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Things are not good but, if I wanted to work o/s I would. I don't so I am happy with my lot, I just don't want it to get worse.
If it does I may consider a job earning $A100k before tax, and living some where I don't want to be.
Until then you enjoy your self over there and we will enjoy ourselves over here.
Cheers
Sport, if you can live in Darwin, you can certainly manage most Asian cities. Why not get paid what you are worth considering your level of skill and responsibility, not to mention the considerable cost of your training ?
If you are happy on the sort of money most people working semi skilled jobs on the mines take for granted good for you.
Conditions in Australia are heading downwards, driven by oversupply of pilots willing to accept anything just to be home, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. "Of course I will work for $400/week, live in a donga, wash the aircraft and pay for my own endorsement, just give me a job."
Life here is great, if you can accept the differences.
If you are happy on the sort of money most people working semi skilled jobs on the mines take for granted good for you.
Conditions in Australia are heading downwards, driven by oversupply of pilots willing to accept anything just to be home, and I can't see that changing anytime soon. "Of course I will work for $400/week, live in a donga, wash the aircraft and pay for my own endorsement, just give me a job."
Life here is great, if you can accept the differences.
I grossed 155K last year, I am happy enough with that.
I do not have to pay for any training, and happy about that.
I have absolutely no intention of moving to any Asian city, and extremely happy about that.
Your welcome to live where you want and I am happy about that.
Money isn't everything old mate.
BUT
if they drive conditions down, then I won't be happy, niether will my colleagues, and we may move, hopefully not to an Asian city but who knows.
I do not have to pay for any training, and happy about that.
I have absolutely no intention of moving to any Asian city, and extremely happy about that.
Your welcome to live where you want and I am happy about that.
Money isn't everything old mate.
BUT
if they drive conditions down, then I won't be happy, niether will my colleagues, and we may move, hopefully not to an Asian city but who knows.
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What to do???
Hi guys
New to the website and are just wondering what you would recommend some one who want to move back home (Sweden, EU) to do as far as getting a good job. Right now sitting on 5000hrs, 1500 jet (C650)
New to the website and are just wondering what you would recommend some one who want to move back home (Sweden, EU) to do as far as getting a good job. Right now sitting on 5000hrs, 1500 jet (C650)
Maybe. However, since they've already decided what they will be paying new hires, perhaps they are genuinely interested in finding out how close or far off expectations they are.
I think they are some way off the mark and am no longer interested in working for them.
I think they are some way off the mark and am no longer interested in working for them.
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Can just imagine a newbie at the interview being offered a jet job and a 100% increase in pay ( on what he's used to ) saying " well actually, thats a bit less than I'd hoped for and I think you are lowering industry standards " ...............yeh right, wot a crock of 5hit.
All that will serve is to give the CIA a warm fuzzy feeling.
All that will serve is to give the CIA a warm fuzzy feeling.
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I have seen the documentation and the bottom line is the QF are being blamed by NJS/Cobham for a requirement to;
a/. introduce a B scale. It is even referred to as such in the paperwork, and
b/. Introduce pay for play and bonding to new and current employees...across the board not just pilots,
in exchange for 5 years of relative stability in T&Cs, profit sharing and payrises every year not dependant on CPI...what that means is that the pay rises won't be better than CPI so in real terms the wage increases will be be more like pay cuts in real terms...i.e you will be less well off as each year rolls around. I would bet folding money the profit sharing won't be sufficient to offset the reduction in inflation corrected after tax $ over time.
Now I am not against requiring new employees to be type rated before employement...we would all prefer otherwise but realistically it is not THAT draconian a requirement.
Requiring current employees to pay for their training in any way shape or form for subsequent types the company chooses to employ in the course of their operations is an obscenity...bond yes but pay to play and bonding is just taking the piss.
They make a feeble suggestion that worries about a C scale in 5 years are unfounded...on what basis...GD's kind heartedness?
This is the second time they have gone to the pilots in this manner in the last few years...and the pilots are still expected to not consider another bite at the cherry being taken in 5 yrs time?
I think that would be an unrealistic expectation on the part of Cobhams.
