitored and compared with their traditionally trained peers. The learning from this beta test will be evaluated and applied to shape the Alteon MPL training program for each airline customer. Alteon will also employ the lessons learned in the beta test of the MPL training program as it continues to look into more effective and efficient training solutions for airlines.
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Alteon Training L.L.C, a wholly owned subsidiary and training arm of The Boeing Company, has been working closely with major industry partners since October 2005 to develop a new pilot training program to provide jet-ready, airline qualified pilots to the airlines. Boeing’s Current Market Outlook data indicates that the world’s fleet of aircraft will double in the next two decades, which will put increasing pressure on airlines to find qualified, well-trained pilots to operate these new planes.
In response to the industry’s needs, Alteon will be conducting a beta test of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Multi-Crew Pilot License (MPL). Alteon will begin its beta test of a MPL Training Program in Brisbane, Australia, producing the first MPL qualified crew members in mid 2008.
ICAO developed this new license in response to industry concerns that the traditional licensing path was not specifically designed with the airline in mind and did not take advantage of simulation technology to effectively and efficiently train pilots for their role at the airline. The MPL takes a competency based approach to training, shifting the focus from accumulating flight hours to demonstrating competency to perform as an airline crew member.
The Alteon MPL beta test focuses on developing the skills, knowledge, and competencies a crew member will need to perform their role at the airline. The Alteon program will train cadets in a multi-crew environment from the start, integrating theory and practice in both aircraft and simulators to prepare an individual for the First Officer position to about 15 months.
Alteon is conducting the MPL beta program in conjunction with industry partners who have had a chance to review the training program as it was being developed and offer their inputs. Airlines, regulators and suppliers have all been involved in shaping this beta test MPL training program.
Rigorous phase checks will be conducted throughout the process to ensure competency goals are met and the training program will be adjusted accordingly as Alteon and its partners track the cadets’ progress in the beta test. When the cadets complete the beta test, they will go on to fly for their respective airlines where their performance will be monitored and compared with their traditionally trained peers. The learning from this beta test will be evaluated and applied to shape the Alteon MPL training program for each airline customer. Alteon will also employ the lessons learned in the beta test of the MPL training program as it continues to look into more effective and efficient training solutions for airlines.
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1. What is MPL?
MPL is the Multi-Crew Pilot License that ICAO developed in response to airlines’ request for a training path focused specifically on developing airline qualified pilots more efficiently and effectively.
2. How does MPL differ from the traditional pilot training path?
The MPL is an alternative means to train and qualify an airline pilot. A pilot receiving an MPL certificate will have mastered the same knowledge base as the CPL qualified pilot who has received a type rating. Both will have demonstrated ATP-level knowledge and skills and both will need to acquire the initial operating experience and pass the check before becoming ATPL pilots.
3. Why is Alteon conducting a beta test of the MPL?
Alteon wanted to engage the industry in developing an MPL training program in collaboration with airlines, regulators, and other industry participants. Before offering a commercial product, Alteon decided to conduct a beta test of a training program as a learning experience that will help the industry approach future MPL training with a better knowledge base of the efficiencies that can be introduced into training.
4. What response are you getting from the world’s airlines?
Airlines and regulators are very interested in learning more about MPL. This new approach has great potential to develop competent, confident airline pilots more efficiently at a time when the industry demand for pilots is at its highest. The regions experiencing the greatest growth, India and China, are particularly interested in a training solution that will enhance the safety of their aviation environment while better meeting their increased pilot requirements.
5. Isn’t MPL a fast track solution that could compromise safety?
ICAO states as one of the MPL objectives that the training will achieve the same or better results than traditional training methods. Alteon believes MPL training can achieve better results and should because of the focus on airline discipline and procedures. Alteon is conducting the MPL beta and involving the industry to ensure that the MPL training program will be a better, safer training solution that is acceptable to the industry. Safety is not a competitive advantage which is why we’re sharing the lessons we learn as we develop and deliver the MPL beta training program with the industry.
