Another Qantas rumor
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It may or may not be off subject, but the annual invitation of apprenticeship applications in aerospace trades have been delayed as no one seems to know yet if there are going to be any, or how many in 2006.
Must be some number crunching going on in the hallowed halls of Sydney.
Must be some number crunching going on in the hallowed halls of Sydney.
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I didn't know that there was any B737 maintenance work being done at Avalon - I thought that it was confined to B747/B744. A few months ago QF signed a lease for the fifth hangar (No 1) as they needed extra capacity as more B747 work is shifted out of Sydney. It wouldn't make much sense to acquire the extra hangar it you are going to downsize.
I believe that when QF announces its new aircraft orders in the next month or so, then we'll have a better idea of ground engineers careers - I'm sure that senior management already know.
I didn't know that there was any B737 maintenance work being done at Avalon - I thought that it was confined to B747/B744. A few months ago QF signed a lease for the fifth hangar (No 1) as they needed extra capacity as more B747 work is shifted out of Sydney. It wouldn't make much sense to acquire the extra hangar it you are going to downsize.
I believe that when QF announces its new aircraft orders in the next month or so, then we'll have a better idea of ground engineers careers - I'm sure that senior management already know.
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My sources tell me that the 737NG are going to go over seas for servicing and to keep the troops from going troppo they are going to be given the chance to redeploy to avalon. That would mean that some of the Avalon numbers have to be culled to make space.
The 5th hangar is still a go as they are definately trying to wind down the Sydney operation, so the choice is going to be go to avalon or there's the door. With the changes to the Industrial laws what chance have you got, I'll be moving to avalon.
Hangar 9 will be there before hangar 6,7,& 8.
The 5th hangar is still a go as they are definately trying to wind down the Sydney operation, so the choice is going to be go to avalon or there's the door. With the changes to the Industrial laws what chance have you got, I'll be moving to avalon.
Hangar 9 will be there before hangar 6,7,& 8.
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Going Boeing "It wouldn't make much sense to acquire the extra hangar it you are going to downsize."
They bought the old Ansett hangar in Adelaide and they have left it empty... just to stop anyone else from using it.
That was the case when i was last there 6 months ago, cannot imagine anything has changed... talk about asreholes.
They bought the old Ansett hangar in Adelaide and they have left it empty... just to stop anyone else from using it.
That was the case when i was last there 6 months ago, cannot imagine anything has changed... talk about asreholes.
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QF people if your coming to avalon you won,t be working for QF no more you will work for forstaff for sure maybe a few lames will stay with QF as supervisors but if your on the floor you will be forstaff.
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And with the 380 SIA/QF joint facility, you don't see SQ hulls being worked in Avalon ? Still amazes me how Australian and JetStar were eroding your futures before you even saw them coming. 
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Right on Apophis, you will kiss your Qantas employment goodbye and hello Forstaff, (contacts tell me that they are not that bad) usually the grumbles about a certain employer being a****s are generated by some d**k that moans about anything he can.
Still it sounds a bit odd that some of Forstaffs employees would be sacked to allow the Sydney culture to enter and cause a bit of trouble?
What about the ex Ansett people are they still down that way (and are they happy) could they not work on 737/767 as they used to?
Still it sounds a bit odd that some of Forstaffs employees would be sacked to allow the Sydney culture to enter and cause a bit of trouble?
What about the ex Ansett people are they still down that way (and are they happy) could they not work on 737/767 as they used to?
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i dont think forstaff would be putting people off to replace them with ex qantas staff if any qantas staff think they will come to avv and stay qantas they are fooling themselves if another hangar started up they would need more staff things are already spread thin staff moved from hangar to hangar lack of equipment untrained or unqualified people to cope with amount of work some trade areas are working on lets say a d check and cabin in one hangar and a c check with cabin reconfig in another and a cabin reconfig in the other all running at about the same times and progress and spend most of there time running between hangars they just can,t keep up let alone bringing another hangar on line lack of equipment and staff is something some of the people running it just can,t or don,t want to see.
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Alas, apophis and inthefly, as there is no transmittal of business clause in the current eba agreement, any qantas employee who is forced to relocate to avalon (or just forced out period) will have to be made redundant before joining the forshaft ranks.
They (QF) might as well keep the existing employees under the Qantas umbrella. They can still tell you where they want you to work but, they can't tell you that you have to work for somebody else without shelling out some cash first. At least not yet. Give the fed. gov't. time though and they'll probably take that away too.
