National Jet Systems - Recruiting.
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National Jet Systems - Recruiting.
Well it seems NJS/Cobham are on the hunt. I hear lots of boys and girls are having interviews and many will have an early present from Santa (GR).
What is the news? New contracts coming up?
What is the news? New contracts coming up?
Beaver, there is no pay cut in the wings for current NJS QFLink staff.
Someone has already posted the proposed conditions for NJS employees, but I can't find it.
The NJS guys have actually been very quiet about this on here, it's been out for a little while now.
Someone has already posted the proposed conditions for NJS employees, but I can't find it.
The NJS guys have actually been very quiet about this on here, it's been out for a little while now.
The current 717 contract finishes sometime next year. Whether they extend and expand or knock the whole thing on the head would depend on the negotiations between QF and NJS.
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You really need to find a more reliable source you are WRONG again.
No pay cuts, they are trying to replace CPI with a constant % increase.
No pay cuts, they are trying to replace CPI with a constant % increase.
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You really need to find a more reliable source you are WRONG again.
No pay cuts, they are trying to reduce CPI with a constant % increase.
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You really need to find a more reliable source you are WRONG again.
No pay cuts, they are trying to reduce CPI with a constant % increase.
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'B scale' wages are being introduced for new pilots and F/A's with bonds being introduced right across the company as a whole, not just pilots.
With no disrespect to the NJS crews, if 'The Voice' is correct, then this must be a first... i.e. A 'B' scale being introduced to a Low cost operator!! 
(NJS being the lower cost operation to QF)
(NJS being the lower cost operation to QF)
It really depends on what you define as a pay cut. If you classify a level of pay as a certain amount of spending power, then NJS pilots have been taking pay cuts for years. The current proposal will INCREASE the reduction of spending power. In pure numbers terms, it's a less of a pay rise. In spending terms, it's a bigger kick in the guts.
They're not recruiting, they're interviewing. Beware the contents of the poisoned chalice.
Bocs,
You raise an interesting point. How far should current employees go (if they can) to stop management introducing a B scale?
They're not recruiting, they're interviewing. Beware the contents of the poisoned chalice.
Bocs,
You raise an interesting point. How far should current employees go (if they can) to stop management introducing a B scale?
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There is a considerable amount of discussion going on about this within NJS. Probably the reason that you have not heard three fifths of farkall about it is that NJS pilots know full well that whatever they talk about on here, some (or several) wankers will grab the wrong end of the stick, jump to all sorts of conclusions and end up by slanging off at managers, beancounters and worst of all other pilots.
The one thing that might be worth saying on Pprune, is this....
Any pilot currently considering a job offer for any of NJS 717, 146 or D8 should be made fully aware that they will most likely be offered a position on significantly less conditions than their colleagues.
Current base salary for 717 and 146 at NJS is around $125k for Captain and $75k for FO. There is no increment for years of service. One proposal has new pilots being offered $100k Captain and $60k FO. And they will have possibly signed up to pay for all or part of their type rating as well as a bond. And possibly be locked in to those conditions for 5 years as the market for experienced jet pilots strengthens.
Before anybody jumps in and says 'how can NJS pilots allow this?' the first thing you should know is they are damned unhappy about it. The second thing you should know is that their opinion or actions on this matter are probably completely irrelevent.
The "WorkChoices" legislation introduced by the current federal government allows any employer the ability to offer any terms and conditions they like to new employees or pilots changing classification.
So if you want to blame anybody for erosion of pilot conditions from here on, blame the Australians that voted in a majority Liberal senate.
The one thing that might be worth saying on Pprune, is this....
Any pilot currently considering a job offer for any of NJS 717, 146 or D8 should be made fully aware that they will most likely be offered a position on significantly less conditions than their colleagues.
Current base salary for 717 and 146 at NJS is around $125k for Captain and $75k for FO. There is no increment for years of service. One proposal has new pilots being offered $100k Captain and $60k FO. And they will have possibly signed up to pay for all or part of their type rating as well as a bond. And possibly be locked in to those conditions for 5 years as the market for experienced jet pilots strengthens.
Before anybody jumps in and says 'how can NJS pilots allow this?' the first thing you should know is they are damned unhappy about it. The second thing you should know is that their opinion or actions on this matter are probably completely irrelevent.
The "WorkChoices" legislation introduced by the current federal government allows any employer the ability to offer any terms and conditions they like to new employees or pilots changing classification.
So if you want to blame anybody for erosion of pilot conditions from here on, blame the Australians that voted in a majority Liberal senate.
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ITCZ,
I think your right. Don't blame the existing Pilot's at NJS for something they don't have total control over.
It's the NEW pilots who accept this deal who are to blame. Unfortunately $60K as a jet F/O is still better than $45K as a Bras F/O so its going to be hard to say no and I would say there will be a few takers. The people who take this sort of deal are the ones using jobs like this as a stepping stone to a bigger Airline. Unfortunately, the ones who see NJS as a long term prospect are the ones who suffer.
I think your right. Don't blame the existing Pilot's at NJS for something they don't have total control over.
It's the NEW pilots who accept this deal who are to blame. Unfortunately $60K as a jet F/O is still better than $45K as a Bras F/O so its going to be hard to say no and I would say there will be a few takers. The people who take this sort of deal are the ones using jobs like this as a stepping stone to a bigger Airline. Unfortunately, the ones who see NJS as a long term prospect are the ones who suffer.
It's the NEW pilots who accept this deal who are to blame.
The real people to blame are the employers who are using our love of flying to their own ends by lowering conditions (in some cases to prop up their bureaucracies). The politics of envy plays a big part too. And John Howard's Workchoices doesn't make things any easier.
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In fact NJS have often been very lucky in whom they have working for them. A good number of ex-CASA FOI, plenty of ex-military folk from all services including QFIs and fast jet pilots, lots of 89ers with plenty of jet airline experience. Lots of former chief pilots, chief flying instructors, etc. From what I hear there are only three or four pilots out of the lot that did not at least hold a two crew turboprop command before finding themselves as a 146 or 717 FO. Like a lot of operators when they hire an FO they are hopefully hiring someone that they can promote to Captain one day. NJS certainly looked for people that had 'a little bit extra.' Not so much in terms of being hotshot pilots but pilots that can take on some of the extra challenges of flying the 146 or 717 into poorly supported locations, as against buzzing between capital city aerodromes with easy access to maintenance, catering, etc.
I reckon they will have trouble attracting the kind of people they are used to getting.