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Gee Pete
Didn't ya mumy love ya. Tale a chill pill matey. About buying an airline job. I think the Impulse boys did better getting an endoresment for $8000 which was introduced because Ansett AND Qantas was bleeding them of their drivers, then a few years later they throw in a 717 endoresemnt. Please don't have a go at the Virgin boys now. But I reckon a 737 endoresment plus accomodation must have been around the $2000+ mark.
But you do have this little rather sick infactuation with Impulse. Did they turn you down once. Now don't lie. Hope you have a nice weekend.
Didn't ya mumy love ya. Tale a chill pill matey. About buying an airline job. I think the Impulse boys did better getting an endoresment for $8000 which was introduced because Ansett AND Qantas was bleeding them of their drivers, then a few years later they throw in a 717 endoresemnt. Please don't have a go at the Virgin boys now. But I reckon a 737 endoresment plus accomodation must have been around the $2000+ mark.
But you do have this little rather sick infactuation with Impulse. Did they turn you down once. Now don't lie. Hope you have a nice weekend.
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I thought you were going to asia?
And had better things to do?
OK pete its time to log off the aero club computer now and talk about important issue's like, white with one thanks bozo!!
And had better things to do?
OK pete its time to log off the aero club computer now and talk about important issue's like, white with one thanks bozo!!
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Come on now uncle pete. Youve been handing out your fair share of stick in the last little while. Your last post seemed a little " Jaded".
Dont tell me that you cant take a little critisism now and then? My point about your asia job is that you sound like a weekend warrior. Bitter at those who get to fly without paying for it. The job in asia wouldnt be packing noodles now would it?
Why worry about something that doesnt effect you? I would suggest you stop going to the airport fence and take some personal time petey.
Back to the issue. Recently I have heard that Airbus has gone in hard with offers that outstrip boeing by a long way. The deal should be done this week as to which aircraft it is.
Dont tell me that you cant take a little critisism now and then? My point about your asia job is that you sound like a weekend warrior. Bitter at those who get to fly without paying for it. The job in asia wouldnt be packing noodles now would it?
Why worry about something that doesnt effect you? I would suggest you stop going to the airport fence and take some personal time petey.
Back to the issue. Recently I have heard that Airbus has gone in hard with offers that outstrip boeing by a long way. The deal should be done this week as to which aircraft it is.
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Caveman,thumpa,rostov and DM - take a look at yourselves - and I've thrown the thread off? LOL!!!!!!
Well, if I've done that, then the lot of you are not much better than me are you? If I've thrown the thread, which I didn't, then whats your excuse for replying to me and keeping the whole thing going?
Are you sure you guys don't have some menagerie going? LOL!!!
thumpa, you better take a look at your spelling mate - did the lather of sweat you and your butt plug produced while writing that one cause the sweat to get in your eye? C'mon mate - I'll be honest - I didn't apply to Nopulse - I wasn't going to lower my standards......you guys are a bomb!! LOL!!!!!
Well, if I've done that, then the lot of you are not much better than me are you? If I've thrown the thread, which I didn't, then whats your excuse for replying to me and keeping the whole thing going?
Are you sure you guys don't have some menagerie going? LOL!!!
thumpa, you better take a look at your spelling mate - did the lather of sweat you and your butt plug produced while writing that one cause the sweat to get in your eye? C'mon mate - I'll be honest - I didn't apply to Nopulse - I wasn't going to lower my standards......you guys are a bomb!! LOL!!!!!
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Hope the D&G readers of these posts don't mind if I post
how a few of the overseas LCC's are working as it may serve
as a primer of things to come here, if there are objections I
will immediatly cease to post such items.
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Song beating cost estimates, eyes more planes
By Julie MacIntosh
NEW YORK, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Song, Delta Air Lines' lower-cost subsidiary, is beating unit cost projections and expects to announce plans to take more aircraft from its parent within weeks, Song's president said on Thursday.
Song, launched as a unit of Atlanta-based Delta in April, encountered skepticism from analysts and investors who wondered whether it could stay aloft while operating under Delta's heavy cost structure.
