QF S/O gripe site
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QF S/O gripe site
Ok, who can reveal the QF second officer site that gives us a run down on all the wonderful Captains they get to fly with. A google search dosnt lead to anything!!
Too late Outback Jack.
It was closed down last week after the Deputy Chief sent out the letter saying that he didn't want to stand next to anyone in a Qantas uniform who had contributed to the site.
It was closed down last week after the Deputy Chief sent out the letter saying that he didn't want to stand next to anyone in a Qantas uniform who had contributed to the site.
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Same, A Google search didnt reveal anything....Although the website Captain something Captain may ring a bell (again nothing on Google)
Goooone!
A well frequented site amongst GA types, but obviously a well kept secret in QAN.
No respect or manners left in this day or age!
Be it GA or Airline for that matter!!
A well frequented site amongst GA types, but obviously a well kept secret in QAN.
No respect or manners left in this day or age!
Be it GA or Airline for that matter!!
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Fancy Captains being the subject of non-adulatory comparisons. 
Is there a web site where the captains amongst us can compare notes on the first and second officers we fly with?
Rest assured, for every foible a captain displays, non-captains display equally.
Is there a web site where the captains amongst us can compare notes on the first and second officers we fly with?
Rest assured, for every foible a captain displays, non-captains display equally.
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What seems to be the problem?
Hey, bearing in mind that I know nothing about working in airlines (like most things), can someone in the know cut to the chase and maybe give me some idea of why they (the wonderful Captains you get to fly with) are so bad?
I would've thought they'd be good role models...with a lot to teach/show you. What makes them so 'wonderful'?
Just curious. PM me if preferred.
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I would've thought they'd be good role models...with a lot to teach/show you. What makes them so 'wonderful'?
Just curious. PM me if preferred.
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May I add that, as a LAME who came up from G.A. to the airlines, without exception in my organisation, the Captains are great to work with, and I only find the rare ego attitude from some green F.O.s
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Let me tell you there are some dead set tossers among the F/O-S/O brigade, just as there are some really good blokes/girls also.
The ones who amaze me are a few who regulary post anti company sentiment on Qrewroom under their own names. Good luck when they have a small operational problem one day, or go for that command after years of waiting. They will want to be perfect human beings.
Might be a good idea to start looking for a job somewhere else that suits better.
The ones who amaze me are a few who regulary post anti company sentiment on Qrewroom under their own names. Good luck when they have a small operational problem one day, or go for that command after years of waiting. They will want to be perfect human beings.
Might be a good idea to start looking for a job somewhere else that suits better.
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Are you suggesting that anyone's expressed opinion might influence their subsequent training outcomes or the company's implementation of its obligations under the pilot's agreement?
I don't condone slander and/or mischievous deception to skew preceptions. I can't condone 'sickies' and slackness etc as a reaction to company conduct. Evidently neither does QF if the anecdotes of people who've been called to account for their views after putting them on qrewroom are to be believed. But in the current 'climate' is it so surprising that some express largely concerns, largely unaddressed by management, about their prospects?
ps I'm not saying you're wrong about 'dead set tossers' either, but to me we all fall into the statistical averages of humanity in general; it's really not rank dependent. Some are just pi$$ed that the S/Os had the technical wherewithall to make it happen and wish they'd thought of it first!
I don't condone slander and/or mischievous deception to skew preceptions. I can't condone 'sickies' and slackness etc as a reaction to company conduct. Evidently neither does QF if the anecdotes of people who've been called to account for their views after putting them on qrewroom are to be believed. But in the current 'climate' is it so surprising that some express largely concerns, largely unaddressed by management, about their prospects?
ps I'm not saying you're wrong about 'dead set tossers' either, but to me we all fall into the statistical averages of humanity in general; it's really not rank dependent. Some are just pi$$ed that the S/Os had the technical wherewithall to make it happen and wish they'd thought of it first!
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It was closed down last week after the Deputy Chief sent out the letter saying that he didn't want to stand next to anyone in a Qantas uniform who had contributed to the site
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Why is it accepted for (some) QF Captains to treat S/O's like crap yet they cannot handle it when it comes back their way.
What loyality & sense of pride (sorry, the word is engagement) this must instill in those that are the future of QF.
I guess as their boss, he can dish out the discipline that he sees as appropriate. It's just a pity these days, that the me me, now now brigade shows little respect for anyone in authority, be it the boss, police, teachers or parents, (or captains).
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Many management programs cite the willingness of the follower to tell the truth as the single most important characteristic of follower. It is in the best interests of the crew that an effective follower shares his or her best counsel with the person in charge of their applicable work group. This could be the Captain for safety related issues of the CSS or CSM for service related issues. From a leader’s perspective, silence- not dissent- is the issue to be avoided. It is ironic then that the follower who voices dissent in an appropriate manner and who may face possible retribution (from an insecure or ineffective leader?) is showing exactly the kind of initiative that effective leadership is made of.
Riddler, you make some decent points but unfortunately you haven't read the letter and so you're missing some fundamental things. DCP made it very clear that he was writing the letter as a QF driver and not as DCP and that it was a personal opinion and not a company one. Therefore no company intimidation involved.
As with everything there are two sides to this to this letter. The S/O site is just an IT solution ot the old grape vine as to the habits and traits of some of our crew- I understand that some F/Os and S/Os cop a slagging on the site too. I've never see the site though.
There are a couple of other things but I need to go and pick up mini-Kegette from school.
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Overheard recently in Australian airspace (SYD from memory).....open mike sound followed by an angry voice "xxxx this is the Captain. Can you go to crew rest and find out what the S/O is up to. His rest period ended 6 minutes ago..." This elicited various replies on frequency along the lines of "yeah, you run a tight ship", "give him a pay cut", "give him a pay rise" etc. No-one said the obvious though.."if his name is Warren, just leave him alone!"
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Outside of work S/Os and F/Os should be entitled to express their opinions amongst themselves, in the absence of any real system to address these issues, which is what this appears to have been. Many captains are unapproachable about poor CRM. I strongly believe respect goes two ways, if my fellow crew member (junior to me or otherwise) is to give me respect, I owe them equal respect. Just because some folks aren't allowed to land the machine doesn't mean they are useless young wippersnappers. I think this site should have been ringing alarm bells with mister chief, it has sprouted from a sub-culture of certain skippers who have bad CRM and make themselves unavailable for constructive criticism. Yes some S/Os and F/Os are whingers, and many are far from perfect themselves, but its commonplace for a skipper to put them back in their box (most of the time in a constructive beneficial manner). There is next to no reciprocation of this (aside from those with enormous testicles). If the deputy chief wanted to better the company, he should have used this information to improve CRM amongst ALL crew, instead of muting the ones with least authority.