If a business model requires such subsidisation from it's employees perhaps the business model is a bad one.
a/. introduce a B scale. It is even referred to as such in the paperwork, and
b/. Introduce pay for play and bonding to new and current employees...across the board not just pilots,
in exchange for 5 years of relative stability in T&Cs, profit sharing and payrises every year not dependant on CPI...what that means is that the pay rises won't be better than CPI so in real terms the wage increases will be be more like pay cuts in real terms...i.e you will be less well off as each year rolls around. I would bet folding money the profit sharing won't be sufficient to offset the reduction in inflation corrected after tax $ over time.
Now I am not against requiring new employees to be type rated before employement...we would all prefer otherwise but realistically it is not THAT draconian a requirement.
Requiring current employees to pay for their training in any way shape or form for subsequent types the company chooses to employ in the course of their operations is an obscenity...bond yes but pay to play and bonding is just taking the piss.
They make a feeble suggestion that worries about a C scale in 5 years are unfounded...on what basis...GD's kind heartedness?
This is the second time they have gone to the pilots in this manner in the last few years...and the pilots are still expected to not consider another bite at the cherry being taken in 5 yrs time?
I think that would be an unrealistic expectation on the part of Cobhams.
If a business model requires such subsidisation from it's employees perhaps the business model is a bad one.
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Of course CIA are blaming QF, because they are one of the most pathetic management ( or mis management ) teams you will ever come across.
The QFlink contract has always been run inefficiently dating back to Uncle Wazza's day when NJS used to get paid by the minute and QF paid for the fuel, and the 146s ran around at .62, pilots would even choke the thing back to .56 so as not to get in early and make money for Wazza.
Well, guess what, I never believed that screwing the client was a very good idea and now it's coming home to roost.
As I've said before, I will bet you London to a brick that QF have looked at the operating cost and reliability of the 717 over the past 18mths and have decided that if NJS cant do it properly, then QF will not be paying for it.
Of course, the only way the CIA know how to make money is to screw the people that make the money for them
The QFlink contract has always been run inefficiently dating back to Uncle Wazza's day when NJS used to get paid by the minute and QF paid for the fuel, and the 146s ran around at .62, pilots would even choke the thing back to .56 so as not to get in early and make money for Wazza.
Well, guess what, I never believed that screwing the client was a very good idea and now it's coming home to roost.
As I've said before, I will bet you London to a brick that QF have looked at the operating cost and reliability of the 717 over the past 18mths and have decided that if NJS cant do it properly, then QF will not be paying for it.
Of course, the only way the CIA know how to make money is to screw the people that make the money for them
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The CIA are blaming QF coz they have to, anything else looks like failure. If I was sitting in that ivory tower I'd be blaming everything including the WX. They lost control long ago and they have to squeeze staff coz there's nothing else to squeeze. This is about survival, look at why the poms grabbed NJS. Was it for QLink? Or some other large contract that was due for tender? What is Cobhams core business, not RPT I'm fairly sure? I just hope NJS don't die a slow death but get stronger with time. That is with more 146 contracts and winning the 717's without the constant threat of if you don't you're gone. Good luck people.
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Of course, the only way the CIA know how to make money is to screw the people that make the money for them......nice quote cunninglinguist, bit hypocritical of you though considering you work for Jetstar! Bet you slept easy the night after you voted to undercut Qantas mainline by 40%?
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I did'nt vote on anything Pete, and your incessant fixation with Jet* and your ability to introduce it to just about any thread borders on insanity.
( by the way, nice effort on one of the other threads, you made it to second place....the first loser
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My interest In NJS ( before you ask ) is that I did 13 long years with them and still have alot of mates there, and don't like seeing the CIA screwing those mates ( and the others ) constantly because of their poor management.
Why you are so insanely jealous about Jet* is anyones guess, I assume they knocked you back and now you are really p'd, well thank christ they did.
Goes to show the Jet* interview process really does work
Oh and BTW, nobody voted to undercut QF by 40%, they voted to undercut some contract company that, no doubt, GD and AJ would have used.
( by the way, nice effort on one of the other threads, you made it to second place....the first loser
)My interest In NJS ( before you ask ) is that I did 13 long years with them and still have alot of mates there, and don't like seeing the CIA screwing those mates ( and the others ) constantly because of their poor management.