John Selvaggio, Song's president, said in an interview that Song's unit costs still begin with a "7" -- as in seven cents per available seat mile -- but include "very significant overhead from Delta."
Delta's pilot union is reviewing this week the airline's proposal for an unspecified amount of cuts that would reduce Delta's industry-leading pilot costs.
Any cuts on behalf of Delta pilots would ring true for Song's as well because its pilots operate under the same contract. But Selvaggio said Song gets better use of pilots than its parent because Song pilots fly more hours.
Nearly all U.S. airlines, still staggering from two years of sharp financial losses and depressed travel demand, have made cost-cutting their mantra in order to stay solvent.
Song's unit costs are coming in under plan, and Selvaggio said the carrier, which has a fleet of 36 199-seat Boeing 757s, is gearing up to take on more airplanes.
A spokesman for Song said it would use reconfigured 757s from Delta's current fleet for the foreseeable future.
Boeing Co. which builds the 757, said last month that it would halt production of the model late next year.
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Is 'Ted' United's Low Cost Carrier?
Mysterious Marketing Campaign Creating Buzz
UPDATED: 9:46 a.m. MST November 7, 2003
DENVER -- The Rocky Mountain News reported that a mystery man named "Ted," who bought lunch for strangers and spelled his name in sod in a farmer's 240-acre field north of Denver, is a creation of United Airlines' new low-cost carrier.
The newspaper said that one Web site used in the campaign and a second that's not yet launched are linked to United.
United spokesman Jeff Green wouldn't confirm "Ted" was the company's creation.
United's low-cost carrier will be based at Denver International Airport. It's part of the Chicago-based company's effort to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
United is expected to announce the new carrier's launch in the next few weeks.
In the meantime, the mysterious marketing campaign -- complete with blue and orange stickers, T-shirts, signs and other giveaways -- has created a bit of buzz in the Mile High City. Ted, taken from the last three letters in United's name, conjures an image of a carefree, blue jeans and T-shirt-wearing crowd -- the same young crowd that United wants to attract to its new low-fare carrier, marketing experts said.
With "Ted," United is hoping to steal passengers away from rival Frontier, which has been extremely successful as a low-cost carrier.
United's low-fare airline will serve predominantly leisure markets and feature a simplified fare structure with low-cost business and leisure fare options. The fleet for the new airline will launch in February 2004 with 4 Airbus 320 aircraft in Denver, and expand to 40 A320s by the end of 2004, 19 of which will be based in Denver.
From Denver, the airline will fly to Reno, Nev., Las Vegas, Phoenix, New Orleans, Tampa, Fla, Ontario, Calif., and Orlando, Fla. Additional destinations will be announced at a later date.
Tickets will go on sale sometime in November.
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how a few of the overseas LCC's are working as it may serve
as a primer of things to come here, if there are objections I
will immediatly cease to post such items.
thanks
Wirraway
Song beating cost estimates, eyes more planes
By Julie MacIntosh
NEW YORK, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Song, Delta Air Lines' lower-cost subsidiary, is beating unit cost projections and expects to announce plans to take more aircraft from its parent within weeks, Song's president said on Thursday.
Song, launched as a unit of Atlanta-based Delta in April, encountered skepticism from analysts and investors who wondered whether it could stay aloft while operating under Delta's heavy cost structure.
John Selvaggio, Song's president, said in an interview that Song's unit costs still begin with a "7" -- as in seven cents per available seat mile -- but include "very significant overhead from Delta."
Delta's pilot union is reviewing this week the airline's proposal for an unspecified amount of cuts that would reduce Delta's industry-leading pilot costs.
Any cuts on behalf of Delta pilots would ring true for Song's as well because its pilots operate under the same contract. But Selvaggio said Song gets better use of pilots than its parent because Song pilots fly more hours.
Nearly all U.S. airlines, still staggering from two years of sharp financial losses and depressed travel demand, have made cost-cutting their mantra in order to stay solvent.
Song's unit costs are coming in under plan, and Selvaggio said the carrier, which has a fleet of 36 199-seat Boeing 757s, is gearing up to take on more airplanes.
A spokesman for Song said it would use reconfigured 757s from Delta's current fleet for the foreseeable future.
