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I'm sure my experience would be valued, but only if I was prepared to go from training captain on a jet, to F/O on a Metro or something. In other words, it isn't valued very much. Attitude isn't a problem, I'm a firm believer in mucking in and getting the job done - including making the coffee for the cabin crew on the turnarounds - all I ask in return is a position commensurate with my qualifications and experience. In Europe, that is considered reasonable. In NZ, it is considered presumptious.
From what I have been able to find out, it appears that this "send the kiwi expat b*stards to the back of the queue" mentality is driven more by the union than the airlines.
As do a lot of airline people. Answer me this: if you need a captain, do you a) give a First Officer his or her first command or b) hire an experienced, proven captain? In the current NZ climate, you promote the F/O, and recruit the experienced person for the RHS - a position for which he or she is neither current, or suited.
Don't get me wrong - I am a firm believer in promoting guys and girls who are ready for command, over new entrants. I am just pointing out the fallacy in the argument. The safety argument says employ the experienced, proven captain. The prevailing airline thought says the opposite.
Call it what you want, it amounts to the same thing. A company on the brink of bankruptcy was bailed out by the government. Ask Origin how they feel about that.
Complete nonsense. The tourism industry doesn't care what colour the aircraft is, that delivers the tourists. Other airlines would have stepped in immediately. Air NZ is not part of the tourism industry, it just delivers the tourists. it would make little difference to the economy if Air Zimbabwe delivered them.
So what you are saying, is that any NZ company in which I have shares is automatically protected by the government? That the government will bail out any public company that fails?
Nnnnno. Don't think so.
I'm sure my experience would be valued, but only if I was prepared to go from training captain on a jet, to F/O on a Metro or something. In other words, it isn't valued very much. Attitude isn't a problem, I'm a firm believer in mucking in and getting the job done - including making the coffee for the cabin crew on the turnarounds - all I ask in return is a position commensurate with my qualifications and experience. In Europe, that is considered reasonable. In NZ, it is considered presumptious.
From what I have been able to find out, it appears that this "send the kiwi expat b*stards to the back of the queue" mentality is driven more by the union than the airlines.
The airline industry is like no other, where a lack of experience, skill or judgement in the critical places (flight operations, engineering) means people could die. Non-airline people struggle with this concept.
Don't get me wrong - I am a firm believer in promoting guys and girls who are ready for command, over new entrants. I am just pointing out the fallacy in the argument. The safety argument says employ the experienced, proven captain. The prevailing airline thought says the opposite.
It was not a cash handout or gift - the goverment re-capitalised the company through the aquisition of shares (about 82%).
But the failure of the airline would have meant a failure of the NZ tourism industry, and in turn the economy.
For a country the size of NZ, think of Air NZ as an arm of the tourism industry owned like a co-op with the stakeholders being the NZ public.
Nnnnno. Don't think so.
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MOR .....have you heard of the "furlough" system?
I think you wrote earlier you have 15yrs/10000hrs exper etc, every Air NZ Capt and 95% of widebody FO's would match this, many new-hires have Jet cmmd time and also match you.... so whats your point?.
With so much industry experience I would have thought by now you would have figured "it's about having a job, putting food on the table and protecting your conditions" (for most), hard to believe but there are many extremely capable pilots working here who could do your job twice over..... hmmm or maybe you have been on the "open market" a little to long.
You assume your experience and opinions are valuable, correct, transportable, palatable and in common with the current "culture and climate" of Air NZ (or maybe not)
I would suggest by your remarks here, you are completley out of touch with whats going on in NZ, in particular Air NZ, and infact you smack of being "bitter" and having a "tantrum" at not being able to do what you want, when you want within an industry you clearly rate yourself in (I wonder how that would come across at the Interview) .......hmmm sounds like you've had the Cmmd a little to long!!!
MOR .....have you heard of the "furlough" system?
I think you wrote earlier you have 15yrs/10000hrs exper etc, every Air NZ Capt and 95% of widebody FO's would match this, many new-hires have Jet cmmd time and also match you.... so whats your point?.