As for hangar 9's post about the 737NG h/maint going overseas, that's a new one. The first NG QC2 check is on plan for melbourne in January with the rest to follow. I would find it easier to believe that, from the end of this year, all the 737-400 (the last -300 VH-TAK will be disposed of from melbourne later this year) will be done at Avalon or overseas. The New-Gens will remain in Melbourne for the time being IMHO. Particularly if the newly installed project/program (whatever) 221 produces the chech turn times that were promised.
My info says that there are two HM2 checks on 737-400's at the end of the year in Avalon. These aircraft will then be disposed of to jetconnect. Rumor has it that six or seven 737-300's were to return from jetconnect and have a freighter conversion carried out at Avalon before being delivered to Australian Air Express (National Jet). Don't know if all of that will occur as I believe that QF is trying to screw the blokes at Avalon over the 737 payments and they are not overly fussed if they get the 737 work or not. I will stand corrected if I'm wrong on that one.
One can only wait and see. I just wait for the day when they outsource the top tier management positions and even the board positions of Qantas to a third world or developing country. I wonder how much of the shareholders money could be saved then?
They (QF) might as well keep the existing employees under the Qantas umbrella. They can still tell you where they want you to work but, they can't tell you that you have to work for somebody else without shelling out some cash first. At least not yet. Give the fed. gov't. time though and they'll probably take that away too.
As for hangar 9's post about the 737NG h/maint going overseas, that's a new one. The first NG QC2 check is on plan for melbourne in January with the rest to follow. I would find it easier to believe that, from the end of this year, all the 737-400 (the last -300 VH-TAK will be disposed of from melbourne later this year) will be done at Avalon or overseas. The New-Gens will remain in Melbourne for the time being IMHO. Particularly if the newly installed project/program (whatever) 221 produces the chech turn times that were promised.
My info says that there are two HM2 checks on 737-400's at the end of the year in Avalon. These aircraft will then be disposed of to jetconnect. Rumor has it that six or seven 737-300's were to return from jetconnect and have a freighter conversion carried out at Avalon before being delivered to Australian Air Express (National Jet). Don't know if all of that will occur as I believe that QF is trying to screw the blokes at Avalon over the 737 payments and they are not overly fussed if they get the 737 work or not. I will stand corrected if I'm wrong on that one.
One can only wait and see. I just wait for the day when they outsource the top tier management positions and even the board positions of Qantas to a third world or developing country. I wonder how much of the shareholders money could be saved then?
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Any more news from Avalon on the subject of this thread. My understanding was that there was some sort of meeting held down there last week between either the troops and management, or the troops and the union, on the whole 737 idea.
Can any Avaloneans shed any light as to what might be happening?
Can any Avaloneans shed any light as to what might be happening?
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there was meetings with the troops and the AWU re the forstaff lames payments for the 737 as always forstaff/qantas dont want to pay i did not attend meeting so yet to find out more.
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Regarding AVV and 737's. We heard that AVV was requested to do some 737 checks as the new shift pattern at MEL isn't effecient enough to keep up with demand, but that AVV demanded 737 licence training but Qantas wouldn't supply the training. As a result AVV said go and find someone else to do your work then.
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If QF want to do this 737 work at AVV they will just do it the QF and fortaff lames won,t have any say in it QF will just bring in the people needed to sign off while the aircraft are at AVV they have done it before.
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Apophis, Qf may have a problem in just sending people down to AVV from tulla as they have from SYD in the past. The current manpower requirements in tulla for the project 221 turn times, in regards to the aircraft maintained there, will not allow wholesale deployment of staff to AVV. Further more, I'm sure that they wouldn't be getting too many volunteers for such duty anyway.
Sounds as though QF management may have boxed themselves into a bit of a corner regarding 737 heavy maintenance. Only option is to either pay the guys already in AVV for the 737 or, rob Peter to pay Paul, and deploy people from tulla to sign/supervise 737 work in AVV. A move sure to ruin the turn time targets for the 221 program in Melbourne heavy.
Interesting times.
Sounds as though QF management may have boxed themselves into a bit of a corner regarding 737 heavy maintenance. Only option is to either pay the guys already in AVV for the 737 or, rob Peter to pay Paul, and deploy people from tulla to sign/supervise 737 work in AVV. A move sure to ruin the turn time targets for the 221 program in Melbourne heavy.
Interesting times.