Boeing Co. which builds the 757, said last month that it would halt production of the model late next year.
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thedenverchanel.com
Is 'Ted' United's Low Cost Carrier?
Mysterious Marketing Campaign Creating Buzz
UPDATED: 9:46 a.m. MST November 7, 2003
DENVER -- The Rocky Mountain News reported that a mystery man named "Ted," who bought lunch for strangers and spelled his name in sod in a farmer's 240-acre field north of Denver, is a creation of United Airlines' new low-cost carrier.
The newspaper said that one Web site used in the campaign and a second that's not yet launched are linked to United.
United spokesman Jeff Green wouldn't confirm "Ted" was the company's creation.
United's low-cost carrier will be based at Denver International Airport. It's part of the Chicago-based company's effort to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
United is expected to announce the new carrier's launch in the next few weeks.
In the meantime, the mysterious marketing campaign -- complete with blue and orange stickers, T-shirts, signs and other giveaways -- has created a bit of buzz in the Mile High City. Ted, taken from the last three letters in United's name, conjures an image of a carefree, blue jeans and T-shirt-wearing crowd -- the same young crowd that United wants to attract to its new low-fare carrier, marketing experts said.
With "Ted," United is hoping to steal passengers away from rival Frontier, which has been extremely successful as a low-cost carrier.
United's low-fare airline will serve predominantly leisure markets and feature a simplified fare structure with low-cost business and leisure fare options. The fleet for the new airline will launch in February 2004 with 4 Airbus 320 aircraft in Denver, and expand to 40 A320s by the end of 2004, 19 of which will be based in Denver.
From Denver, the airline will fly to Reno, Nev., Las Vegas, Phoenix, New Orleans, Tampa, Fla, Ontario, Calif., and Orlando, Fla. Additional destinations will be announced at a later date.
Tickets will go on sale sometime in November.
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Interesting to see Song pilots (Pete's post) get the same pay as Delta but fly more hours, I doubt that it will happen here though. 
If Qf get A320/321 aircraft as Geoffrey Thomas's article suggests, then Qf will look like Ansett on steroids with the amount of different types! Oh I forgot they will all be in different little companies under the one umbrella, as if that will make a difference!
If Qf get A320/321 aircraft as Geoffrey Thomas's article suggests, then Qf will look like Ansett on steroids with the amount of different types! Oh I forgot they will all be in different little companies under the one umbrella, as if that will make a difference!
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Well, it's interesting to hear that AirNZ's soon to be 4 A320's are looking like achieving 10% of the 11% growth they were looking for by years end. Figures I'm sure QF would be looking at.
At the end of the day, and it's been said before, QF need to rationalise the fleet.
I'm sure the A320 would fit the bill for QF and I hope that the ex AN guys get a guernsey to fly it.
RaTA, why bother with so many little companies, QF could have but one LCC with a fleet of A320 and A319 with CCQ you could do away with the current arrangement and Impulse combined so you have,
A380/747-400 International
A330-200/300 trancontinental and international
A320/A321/A319 doing what 767 and 737 AND Nopulse, err err Impulse do now.
I'm sure the bean counters are looking at the Airbus family, look at the trend in Asia? China Airlines, China eastern, SQ, Dragonair, CX etc etc.
Then just leave the Regionals to their own devices - bigger and better prop, or EMB170, sound ok?
thumpa, any usefull comment? or are you up to your brown eyes in peat?
At the end of the day, and it's been said before, QF need to rationalise the fleet.
I'm sure the A320 would fit the bill for QF and I hope that the ex AN guys get a guernsey to fly it.
RaTA, why bother with so many little companies, QF could have but one LCC with a fleet of A320 and A319 with CCQ you could do away with the current arrangement and Impulse combined so you have,
A380/747-400 International
A330-200/300 trancontinental and international
A320/A321/A319 doing what 767 and 737 AND Nopulse, err err Impulse do now.
I'm sure the bean counters are looking at the Airbus family, look at the trend in Asia? China Airlines, China eastern, SQ, Dragonair, CX etc etc.
Then just leave the Regionals to their own devices - bigger and better prop, or EMB170, sound ok?
thumpa, any usefull comment? or are you up to your brown eyes in peat?