6. Does the shorter training footprint mean pilots have less time and less experience than traditionally trained pilots?
The MPL training program exercises efficiencies that the traditional training path can not. Because training is focused on airline discipline and operations every training lesson is relevant, minimizing the amount of negative training – the learning and unlearning inherent in the traditional training path. That and the efficiency of increased simulator training allow the cadet to focus on mastering the knowledge and skills necessary to be a competent, confident airline pilot. The MPL training program is similar to the training program the military uses for their pilots; it is focused on preparing the pilot for the job minimizing the small airplane work and maximizing the training time in the commercial aircraft.
7. Is Boeing supportive of the MPL scheme?
Boeing is very supportive of the MPL program, as is Airbus and other manufacturers, all of whom work together to ensure a safe flying environment. And all recognize that, with the number of pilots needed to fly the planes they are manufacturing, providing better trained pilots efficiently and effectively is good for the industry.
8. Why did Alteon choose Airline Academy Australia in Brisbane as the test location for the program?
Our team visited many of Australia’s leading flight schools in 2005 recognizing that a number of Asia Pacific airlines look to Australia for primary flight training today. Airline Academy Australia offered the opportunity to host the entire beta test in Brisbane and showed interest and commitment to working together on the MPL beta training program.
9. What qualities should a potential MPL candidate have? How different is it from the selection process for a trainee pilot who is trained in the traditional method?
Whether trained in the traditional manner or through the new MPL approach, the candidate will need to possess the qualities airlines look for which indicate a potential for success in the role. A candidate that would become a competent airline pilot in the traditional training path will become a competent airline pilot through MPL more quickly and more directly.
10. Why should airlines pick the Alteon MPL program over similar programs by other companies?
Alteon has the advantage to have worked with airlines and regulators in developing and delivering the world’s first MPL training program. The lessons learned in our beta test and through discussions with the industry form a solid basis for working with an airline and their regulator in the design of an MPL training solution.
11. How did Alteon select the cadets for this test in Brisbane?
The airlines selected a cadre of cadets using their selection methods. Alteon conducted a second screening of those cadets to select those that would participate in the beta test. Because all of the cadets were acceptable to the airlines, Alteon focused on assembling the most similar in their qualifications to better gauge the success of the training.
12. With the shortened training schedule, will MPL trainees be able to learn everything necessary to be a pilot and be ready to fly a commercial jet upon graduation?
Yes, a student who is trained from the beginning to operate as a crew member progressing through basic flight training in a simple single-engine training aircraft to the complex flight deck of a modern transport airplane will have demonstrated the proficiency and experience to make sound aeronautical decisions. Safety comes from experience; flight experience comes from successfully completing flight maneuvers and tasks in real time without assistance. The focus of the MPL program is on competency, the prove ability to fly the airplane, not total flight time.
13. A large number of recent airplane accidents are due to pilot error. Do you think that today’s pilots are too dependent on technology and automation?
It’s precisely the technology and automation coupled with training that has made air travel the safest mode of transportation. The focus of airline pilot training is managing the technology and being aware of potential threats and errors that could impact the success of a flight. That’s why the Alteon MPL program will employ glass cockpit aircraft at every stage of flight training and incorporate threat and error management from the very first flight lesson.
MPL is the Multi-Crew Pilot License that ICAO developed in response to airlines’ request for a training path focused specifically on developing airline qualified pilots more efficiently and effectively.
2. How does MPL differ from the traditional pilot training path?
The MPL is an alternative means to train and qualify an airline pilot. A pilot receiving an MPL certificate will have mastered the same knowledge base as the CPL qualified pilot who has received a type rating. Both will have demonstrated ATP-level knowledge and skills and both will need to acquire the initial operating experience and pass the check before becoming ATPL pilots.
3. Why is Alteon conducting a beta test of the MPL?
Alteon wanted to engage the industry in developing an MPL training program in collaboration with airlines, regulators, and other industry participants. Before offering a commercial product, Alteon decided to conduct a beta test of a training program as a learning experience that will help the industry approach future MPL training with a better knowledge base of the efficiencies that can be introduced into training.
4. What response are you getting from the world’s airlines?
Airlines and regulators are very interested in learning more about MPL. This new approach has great potential to develop competent, confident airline pilots more efficiently at a time when the industry demand for pilots is at its highest. The regions experiencing the greatest growth, India and China, are particularly interested in a training solution that will enhance the safety of their aviation environment while better meeting their increased pilot requirements.
