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purplemonkydishwashr 4th Jul 2004 04:00

Air Nelsons Future
 
Anyone Know what the future holds for Air Nelson? I heard their pilots received letters informing them they would have to re-apply for their positions and that the planned fleet change is now not so certain. Is Mt Chook gonna swallow them up?

max rate 5th Jul 2004 00:31

What a load of drivel. Air Nelson is very safe. If you keep listening to crap like that and believe it, the ****head management guy that started it has won.:mad:

Cloud Cutter 5th Jul 2004 02:17

He he:D, love the handle - particularly relevant in this case (chinese whispers).

We'll show them, especialy for that purple monkey dishwasher remark!

splatgothebugs 5th Jul 2004 02:46

Nice rumour, haven't heard a beauty like that for a long time :ok:

However what is the latest word on the fleet replacement, there is a lot of other projects on hold (ie AA airport domestic upgrade) untill the decission is made.

Or not made as the case may be

splat ;)

belowMDA 5th Jul 2004 09:40

The latest sounds like S340 B+ in the very near future. As for new type that may be some time away!

Swamp Donkey 5th Jul 2004 09:46

Thanks MDA for adding some sense to the rumour mill - purple monkey I think you should stick to washing the dishes at AFS or whatever Warren has you doing.....

Cloud Cutter 5th Jul 2004 20:36

belowMDA, that sounds reasonable. I think the 340 is still a good aircraft for the role, does the B+ perform much beter than the A? It would certainly save them a lot in crew conversion training. Perhaps they will be ready for RJs in 5-10 years?

belowMDA 6th Jul 2004 08:06

The B+ does not leap off the page as being hugely better on paper but I think in practice it will shine compared to the A model. The A is a workhorse but is hamstrung by the ITT limits agreed upon by GE and NSN to reduce the cost of engine maintenance. The B+ should give much better icing performance if nothing else however the engines are even more prone to stalling than the 5 A2. on paper the differences are as follows:

340A: GE CT7 5A2 1735 SHP
MTOW 28,000 lbs
Max cruise 271 Kts

340 B+ GE CT7 9B 1870 SHP
MTOW 29,000 lbs
Max cruise 283 kts

the B+ also has electronic noise cancelling for the cabin dwellers.

figures courtesy of www.saabaircraftleasing.com

splatgothebugs 6th Jul 2004 09:16

Its a shame about those ITT limits, they would prob go like a cut cat otherwise.

splat:ok:

Mite even keep up with a Beech ;)

The Stooge 7th Jul 2004 03:23

What are the ITT limits going to be 850 below FL150 and 875 above ? Doesnt make much difference really as MCP is 940

peetee6 7th Jul 2004 05:06

air nsn replacement
 
it is still a Saab at the end of the day! And still won't be able to keep up with the 1900.

Don Won 7th Jul 2004 07:22

Well when you for work air nsn you can't have anything to speedy cos then your'd never get through your morning coffie(provided by trolly dolly....dam that's hot ... oh coffie ) and sport's section while "george" takes care of things, when you fly 121 cat a knot here or there don't realy matter you boyz mite understand these things one day :D
If were talken speed your either the fastest ie J41 style or your just cruzen infact I think the slickest turbo prop in NZ is the chyane

BCF Breath 7th Jul 2004 20:41

It's just JH threatning again. If NSN went away, so would he!

What ever happened to the term "Fair" bargaining...?

Of course, Air NZ is supposed to be ramping up recruiting (apparently) so there could be some jobs going there...?

As for those smokey-Beech drivers, still the same speed in descent (actually aren't you restricted to less than 250 Kias..??) and one day, when you leave that light (although well equipped) twin, you'll realise just how important a role the autopilot plays...!
Oh and did I mention the cockpit door so you can read the paper and drink coffee and munch on the meal you managed to get from the cafe on a min turnaround.....Ha Ha Ha

Apparently the Link carriers made over $70m for the last F/Year so you work it out. Who's looking for a fat bonus eh? Mr JH!

Keep supporting the bargaining process, and stop starting non-helpful gossip.

belowMDA 7th Jul 2004 22:59

Speed, that's all a 1900 has really.

LateNightOps 8th Jul 2004 15:06

If you want to talk about speed...how about an EMB120 Brasilia!

belowMDA 10th Jul 2004 05:30

BTW another saab ground course to be run very shortly. maybe interviewing in about a month (interview time frame pure speculation).

incidentreport 10th Jul 2004 06:36

I thought I read somewhere that there was still a full completed ground course waiting to start?? (or close to full) Why would they run another course if that was the case??

Plas Teek 10th Jul 2004 08:36

'Cause, maybe they realise that Big Bro is starting to recruit again, and, using history as a learning tool (because they have JUST got up to strength with pilot numbers for the first time since the late 90's thanks to the new LOM) they don't want to be caught short AGAIN!

Or having to explain to those on high why a newly aquired SAAB is on the ground and not flying.......because there weren't enuf pilots!!

always inverted 10th Jul 2004 21:37

I heard the same thing from an eagle captain the other day, said that I should put a cv in-if not aleady with Air Nelson and Eagle because ANZ will be extracting crew from each and if they don't want to be left short the start recruiting.
Like everything in aviation- believe what you want.

Checked out the post on ANZ recruitment for 04, would appear to tie in with what has been said on this post.
Me has fingers and toes well crossed for this one...

Woodend1 11th Jul 2004 03:46

I with you always inverted, everything well crossed..


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