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Dow Jones Monday November 10, 5:56 PM AEDT
Discount Carriers Now Thick On The Ground
By Helen Ubels and Lilly Vitorovich
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--To the irritation of Qantas that is now planning its own no-frills operation, Virgin Blue has grabbed more than 28% of the domestic market. It also has achieved a healthy level of profitability by targeting its low cost model on the nation's busiest routes and particularly the east coast where it has nearly 40%.
Virgin Blue is forecasting a 52% rise in sales to nearly A$1.39 billion in the year ending March 31, 2004 and a 39% rise in net profit to A$150 million from A$108 million in fiscal 2003.
No dividend is expected in fiscal 2004, and beyond that a dividend will be at the discretion of the board, it said.
Based on the indicative range, the offer price represents a price-to-earnings multiple of between 12.8 and 15.4 times 2004 earnings.
Virgin Blue's IPO will be the first of many in the Asia-Pacific region, according to the Center for Asia Pacific Aviation, predicting a transformation of the region's aviation industry over the coming six months.
"By mid-2004, most national airlines in Southeast Asia will be operating a low cost subsidiary," it said, adding that Thai Airways International PCL and Qantas are already developing their budget offshoots.
Singapore Airlines Ltd. and Philippine Airlines Inc. are studying whether to follow suit, while Air New Zealand Ltd. has already unveiled its Freedom Air subsidiary.
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Discount Carriers Now Thick On The Ground
By Helen Ubels and Lilly Vitorovich
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--To the irritation of Qantas that is now planning its own no-frills operation, Virgin Blue has grabbed more than 28% of the domestic market. It also has achieved a healthy level of profitability by targeting its low cost model on the nation's busiest routes and particularly the east coast where it has nearly 40%.
Virgin Blue is forecasting a 52% rise in sales to nearly A$1.39 billion in the year ending March 31, 2004 and a 39% rise in net profit to A$150 million from A$108 million in fiscal 2003.
No dividend is expected in fiscal 2004, and beyond that a dividend will be at the discretion of the board, it said.
Based on the indicative range, the offer price represents a price-to-earnings multiple of between 12.8 and 15.4 times 2004 earnings.
Virgin Blue's IPO will be the first of many in the Asia-Pacific region, according to the Center for Asia Pacific Aviation, predicting a transformation of the region's aviation industry over the coming six months.
"By mid-2004, most national airlines in Southeast Asia will be operating a low cost subsidiary," it said, adding that Thai Airways International PCL and Qantas are already developing their budget offshoots.
Singapore Airlines Ltd. and Philippine Airlines Inc. are studying whether to follow suit, while Air New Zealand Ltd. has already unveiled its Freedom Air subsidiary.
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I notice you seem to be pushing the downfall of Impulse again conrad. You have never told us or explained why you hate all the guys there and wish to see them out of work?
I dont think Ive ever seen such a blatant disregard for others well being before on this forum. I notice you have never given any details as to who you work for. The cynical bystander would draw a conclusion that you probably dont fly airliners for a living.
Im guessing by your churlish posts that you are younger tacker. It allways amazes me that guys never grow up in the industry. Do you really think people care as to who you fly for and what you fly.
You are a shamefull person at best! I think after this thread has finally finnished, most posters will have had enough of your negativity and take the rest of your posts with the many grains of salt that they obviously deserve.
I dont think Ive ever seen such a blatant disregard for others well being before on this forum. I notice you have never given any details as to who you work for. The cynical bystander would draw a conclusion that you probably dont fly airliners for a living.
Im guessing by your churlish posts that you are younger tacker. It allways amazes me that guys never grow up in the industry. Do you really think people care as to who you fly for and what you fly.
You are a shamefull person at best! I think after this thread has finally finnished, most posters will have had enough of your negativity and take the rest of your posts with the many grains of salt that they obviously deserve.
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DM,DM,DM - between your noodle packing, thumpa's fossicking with peat bogs,rostov's aero club tea order and cavemans club weilding, you guys could start an early learning center!
DM - I could care less, your point is?? please post something to get the thread back on track DM instead of bleating poor Impulse.