5. Isn’t MPL a fast track solution that could compromise safety?
ICAO states as one of the MPL objectives that the training will achieve the same or better results than traditional training methods. Alteon believes MPL training can achieve better results and should because of the focus on airline discipline and procedures. Alteon is conducting the MPL beta and involving the industry to ensure that the MPL training program will be a better, safer training solution that is acceptable to the industry. Safety is not a competitive advantage which is why we’re sharing the lessons we learn as we develop and deliver the MPL beta training program with the industry.
6. Does the shorter training footprint mean pilots have less time and less experience than traditionally trained pilots?
The MPL training program exercises efficiencies that the traditional training path can not. Because training is focused on airline discipline and operations every training lesson is relevant, minimizing the amount of negative training – the learning and unlearning inherent in the traditional training path. That and the efficiency of increased simulator training allow the cadet to focus on mastering the knowledge and skills necessary to be a competent, confident airline pilot. The MPL training program is similar to the training program the military uses for their pilots; it is focused on preparing the pilot for the job minimizing the small airplane work and maximizing the training time in the commercial aircraft.
7. Is Boeing supportive of the MPL scheme?
Boeing is very supportive of the MPL program, as is Airbus and other manufacturers, all of whom work together to ensure a safe flying environment. And all recognize that, with the number of pilots needed to fly the planes they are manufacturing, providing better trained pilots efficiently and effectively is good for the industry.
8. Why did Alteon choose Airline Academy Australia in Brisbane as the test location for the program?
Our team visited many of Australia’s leading flight schools in 2005 recognizing that a number of Asia Pacific airlines look to Australia for primary flight training today. Airline Academy Australia offered the opportunity to host the entire beta test in Brisbane and showed interest and commitment to working together on the MPL beta training program.
9. What qualities should a potential MPL candidate have? How different is it from the selection process for a trainee pilot who is trained in the traditional method?
Whether trained in the traditional manner or through the new MPL approach, the candidate will need to possess the qualities airlines look for which indicate a potential for success in the role. A candidate that would become a competent airline pilot in the traditional training path will become a competent airline pilot through MPL more quickly and more directly.
10. Why should airlines pick the Alteon MPL program over similar programs by other companies?
Alteon has the advantage to have worked with airlines and regulators in developing and delivering the world’s first MPL training program. The lessons learned in our beta test and through discussions with the industry form a solid basis for working with an airline and their regulator in the design of an MPL training solution.
11. How did Alteon select the cadets for this test in Brisbane?
The airlines selected a cadre of cadets using their selection methods. Alteon conducted a second screening of those cadets to select those that would participate in the beta test. Because all of the cadets were acceptable to the airlines, Alteon focused on assembling the most similar in their qualifications to better gauge the success of the training.
12. With the shortened training schedule, will MPL trainees be able to learn everything necessary to be a pilot and be ready to fly a commercial jet upon graduation?
Yes, a student who is trained from the beginning to operate as a crew member progressing through basic flight training in a simple single-engine training aircraft to the complex flight deck of a modern transport airplane will have demonstrated the proficiency and experience to make sound aeronautical decisions. Safety comes from experience; flight experience comes from successfully completing flight maneuvers and tasks in real time without assistance. The focus of the MPL program is on competency, the prove ability to fly the airplane, not total flight time.
13. A large number of recent airplane accidents are due to pilot error. Do you think that today’s pilots are too dependent on technology and automation?
It’s precisely the technology and automation coupled with training that has made air travel the safest mode of transportation. The focus of airline pilot training is managing the technology and being aware of potential threats and errors that could impact the success of a flight. That’s why the Alteon MPL program will employ glass cockpit aircraft at every stage of flight training and incorporate threat and error management from the very first flight lesson.
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Thanks for that info. Very informative.
Still a few grey areas though.
Lets look at a few examples....
There's person A, who is a young fella flying around the north in a beat up C210... who has about 500 hours. Him and his family have spent tens of thousands. Now he sees this MPL, and thinks - yes I want to get into an airline! Can he go into this training course
There's person B, who is a someone flying a kingair or similar type of turbo prop... has about 4000 hours... who only wants to get into an airline. Can he go into the MPL training course? What would the difference be compared to getting a Boeing type rating?
Will it be cheaper for CPL or ATPL qualified guys to get an MPL? Will there be a requirement for them to get an MPL at all?