With so much industry experience I would have thought by now you would have figured "it's about having a job, putting food on the table and protecting your conditions" (for most), hard to believe but there are many extremely capable pilots working here who could do your job twice over..... hmmm or maybe you have been on the "open market" a little to long.
You assume your experience and opinions are valuable, correct, transportable, palatable and in common with the current "culture and climate" of Air NZ (or maybe not)
I would suggest by your remarks here, you are completley out of touch with whats going on in NZ, in particular Air NZ, and infact you smack of being "bitter" and having a "tantrum" at not being able to do what you want, when you want within an industry you clearly rate yourself in (I wonder how that would come across at the Interview) .......hmmm sounds like you've had the Cmmd a little to long!!!
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Well, no, you have all that completely wrong.
First of all, I have no desire whatsoever to work for Air NZ. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt etc.
If you read back a bit, you will see that my comments were in relation to Air Nelson. Now I have no desire to work for them either, but the point remains a valid one.
I have chosen the path I am now on, and can in fact have my job back in Europe whenever I want it. Believe it or not (and many here will not be unable to understand this), there are other things in life a lot more rewarding than flying airliners (especially when "flying" actually means "monitoring").
It isn't really important, and I mention it only to illustrate the differences between here and Europe, but the difference between me and your 15 yr/10,000 hour Air NZ pilot, is that most (about 8000) of my hours are in command of transport-category aircraft.
But who cares? I don't, really. I accept the system for what it is, I don't think it is a good or sensible system, but nothing I think is going to change it. Posts like yours typify the problem; throw some insults around, and comprehensively fail to answer the basic question. Don't debate the issue, just raise the finger. How adult of you.
The rest of the insults in your rant, well, not worth the bother responding to.
Oh, and by the way, what the hell has the "furlough" system got to do with anything? Common in the US, very uncommon in Europe, never heard of it here.
First of all, I have no desire whatsoever to work for Air NZ. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt etc.
If you read back a bit, you will see that my comments were in relation to Air Nelson. Now I have no desire to work for them either, but the point remains a valid one.
I have chosen the path I am now on, and can in fact have my job back in Europe whenever I want it. Believe it or not (and many here will not be unable to understand this), there are other things in life a lot more rewarding than flying airliners (especially when "flying" actually means "monitoring").
It isn't really important, and I mention it only to illustrate the differences between here and Europe, but the difference between me and your 15 yr/10,000 hour Air NZ pilot, is that most (about 8000) of my hours are in command of transport-category aircraft.
But who cares? I don't, really. I accept the system for what it is, I don't think it is a good or sensible system, but nothing I think is going to change it. Posts like yours typify the problem; throw some insults around, and comprehensively fail to answer the basic question. Don't debate the issue, just raise the finger. How adult of you.
The rest of the insults in your rant, well, not worth the bother responding to.
Oh, and by the way, what the hell has the "furlough" system got to do with anything? Common in the US, very uncommon in Europe, never heard of it here.
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I first heard about this sim thing nearly two years ago from MC management (PO), from what he said, the sim is now overdue - perhaps there has been a change of plans but as far as I'm aware getting a sim was the answer to CAA cracking down on 'real aircraft' conversion training on 121 size operations.
Of course the other option is sending pilots to Thailand, but that gets a bit expensive after a while. I would sugest the decision will be based on the NSN fleet replacement. Certainly a sim is the best option for a 28 ATR operation, perhaps not for 10? I have no idea where the sim would come from.
Anyone from MC care to enlighten us?
I first heard about this sim thing nearly two years ago from MC management (PO), from what he said, the sim is now overdue - perhaps there has been a change of plans but as far as I'm aware getting a sim was the answer to CAA cracking down on 'real aircraft' conversion training on 121 size operations.
Of course the other option is sending pilots to Thailand, but that gets a bit expensive after a while. I would sugest the decision will be based on the NSN fleet replacement. Certainly a sim is the best option for a 28 ATR operation, perhaps not for 10? I have no idea where the sim would come from.
Anyone from MC care to enlighten us?
