QF LAME stood down over OT bans
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QF LAME stood down over OT bans
A Qf LAME was stood down tonight for taking part in the unofficial overtime bans. It appears that the airline wishes to step up the pressure on anyone opposed to the changes and has stated that two more LAMEs are about to cop it as well.
The directive has come from past ALAEA Federal Secretary and now GM Line Maint Manager Mr BD. In typical Qf fashion they have chosen to target a young family man who has been known to question the union of recent policy.
As you would expect from the Manager who escorted him off the airport his parting words were "we suggest you contact your union for assistance".
The directive has come from past ALAEA Federal Secretary and now GM Line Maint Manager Mr BD. In typical Qf fashion they have chosen to target a young family man who has been known to question the union of recent policy.
As you would expect from the Manager who escorted him off the airport his parting words were "we suggest you contact your union for assistance".
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so what your saying is they ere stood down for refusing to do overtime?
Overtime in Qf is NOT compulsory! (it wasnt when i was there)
sounds like the typical QF procedure of provoking a fight. first step, dont negotiate untill the EBA neg time has expired (they have done this EVERY time with every EBA) step 2, stand down chosen emplyees to provoke industrial action Outside the eba timeframe. same old.
sadly QF staff unions have a very sad track record of sticking together for the common good. QF knows that this will provoke some sort of action, and will get no support from other unions, = division!
Overtime in Qf is NOT compulsory! (it wasnt when i was there)
sounds like the typical QF procedure of provoking a fight. first step, dont negotiate untill the EBA neg time has expired (they have done this EVERY time with every EBA) step 2, stand down chosen emplyees to provoke industrial action Outside the eba timeframe. same old.
sadly QF staff unions have a very sad track record of sticking together for the common good. QF knows that this will provoke some sort of action, and will get no support from other unions, = division!
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Stood Down for NOT working on your days off?
I think even the union bashing members of the Coalition used to refer to this as facism didn't they? You know - the USSR, reds under the bed, internment camps in Siberia? (or was it Woomera?).
Perhaps John Howard can come out and declare it as simply "Un-Australian?".
Honestly - WTF is this country coming to?
If THIS is not a reason to take industrial action, QF employees, there will NEVER be one - and you will ALL be royally screwed by the greed merchants.
If you remember how and why unions were organised in Australia in the first it was to counter exactly this type of exploitative and draconian rule. The pendulum has swung well and truly too far back in favour of the greedy few.
If you do not fight now, you will have nothing left worth fighting for.
I think even the union bashing members of the Coalition used to refer to this as facism didn't they? You know - the USSR, reds under the bed, internment camps in Siberia? (or was it Woomera?).
Perhaps John Howard can come out and declare it as simply "Un-Australian?".
Honestly - WTF is this country coming to?
If THIS is not a reason to take industrial action, QF employees, there will NEVER be one - and you will ALL be royally screwed by the greed merchants.
If you remember how and why unions were organised in Australia in the first it was to counter exactly this type of exploitative and draconian rule. The pendulum has swung well and truly too far back in favour of the greedy few.
If you do not fight now, you will have nothing left worth fighting for.
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what QF staff need, is ALL unions to unite and fight as one! something which they have never done. i just pray that QF have pushed their staff too far and they WILL unite as one! and if a LAME can be stood down for not working on his/her day off, then ALL staff can be!
talking as an Ex delegate, You MUST Unite, all Unions, all emplyoees! or you will sign your lives away. again......... and again.....
talking as an Ex delegate, You MUST Unite, all Unions, all emplyoees! or you will sign your lives away. again......... and again.....
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From here on in, I will be refusing to do ANY overtime.
SAFE training, driver/equipment training, tank entry training, early morning starts, extensions to shift and call ins.
Its expected that we will help the company out when they SCHEDULE compulsory training on employees days off. I dont geta great deal extra for having a drivers licence, or being able to crawl into a tank (a task at which most guys are dodging anyway!)