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Still a few grey areas though.
Lets look at a few examples....
There's person A, who is a young fella flying around the north in a beat up C210... who has about 500 hours. Him and his family have spent tens of thousands. Now he sees this MPL, and thinks - yes I want to get into an airline! Can he go into this training course
There's person B, who is a someone flying a kingair or similar type of turbo prop... has about 4000 hours... who only wants to get into an airline. Can he go into the MPL training course? What would the difference be compared to getting a Boeing type rating?
Will it be cheaper for CPL or ATPL qualified guys to get an MPL? Will there be a requirement for them to get an MPL at all?
WWA
ICAO states as one of the MPL objectives that the training will achieve the same or better results than traditional training methods. Alteon believes MPL training can achieve better results and should because of the focus on airline discipline and procedures.
In Western countries where pilots seem to pay for everything these days from initial training to endorsements, how many people are going to be able to afford a MPL anyway? With a continual downward trend in pilots wages, how do they suggest a MPL in Australia will solve a pilot shortage. You will be expected to pay at least $200 000 for initial training to earn maybe $50 000 a year as a 2nd officer. Ok so maybe $90 000 if Virgin took direct entry MPL.
Where will all the turboprop operators who pay in the $30- $60 000 range get their pilots from? I suggest that due to high costs with low returns MPL's will do more damage to the aviation industry than good.
Maybe there's a reason why the Americans won't touch it with a proverbial barge pole.
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errr Neville,
Have a look at our other forums and the US ones too.
Recruiters are lurking in American airport car parks and snatching anyone with 250 hours who can walk unaided to the aircraft and sign for the food stamps programme.
That's for modern, glass turbo-props.
Do try to keep up you lot.
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Have a look at our other forums and the US ones too.
Recruiters are lurking in American airport car parks and snatching anyone with 250 hours who can walk unaided to the aircraft and sign for the food stamps programme.
That's for modern, glass turbo-props.
Do try to keep up you lot.
Regards
Rob
Towers,
It's tough living in the best part of the world where there is actually competition for seats ...
MPL sucks. The Garuda prang shows just what will increasingly happen. I'd rather have an ex-bush-basher who has the guts to shake/thump me out of my dream than a "Captain, I say again..." MPL any day. As well as someone who might, because of his real-world experience, be able to take over and save the day (A320 x 2 into ocean, Flash 737 into ocean). An wet-eared MPL who has been put thru Alteon in BNE on an MPL will not be able to do that.
The MPL is a con. Of course Boeing supports it! If there ain't enough pilots, nobody will buy their jets! I can turn virtually anybody into a REAL airline pilot in a couple of months, provided they can fly. I don't need a MPL course to do that.
Do try to keep up you lot.
MPL sucks. The Garuda prang shows just what will increasingly happen. I'd rather have an ex-bush-basher who has the guts to shake/thump me out of my dream than a "Captain, I say again..." MPL any day. As well as someone who might, because of his real-world experience, be able to take over and save the day (A320 x 2 into ocean, Flash 737 into ocean). An wet-eared MPL who has been put thru Alteon in BNE on an MPL will not be able to do that.
The MPL is a con. Of course Boeing supports it! If there ain't enough pilots, nobody will buy their jets! I can turn virtually anybody into a REAL airline pilot in a couple of months, provided they can fly. I don't need a MPL course to do that.
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Alteon and other training providers don’t really care or believe that their ‘pilot’ pilot sausage factory (as in preliminary) graduates will be better prepared for the right hand seat of a jet. It is just a business, and they have found a potential market – the growing airline industry. Cash is king I’m afraid.
I wouldn’t want to be a passenger on a flight where the Captain keels over with a heart attack, and all that is left up the front is a 300hr MPL graduate. Scary thought. Throw in a diversion due fog on arrival for good measure and kiss your @rse goodbye!
I also think comparing the MPL program to military pilot training is a bit of a stretch. Your cheque book certainly won’t get you your ‘wings’, and you won’t see most of your class mates fail either.
Yes, safety does come from experience. However, flight experience comes from dealing with real in-flight problems by yourself. You can train a monkey to successfully complete ‘supervised unassisted’ flight manoeuvres in real time, but that doesn’t give it experience!
On second thoughts, they do only pay us peanuts.