Like I said - your point is? It's a rumour network DM, I have my say like everybody else, it's your personal choice whether you choose to read what I write, and your personal choice as to whether you can't help yourself but reply, as you always do, much to the consternation of yourself only- build a bridge and get over it.
Whats the story - us at AN had to endure attitude after the collapse, so don't talk to me about lack of compassion pal- I don't feel the need to tell you where I work, or where I possibly will end up,so why don't you concern yourself with other matters.
Your pitifull attempt to try and fish for where I work, even saying I don't fly is pathetic, at the end of the day, I've probably been flying longer than you - you'll never know will you?
Now, does someone have any real ideas as to what the choice of aircraft thats going to the LCC?
YAWN!!!!!!!!
DM - I could care less, your point is?? please post something to get the thread back on track DM instead of bleating poor Impulse.
Like I said - your point is? It's a rumour network DM, I have my say like everybody else, it's your personal choice whether you choose to read what I write, and your personal choice as to whether you can't help yourself but reply, as you always do, much to the consternation of yourself only- build a bridge and get over it.
Whats the story - us at AN had to endure attitude after the collapse, so don't talk to me about lack of compassion pal- I don't feel the need to tell you where I work, or where I possibly will end up,so why don't you concern yourself with other matters.
Your pitifull attempt to try and fish for where I work, even saying I don't fly is pathetic, at the end of the day, I've probably been flying longer than you - you'll never know will you?
Now, does someone have any real ideas as to what the choice of aircraft thats going to the LCC?
YAWN!!!!!!!!
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DM, whilst I'm not convinced that Pete doesn't in fact wish you guys any ill will, it is always good to stop and look at things from anothers shoes.
Think about it; you guys at Impulse are actively promoting a reduction in pay and conditions Australia wide. The Management and Pilots at Airconnex have offered their services to the new LCC at their current rate of pay. Thats way less than even Virgin. More than JitCinnict and PB, I'll grant you, but still it is a substantial reduction from mainline.
Personally, I am not really fussed either way about the current Impulse operation. I certainly would not enjoy seeing you guys out of a job. But do try to see things from the other point of view. Those in mainline are about to watch their fiercly protected pay and conditions undermined yet again and believe it or not, it does affect us all..
Perhaps the Impulse Pilots Group should be attemting to improve their lot, rather than spread this plague of a reduction in conditions....
Just a thought. Please take it in the good spirit in which it was meant.
Think about it; you guys at Impulse are actively promoting a reduction in pay and conditions Australia wide. The Management and Pilots at Airconnex have offered their services to the new LCC at their current rate of pay. Thats way less than even Virgin. More than JitCinnict and PB, I'll grant you, but still it is a substantial reduction from mainline.
Personally, I am not really fussed either way about the current Impulse operation. I certainly would not enjoy seeing you guys out of a job. But do try to see things from the other point of view. Those in mainline are about to watch their fiercly protected pay and conditions undermined yet again and believe it or not, it does affect us all..
Perhaps the Impulse Pilots Group should be attemting to improve their lot, rather than spread this plague of a reduction in conditions....
Just a thought. Please take it in the good spirit in which it was meant.
Nunc est bibendum
Fair dinkum, you'd reckon that at least Impulse would've offered to do it for the SAME as Virgin but to offer for less? You guys need to have a good hard look at your representation!!
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Impulse drivers........
Don't sell yourselves short. LCC do have a history of paying the pilots well (Southwest and Ryanair work hard, but are well paid). Savings come from the structure, 3% from pilots.
Don't be forced into a deal you will regret VERY quickly (believe me, gloss rubs off) on the odd chance it will work at all. Bad advice and pressure from managers with NO IDEA is not the way to cut a deal.
Don't panic, be smart.
All the best..............
Don't sell yourselves short. LCC do have a history of paying the pilots well (Southwest and Ryanair work hard, but are well paid). Savings come from the structure, 3% from pilots.
Don't be forced into a deal you will regret VERY quickly (believe me, gloss rubs off) on the odd chance it will work at all. Bad advice and pressure from managers with NO IDEA is not the way to cut a deal.
Don't panic, be smart.
All the best..............