I would encourage all LAME's to follow this lead and F#ck the C#nts. The only reason they are putting pressure on us is because their getting pressure put on them! Support our fallen brother and support each other.
This action only reinforces QF managements disrespect for LAME's, and our role in the airline.
F#ck em!
SAFE training, driver/equipment training, tank entry training, early morning starts, extensions to shift and call ins.
Its expected that we will help the company out when they SCHEDULE compulsory training on employees days off. I dont geta great deal extra for having a drivers licence, or being able to crawl into a tank (a task at which most guys are dodging anyway!)
I would encourage all LAME's to follow this lead and F#ck the C#nts. The only reason they are putting pressure on us is because their getting pressure put on them! Support our fallen brother and support each other.
This action only reinforces QF managements disrespect for LAME's, and our role in the airline.
F#ck em!
Guy's, don't get angry, get even. Bite your lip. Say nothing. Keep it at an individual level and never EVER admit to the current campaign having ANYTHING to do with your refusal to do overtime. All it takes is a few words - like you are "sympathetic" with the campaign and you are nailed.
Simply say that you would love to do OT but circumstances/ family commitments/ etc etc. stop you right now. Ask them to call you next week.
Do not EVER admit to being part of a campaign even in the tinsiest way or they will get you.
Good luck.
Simply say that you would love to do OT but circumstances/ family commitments/ etc etc. stop you right now. Ask them to call you next week.
Do not EVER admit to being part of a campaign even in the tinsiest way or they will get you.
Good luck.
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If proven to be true, I hope this mans name is distributed amongst his fellow Engineers. Canberra have a lot of good guys working on the Line. Dissappointing to hear of such a betrayal. I for one will choose not to work along side a man of this calibre.
What goes around comes around.
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Don't get mad get even, it seems someone's got their nose out of joint or should I say frillies in a knot Barking up the wrong trees fools Your staff is just sick and tired of your bulls@#t you have infected them with your own contemptPrepare for the Onslaught
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It would appear that Q management still have their links to the ALAEA senior executive but lost all control of the rank and file.
This can only end in a bitter fight, with consequences only once before seen in the Austarlian aviation scene. The personal loss to so many and the stagnation of growth in the industry over that period should never again be repeated.
It may be time to look for some common ground so as to forge a unity between these facets that were once part of the gem which was Australia's icon.
This can only end in a bitter fight, with consequences only once before seen in the Austarlian aviation scene. The personal loss to so many and the stagnation of growth in the industry over that period should never again be repeated.
It may be time to look for some common ground so as to forge a unity between these facets that were once part of the gem which was Australia's icon.
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It is my understanding that the person from melbourne stood down was done so not for partaking in overtime bans, but for starting and coordinating these bans. He and 2 others will be bought to task over this matter.
We have a union to oversee such industrial action. If people want to work outside the bounds of there union in an industrial capacity, then they will suffer the consequences.
Let us all learn from the mistakes of others. If any industrial action is deemed necessary, let our union take the lead, and allow them to work it into any other plans they have in place ie. EBA negotiations etc.
Lets focus on keeping our jobs and getting the work done as efficiently as possible.
We have a union to oversee such industrial action. If people want to work outside the bounds of there union in an industrial capacity, then they will suffer the consequences.
Let us all learn from the mistakes of others. If any industrial action is deemed necessary, let our union take the lead, and allow them to work it into any other plans they have in place ie. EBA negotiations etc.
Lets focus on keeping our jobs and getting the work done as efficiently as possible.
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And since when did the Unions stop working for us? If I was paying Union fees and I was this LAME that got stood down, I would be on the phone and getting up the Union in a BIG way!
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my average for doing overtime while in QF service, was approx 4 hrs quarter! (3 months)
all my superiors knew i rarely worked overtime, but still continued to ask me, so, if i was still in QF service, would i be stood down for refusing overtime?
the result of LAMES being stood down for refusing overtime during rumoured OT bans will achieve nothing but enrage employees and lower morale (if it can)
QF has No legal right to stand an employee down for refusing to work Non compulsory hours!