I wouldn’t want to be a passenger on a flight where the Captain keels over with a heart attack, and all that is left up the front is a 300hr MPL graduate. Scary thought. Throw in a diversion due fog on arrival for good measure and kiss your @rse goodbye!
I also think comparing the MPL program to military pilot training is a bit of a stretch. Your cheque book certainly won’t get you your ‘wings’, and you won’t see most of your class mates fail either.
Safety comes from experience; flight experience comes from successfully completing flight maneuvers and tasks in real time without assistance.
On second thoughts, they do only pay us peanuts.
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Err, Bloggs,
The licence was created over the last ten years by those no GA, bush flying hating, don't bother with the hard yards, ummm South Africans actually.
Not Boeing
Bugger
Meanwhile the softies in Europe have been using cadets for over 50 years.
That's right - more than 50 years. Check on the histories of BA's Hamble, Air France and Lufty. The cadets not only survived but reached retirement. Collectively just these cadets totally dwarf the numbers of every Oz jet rated jockey who's ever flown.
It's different, that's all, just different and it works on a scale you guys don't seem able to imagine.
America doesn't need the licence. They can use their system to hoover up anyone into their regionals at 230 hours. Those as long in the tooth as me will remember the height of the Viet Nam period when the American mags had ads for PPL's to join no hoper shonks like Pan Am, TWA, United and American. Loads of stuff on line now so easy enough to check out the 1967/68 period.
I think they called them cadets.
There's a lot of conditioning gone on in your local market. And a lot of self serving justification.
Rob
The licence was created over the last ten years by those no GA, bush flying hating, don't bother with the hard yards, ummm South Africans actually.
Not Boeing Bugger
Meanwhile the softies in Europe have been using cadets for over 50 years.
That's right - more than 50 years. Check on the histories of BA's Hamble, Air France and Lufty. The cadets not only survived but reached retirement. Collectively just these cadets totally dwarf the numbers of every Oz jet rated jockey who's ever flown.
It's different, that's all, just different and it works on a scale you guys don't seem able to imagine.
America doesn't need the licence. They can use their system to hoover up anyone into their regionals at 230 hours. Those as long in the tooth as me will remember the height of the Viet Nam period when the American mags had ads for PPL's to join no hoper shonks like Pan Am, TWA, United and American. Loads of stuff on line now so easy enough to check out the 1967/68 period.
I think they called them cadets.
There's a lot of conditioning gone on in your local market. And a lot of self serving justification.
Rob
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IMHO, the MPL has been a foreseeable eventuality. Most of the posters here have mentioned experience. The whole intent of electronic cockpits and the implementation of procedures throughout the entire aviation industry is to reduce the reliance on experience. I would argue that hours in GA aircraft are far more pertinent for GA flying than hours in an airline aircraft are for airline flying.
Guys, Guys, Guys.....!
I keep asking this question on other threads,
Can anyone tell me what is stopping any airline from putting an endorsed bare ME/IFR/CPL with say, 250 hours total time into the right seat of their aircraft today?
If the answer is something like, the MPL will make all the diference, I think a reality check may be in order.
Gotta love the spin though!
I keep asking this question on other threads,
Can anyone tell me what is stopping any airline from putting an endorsed bare ME/IFR/CPL with say, 250 hours total time into the right seat of their aircraft today?
If the answer is something like, the MPL will make all the diference, I think a reality check may be in order.
Gotta love the spin though!
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Though obviously a strong sales pitch, thankyou Left Wing for the first thorough, yet readable description of MPL I've come across. Though i've a few reservations on how well some real time components will be covered/substituted by this form of training, there must be huge potential to be accessed through advances in ICT and sim development. Surely its just a logical extension of what has already occured over the last couple of decades in commercial aviation worldwide and is comparable to similar training developments in many vocations, from teaching traindrivers to surgeons.
Lodown's "I would argue that hours in GA aircraft are far more pertinent for GA flying than hours in an airline aircraft are for airline flying." (Just in case you are wondering we are not related!) sums up the justification for MPL in one sentence. I'd argue that the gap is now widening dramatically.
