Dick threatens to sue AsA
It’s Dick's Secretary, Jane, here. Dick has asked me to advise that at the present time he’s climbing in Switzerland and can’t get access to the internet. He does actually have other interests! When he’s in contact again, he will comment on this thread.
Dick points out that he asked ATC whether an IFR clearance would be available and was told it would be. It appears that even though it was severe clear day only by filing IFR and paying the enroute charges would he be accepted.
Dick points out that he asked ATC whether an IFR clearance would be available and was told it would be. It appears that even though it was severe clear day only by filing IFR and paying the enroute charges would he be accepted.
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Who has lifelines number!
Seriously, I will give him 40 cents for the call.
Capt: Folks we are now being vectored around Lord Biscuit as he and his royal family make an approach to one of the 400 runways around he. Interesting to note folks, that he is in a single engine glider and that we must give way up here. Relax we will be landing in 5 hours.
PUT IN A BLOODY FLIGHT PLAN AND READ YOUR AIP, ERSA and NOTAMS. ARE YOU A PILOT, AIRTRAFFIC CONTROLLER or a PAIRTRAFFCONTROLFREAK.
If he confidently believed he and his family were in danger he would of REQUIRED RE-ROUTING after declaring an emergency.
Capt: Folks we are now being vectored around Lord Biscuit as he and his royal family make an approach to one of the 400 runways around he. Interesting to note folks, that he is in a single engine glider and that we must give way up here. Relax we will be landing in 5 hours.
PUT IN A BLOODY FLIGHT PLAN AND READ YOUR AIP, ERSA and NOTAMS. ARE YOU A PILOT, AIRTRAFFIC CONTROLLER or a PAIRTRAFFCONTROLFREAK.
If he confidently believed he and his family were in danger he would of REQUIRED RE-ROUTING after declaring an emergency.
It’s Dick's Secretary, Jane, here. Dick has asked me to advise that at the present time he’s climbing in Switzerland and can’t get access to the internet. He does actually have other interests! When he’s in contact again, he will comment on this thread.
Secretary, a bit ol' fashioned isn't Dick. Surely Jane is more of a PA rather than a secretary.
Next we'll have media monitors for pprune. Hang on a sec. I might start my own business monitoring the internet on behalf of self-indulgent millionaires, no, make that self-indulgent multi-millionaires.
Can't get access to the internet in Switzerland - I don't believe that for a moment
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"More to the point, rather than be allowed to overfly Sydney at 8500ft, where an engine failure would have allowed me to land on at least one of five possible runways, I was forced to track over the densely populated northern suburbs where a safe forced landing would be highly unlikely," Mr Smith said.
"I am outraged this unnecessary risk was forced on myself and my family for no apparent reason."
"I am outraged this unnecessary risk was forced on myself and my family for no apparent reason."
Dick points out that he asked ATC whether an IFR clearance would be available and was told it would be. It appears that even though it was severe clear day only by filing IFR and paying the enroute charges would he be accepted.
If what Smith says is true, it seems to me that he is playing political games here and using his family’s lives as a pawn.
If what Smith says is true, his family’s lives were "risked" for sake of $33.17
IFR would have cost him:
Terminal Nav ($29.45) Rescue & Fire ($0.00) En-route ($30.88) Met Service ($2.29) Noise levy ($0.00) Total ($62.62)
A VFR plan would have cost him:
Terminal Nav ($29.45) Rescue & Fire ($0.00) En-route ($0.00) Met Service ($0.00) Noise levy ($0.00) Total ($29.45)
I’d like to see him explain that one in court!!!
Let's settle out of court and send him his $33.17 immediately. He can show the cheque to his family and tell them that is what he believes they are worth.
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Hi, this is ferris' secretary Elle, here. Ferris psychically felt that a thread was developing on pprune, and had me respond on his behalf (he's going thru rubbish bins for tonight's dinner). If Dick can't post in person when he is shown to be an idiot, but instructs his secretary to do so- because he magically believes a thread might be developing- then could he please reach out with his mind and inform all the other people who aren't reading pprune and can't post either, because some of them may not pick up the vibe otherwise.
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DS's claim of endangering his family because of clearance refusal in this situation after a flight across a wide expanse of ocean is a patent crock of sh!te.
That (and ERSA) notwithstanding, it is interesting (if it is true) that an IFR clearance would be available whereas VFR was not - when there was apparently no meteorological reason to limit clearance to IFR only. If flight under such conditions is limited just to the "paying IFR pilot/flight" , this has implications for VFR pilots/flights traversing other controlled airspace, if such policies/behaviours become widespread.
Could someone enlighten me as to why VFR flight would not be allowed whereas IFR would be in such a situation (other than the fact that DS is at the yoke)?
Curious, in many respects.