Why you are so insanely jealous about Jet* is anyones guess, I assume they knocked you back and now you are really p'd, well thank christ they did.
Goes to show the Jet* interview process really does work
Oh and BTW, nobody voted to undercut QF by 40%, they voted to undercut some contract company that, no doubt, GD and AJ would have used.
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I hate to break up a good bitch fight but can anyone report on the njs maint at perth, I understand some engineers have taken voluntary redundancy and a few more have resigned, I guess its all heading for the engineerless tarmac literally. when does HD leave and how long before contracts start to follow him?
Cunning
Re this comment of yours
its a case of glass houses.
I tend to agree with some of your comments, yet you have this incessant fixation on anything WA, particularly NJS.
I know where it comes from, you may be right!!! but you do work for Jetstar and they are easily the most despised pilot group in Australia at the moment, rightly or wrongly.
Its a bit out there, for a Jetstar pilot to bag other organisations all day and then be offended by the same in return?
Don't mean to start a slanging match, but I have to adderss a comment you made earlier, regarding efficiency etc.
NJS has cleaned its efficiency act up recently, apart from RVSM, its pretty smooth running.(thanks to the crews and engineers, NOT management) Our on time departures are better than Jetstar ever achieved. Sorry if that offends.
your incessant fixation with Jet*
I tend to agree with some of your comments, yet you have this incessant fixation on anything WA, particularly NJS.
I know where it comes from, you may be right!!! but you do work for Jetstar and they are easily the most despised pilot group in Australia at the moment, rightly or wrongly.
Its a bit out there, for a Jetstar pilot to bag other organisations all day and then be offended by the same in return?
Don't mean to start a slanging match, but I have to adderss a comment you made earlier, regarding efficiency etc.
NJS has cleaned its efficiency act up recently, apart from RVSM, its pretty smooth running.(thanks to the crews and engineers, NOT management) Our on time departures are better than Jetstar ever achieved. Sorry if that offends.
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Never applied to J* linguist so shot down there. Never wanted to fly for them. Shot down there again.....whats your fixation with NJS? As RENURPP suggested, your all fine and dandy till someone gives you a home truth, then you squeal like a stuck pig.
Forgive me linguist, I forget all the good work that J* has done for the industry...Bwaaa haaa haa.
Forgive me linguist, I forget all the good work that J* has done for the industry...Bwaaa haaa haa.
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You blokes really fly aeroplanes ?? coz you are as thick as 2 short planks, end on end
QUOTE:
My interest In NJS ( before you ask ) is that I did 13 long years with them and still have alot of mates there, and don't like seeing the CIA screwing those mates ( and the others ) constantly because of their poor management.
I've showed you mine, now you show me yours, what's your fixation with Jet* ? I am now 100% convinced they knocked both of you back, evidenced by the fact that most of the NJS DRW skippers had a go at getting in after they saw the difference between the operations. ( yes, I know you will deny that till you're blue in the face )
Yes I am offended RENBURRP, because you are having a go at the Jet* pilots not the common enemy.....management, I don't believe I have ever bagged the NJS pilot group as such, even though you are on the worst pay and conditions in Oz ( RPT Jet ) and about to have them reduced even further: 2% payrise a year=1.5% paycut, pay for your own upgrade on same type, B scale for newbies....yep, what a wonderful outfit.
( just remember you were always around 6K less than Jet* for flying the same A/C and you paid 15k for your training which you may/may not get back, and no staff travel, 2 hours extra before O/T kicks in, 1k pay cut in year 1 )
You undercut the " most despised pilot group in Australia " what does that make you ??
Where do you get your info from?? you've gone from just over 80% on time performance to over 95% in 6 months have you? complete bull
( although, most of you have proabably worked out the release the park brake thing to give false on time departures, similar to calling 10 minutes late, on time in the 146 )
and I was'nt actually referring to on-time performance anyway, what are your ASKs or RPKs, you, or anyone else there, would'nt have a clue. ( was the Jet* engineer that went to Darwin to help fix your woeful dispatch reliability problem a figment of everybody's imagination )
" Apart from RVSM "................ and the fact that most of you carry tons of fuel everywhere for no reason other than lack of good flight planning ( have the flight files got anywhere near the correct burns on them yet ?? ) .