Krusty.. there are hours and then there are hours
Jus my thoughts
Lodown's "I would argue that hours in GA aircraft are far more pertinent for GA flying than hours in an airline aircraft are for airline flying." (Just in case you are wondering we are not related!) sums up the justification for MPL in one sentence. I'd argue that the gap is now widening dramatically.
Krusty.. there are hours and then there are hours
Jus my thoughts
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I don't fly for a living anymore, but the thing I find amusing with the whole experience debate is that in one thread - Pilot shortage is here - people are speculating the minimums might be dropped, so potentially a 250hr MECIR could get a job which is an excellent thing in that thread. Come here and talk about an MCPL suddenly that 250hr MECIR pilot isn't quite good enough anymore and we would rather someone with 5000hrs.
Theres hours and theres hours? Well which is it??? Keep the minimums or is a 250 MECIR pilot enough enough for a RHS job? (Yes I know 250hrs is different to a MCPL but the intent is the same)
Theres hours and theres hours? Well which is it??? Keep the minimums or is a 250 MECIR pilot enough enough for a RHS job? (Yes I know 250hrs is different to a MCPL but the intent is the same)
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https://erau.blackboard.com/@@DE946F...itio%20Tng.pdf
This is an article I obtained in one of my Flight Test Simulation classes.
This is an article I obtained in one of my Flight Test Simulation classes.
Folks,
Haven't any of you read the post from the DCPPT of the Towers, the MPL is little more than a new name, and an amendment to ICAO Annex 1, to cover what has been going on since the early '60's.
Read and read again, it's fact !!
Isn't 50 years of experience and many thousands of pilots enough to show it works.
The retirement of BOAC/BEA Hamble graduates is now down to somewhere beyond 20 Course.
In all that wonderful European weather ( I wonder why that's where most of the CAT 111 installations and approaches are found, in numbers per square mile ??) 2-300 hours to start in the RHS (No, Not Richard Harold) is the rule, rather than the exception.
Same same Japan, Singapore and Malaysia for about as long, China more recently.
Tootle pip!!
PS: There is nothing stopping an airline hiring anybody, but they will certainly be hiring whoever they regard as best qualified, that might just be an MPL holder.
Haven't any of you read the post from the DCPPT of the Towers, the MPL is little more than a new name, and an amendment to ICAO Annex 1, to cover what has been going on since the early '60's.
Read and read again, it's fact !!
Isn't 50 years of experience and many thousands of pilots enough to show it works.
The retirement of BOAC/BEA Hamble graduates is now down to somewhere beyond 20 Course.
In all that wonderful European weather ( I wonder why that's where most of the CAT 111 installations and approaches are found, in numbers per square mile ??) 2-300 hours to start in the RHS (No, Not Richard Harold) is the rule, rather than the exception.
Same same Japan, Singapore and Malaysia for about as long, China more recently.
Tootle pip!!
PS: There is nothing stopping an airline hiring anybody, but they will certainly be hiring whoever they regard as best qualified, that might just be an MPL holder.
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What exactly is an MPL "BETA" course. I note that the current Alteon "Beta" course running in Brisbane is actually for Asian cadets only? Is that because of the pilot shortage in Australia where there are no pilots to spare to go on the course?
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Bloggs,
Your attitude to the MPL totally reflects your attitude to anyone else that may happen to be in the priveliged position to be at the control's of an aircraft,unless it is you of course!
The fact is that, even you have been facilitating this "development" of pilots throughout your career within your current employment,albiet under a different guise,cadet I believe! You seriously need to drag your archaic ways and beliefs into the real world,especially with your new ride
Your attitude to the MPL totally reflects your attitude to anyone else that may happen to be in the priveliged position to be at the control's of an aircraft,unless it is you of course!
The fact is that, even you have been facilitating this "development" of pilots throughout your career within your current employment,albiet under a different guise,cadet I believe! You seriously need to drag your archaic ways and beliefs into the real world,especially with your new ride
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Bloggsy, ask the Dep. PP CP about the accident rate in the countries mentioned V Oz 
If it was'nt for the Skygods, we'd still be on zero.........dammit
Oh well, 1 accident ( nil fatalities ) in 40 odd years of jets aint too bad...........hows yours Rob
If it was'nt for the Skygods, we'd still be on zero.........dammit
Oh well, 1 accident ( nil fatalities ) in 40 odd years of jets aint too bad...........hows yours Rob