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That (and ERSA) notwithstanding, it is interesting (if it is true) that an IFR clearance would be available whereas VFR was not - when there was apparently no meteorological reason to limit clearance to IFR only. If flight under such conditions is limited just to the "paying IFR pilot/flight" , this has implications for VFR pilots/flights traversing other controlled airspace, if such policies/behaviours become widespread.
Could someone enlighten me as to why VFR flight would not be allowed whereas IFR would be in such a situation (other than the fact that DS is at the yoke)?
Curious, in many respects.
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I agree, he DOES need re-routing!
Dick Smith before he Dicks You...
If he confidently believed he and his family were in danger he would of REQUIRED RE-ROUTING after declaring an emergency.
Dick Smith before he Dicks You...
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Hello Jane, so very nice to hear from you.
Could you please inform Dick that, although climbing in Switzerland, they have other providers other than Telstra so more than likely you have 24 hr high speed coverage country wide........apart from the fact that he would have had to have logged on to know this thread is in progress prior to sending his directive to respond on his behalf your way .......I shake my head in disgust.
Could you please inform Dick that, although climbing in Switzerland, they have other providers other than Telstra so more than likely you have 24 hr high speed coverage country wide........apart from the fact that he would have had to have logged on to know this thread is in progress prior to sending his directive to respond on his behalf your way .......I shake my head in disgust.
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Jane, I wish Dick well on his Swiss expedition. It’s unfortunate that most of the people in question here have few other interests – judging by the frequency and number of their posts. Australia has progressed significantly in the past decade, but it appears there are still many underachievers that see it their right to waffle through a mediocre life, hiding amongst the stench of festering bureaucracy, resisting efficient change and responsibility for their actions at every turn. Certainly, it would be a small start if these characters spent a lot less time internet surfing and getting outdoors more and involved in sports and other activities – which would develop a more well-rounded, positive, intelligent, flexible, and capable Air Traffic Controller
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(Duff is out of the office - this is Wench #1 speaking on his behalf)
Dick is entitled, like any pilot, to report a safety or procedural breach and ask for an official response. He is NOT entitled to abuse his relationships with the Minister for Transport and the media and libel Airservices and the controllers involved. Airservices should pursue a countersuit for libel.
As expected, Dick's office comes out with a selective statement of the facts involved. It's not our position to preemt the Airservices investigation - but there was a LOT more to it than a decision between IFR and VFR for clearance availability.
Dick, say an IFR or VFR clearance was available - but required a 20 NM diversion to pick up appropriate route. Would you have taken it? I thought not. By the way, tell us about your eastbound flight, wasn't that fun???? !
(Wench #1 out... now to ignore churchall)
Dick is entitled, like any pilot, to report a safety or procedural breach and ask for an official response. He is NOT entitled to abuse his relationships with the Minister for Transport and the media and libel Airservices and the controllers involved. Airservices should pursue a countersuit for libel.
As expected, Dick's office comes out with a selective statement of the facts involved. It's not our position to preemt the Airservices investigation - but there was a LOT more to it than a decision between IFR and VFR for clearance availability.
Dick, say an IFR or VFR clearance was available - but required a 20 NM diversion to pick up appropriate route. Would you have taken it? I thought not. By the way, tell us about your eastbound flight, wasn't that fun???? !
(Wench #1 out... now to ignore churchall)
Dear Jane,
Is Mr Smith available on the mobile? I reside in Switzerland and if its not too much trouble, I'll give him a call. On behalf of PpruNeRs I will climb the Eiger and get the full story verbatim.
CS
Is Mr Smith available on the mobile? I reside in Switzerland and if its not too much trouble, I'll give him a call. On behalf of PpruNeRs I will climb the Eiger and get the full story verbatim.
CS
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Perhasp Smith is only telling halfthe story. Perhaps the deciding factor in determining whether or not a clearance was available was not the VFR/IFR question, but whether or not a flight plan had been filed.
The workload for a controller in handling a non-flight=planned flight in the TAAATS environment is considerably more than that for a flight-planned flight.
There is no cost for filing a VFR plan, so even the $33.17 to ensure his family's safety mentioned previously would not come into play.
Smith claims that his family was endangered, but it seems that any 'danger' was the result of a half-truth and the exagerration of a situation for political gain.
So, Smith -the truth this time - was it the fact that you decided to call up 'out of the blue' without details that led to this supposed 'danger' to your family? How do they feel about the way you conducted this flight?
Could someone enlighten me as to why VFR flight would not be allowed whereas IFR would be in such a situation (other than the fact that DS is at the yoke)?
The workload for a controller in handling a non-flight=planned flight in the TAAATS environment is considerably more than that for a flight-planned flight.
There is no cost for filing a VFR plan, so even the $33.17 to ensure his family's safety mentioned previously would not come into play.
Smith claims that his family was endangered, but it seems that any 'danger' was the result of a half-truth and the exagerration of a situation for political gain.
So, Smith -the truth this time - was it the fact that you decided to call up 'out of the blue' without details that led to this supposed 'danger' to your family? How do they feel about the way you conducted this flight?