You see Burrrp, I know everything about your crappy little GA outfit coz I was there ( probably longer than you ) and you know nothing about mine other than the %85 bull5hit you read here.
In 2 years time ren, I'll return and we'll compare pay and conditions, how does that sound ?? ( 10 years would be alot more interesting )
and Pete, relax, take a chill pill, keep going to therapy and taking the tablets, and re-apply in 3 years, I might even put in a good word for you and Ren
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QUOTE:
My interest In NJS ( before you ask ) is that I did 13 long years with them and still have alot of mates there, and don't like seeing the CIA screwing those mates ( and the others ) constantly because of their poor management.
I've showed you mine, now you show me yours, what's your fixation with Jet* ? I am now 100% convinced they knocked both of you back, evidenced by the fact that most of the NJS DRW skippers had a go at getting in after they saw the difference between the operations. ( yes, I know you will deny that till you're blue in the face )
Yes I am offended RENBURRP, because you are having a go at the Jet* pilots not the common enemy.....management, I don't believe I have ever bagged the NJS pilot group as such, even though you are on the worst pay and conditions in Oz ( RPT Jet ) and about to have them reduced even further: 2% payrise a year=1.5% paycut, pay for your own upgrade on same type, B scale for newbies....yep, what a wonderful outfit.
( just remember you were always around 6K less than Jet* for flying the same A/C and you paid 15k for your training which you may/may not get back, and no staff travel, 2 hours extra before O/T kicks in, 1k pay cut in year 1 )
You undercut the " most despised pilot group in Australia " what does that make you ??
Where do you get your info from?? you've gone from just over 80% on time performance to over 95% in 6 months have you? complete bull
( although, most of you have proabably worked out the release the park brake thing to give false on time departures, similar to calling 10 minutes late, on time in the 146 )and I was'nt actually referring to on-time performance anyway, what are your ASKs or RPKs, you, or anyone else there, would'nt have a clue. ( was the Jet* engineer that went to Darwin to help fix your woeful dispatch reliability problem a figment of everybody's imagination )
" Apart from RVSM "................ and the fact that most of you carry tons of fuel everywhere for no reason other than lack of good flight planning ( have the flight files got anywhere near the correct burns on them yet ?? ) .
You see Burrrp, I know everything about your crappy little GA outfit coz I was there ( probably longer than you ) and you know nothing about mine other than the %85 bull5hit you read here.
In 2 years time ren, I'll return and we'll compare pay and conditions, how does that sound ?? ( 10 years would be alot more interesting )
and Pete, relax, take a chill pill, keep going to therapy and taking the tablets, and re-apply in 3 years, I might even put in a good word for you and Ren
Over and Out
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I have a good job flying linguist, I don't feel it necessary to sell my soul to the devil and become one of many expendable pilots flying for the splodgestar, but thanks for the offer...seeing you failed QF stage one, I'm happy to throw a reciprocal word in for you however, what do ya reckon?
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It's so simple it hurts.......
Don't accept less conditions!
We fight ourselves by taking clearly obvious reduced pay and conditions just 'to get the job' or the 'foot in the door'!!???
Then we wonder why we chose this career!
If we want to fly for nicks get a real job in another sector and join a parachute club!
At this rate in five years we'll be signing 10 year bonds to pay for our type course- bloody clever A.
Avaition is not a priveledge...it's a business that we are eroding the conditions of disprortinately to the cost of training in and the responsibility the job holds.
Go drive busses if you just want to take what's given, your easily replaceable then.
Don't accept less conditions!
We fight ourselves by taking clearly obvious reduced pay and conditions just 'to get the job' or the 'foot in the door'!!???
Then we wonder why we chose this career!
If we want to fly for nicks get a real job in another sector and join a parachute club!
At this rate in five years we'll be signing 10 year bonds to pay for our type course- bloody clever A.
Avaition is not a priveledge...it's a business that we are eroding the conditions of disprortinately to the cost of training in and the responsibility the job holds.
Go drive busses if you just want to take what's given, your easily replaceable then.