Just remember, What OT bans? i cant work, because my wife is ill, child is sick, car needs work, pool needs cleaning! all legitimate reason to go home when your legally entitled too.
again, What overtime bans?? is there legal proof of these bans? It School Holidays! and as you would expect ant good husband/father you wish to spend as much time at home during the festive season, How QF percieve this as OT bans is beyond me!
all my superiors knew i rarely worked overtime, but still continued to ask me, so, if i was still in QF service, would i be stood down for refusing overtime?
the result of LAMES being stood down for refusing overtime during rumoured OT bans will achieve nothing but enrage employees and lower morale (if it can)
QF has No legal right to stand an employee down for refusing to work Non compulsory hours!
Just remember, What OT bans? i cant work, because my wife is ill, child is sick, car needs work, pool needs cleaning! all legitimate reason to go home when your legally entitled too.
It is my understanding that the person from melbourne stood down was done so not for partaking in overtime bans, but for starting and coordinating these bans. He and 2 others will be bought to task over this matter.
I am sitting on the sidelines seeing how the ALAEA have not changed one bit. They are still selectively harassing the members who disagree with them, as they, with BD's help, did to me many years ago. What they did not realise was they did me a big favour. I left the airline and left Oz to work overseas, where I have had a very satisfying career working all around the world in some very interesting places. As a LAME. That has also cured me from having anything to do with unions.
Beware!! The aformentioned gentleman will stop at nothing to achieve his aims, just stick together. LAME's are very thin on the ground, and the situation is not going to get better. It is LAMES who are the backbone of the company. Do not under any circumstances devalue yourselves.
Have I got a vested interest in QF?? Yes, as a passenger who flies regularly to my place of employment on a long overwater flight which goes far south.
Mr Qantas, you are pathetic, or are you really BD. You have that wine in your posts that I remember came from BD all those years ago, not forgetting the promotion of your own position as a loyal company employee. You poor soul!!!!!
Beware!! The aformentioned gentleman will stop at nothing to achieve his aims, just stick together. LAME's are very thin on the ground, and the situation is not going to get better. It is LAMES who are the backbone of the company. Do not under any circumstances devalue yourselves.
Have I got a vested interest in QF?? Yes, as a passenger who flies regularly to my place of employment on a long overwater flight which goes far south.
Mr Qantas, you are pathetic, or are you really BD. You have that wine in your posts that I remember came from BD all those years ago, not forgetting the promotion of your own position as a loyal company employee. You poor soul!!!!!
nice to see the suggestion of our union becoming active in this intimidation of 1 of its members.BUT,all is silent as we would expect!! OBVIOUSLY directives are coming from outside the union headquarters.....could they be coming from the headquarters of an even bigger organisation????. WHAT has the ALAEA come to??? ITS time for issues to be taken seriously,stop all the bitching,internal fighting and power broking and stand up for its members instead of being a front for an ex union turncoat!!.GET SERIOUS AND PROTECT UR MEMBERS AND SHOW EVERYONE THAT WE ARE SICK OF BEING INTIMIDATED,VERBALLY ABUSED BY SO-CALLED MANAGERS AND THREATENED.
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Well as Oldmeadow will be in this up to his balls, you can probably expect an Abeles style invitation from your management to meet in groups of 5 or 6 to "talk about things".
Once you've aired your grievances, expect a new contract to be given to you, and returned, signed, before you walk out the door.
The way it stands right now, there is a window of opportunity for Oldmeadow on which to capitalise if he acts quickly, and you can bet he will!
If you have decided that the current ALAEA is not representing the rank and files best interests, you'll need an alternative - but fast.
Otherwise it'll be game over before the end of the week.
Once you've aired your grievances, expect a new contract to be given to you, and returned, signed, before you walk out the door.
The way it stands right now, there is a window of opportunity for Oldmeadow on which to capitalise if he acts quickly, and you can bet he will!
If you have decided that the current ALAEA is not representing the rank and files best interests, you'll need an alternative - but fast.
Otherwise it'll be game over before the end of the week.