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Good find RMM, maybe Geoffrey Thomas can throw some more
light on this for us.
Airbus set to scoop Qantas order for low-fare lift
Dateline: Wednesday November 05, 2003
Qantas appears to have selected the A320/A321 family for its new low-cost airline, dubbed Skimpy internally.
In a tight delivery program, the airline wants to take up to 20 aircraft by mid-2004. While the type will be new to Qantas Group, the low-cost unit will subcontract many of its functions.
ANZ has just taken delivery of the first of 15 A320s and has lower labor costs than Qantas. The New Zealand carrier already is performing maintenance and refit for Qantas on its 747s. There is also a pool of A320 pilots still unemployed after the collapse of Ansett, while others who have secured employment offshore would like to return to Australia.
Qantas is keen to have a point of difference to low-cost rival Virgin Blue, which operates the 737-800, as Boeing cannot deliver its proposed 737-900X, which has economics closer to the A321, until late 2005.
Qantas officials said the bidding process is not finished and a decision will not be announced until late next week. But insiders tell ATWOnline that Boeing will have to perform magic to rescue the order as "the Airbus deal is outstanding."--Geoffrey Thomas
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light on this for us.
Airbus set to scoop Qantas order for low-fare lift
Dateline: Wednesday November 05, 2003
Qantas appears to have selected the A320/A321 family for its new low-cost airline, dubbed Skimpy internally.
In a tight delivery program, the airline wants to take up to 20 aircraft by mid-2004. While the type will be new to Qantas Group, the low-cost unit will subcontract many of its functions.
ANZ has just taken delivery of the first of 15 A320s and has lower labor costs than Qantas. The New Zealand carrier already is performing maintenance and refit for Qantas on its 747s. There is also a pool of A320 pilots still unemployed after the collapse of Ansett, while others who have secured employment offshore would like to return to Australia.
Qantas is keen to have a point of difference to low-cost rival Virgin Blue, which operates the 737-800, as Boeing cannot deliver its proposed 737-900X, which has economics closer to the A321, until late 2005.
Qantas officials said the bidding process is not finished and a decision will not be announced until late next week. But insiders tell ATWOnline that Boeing will have to perform magic to rescue the order as "the Airbus deal is outstanding."--Geoffrey Thomas
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GB, I'm rather interested and not just a little perturbed by your statement that AIPA pressured GD into buying the 738. Where on earth did that one come from?
And most of us DO still believe that the association is 744 pilots for 744 pilots, even despite the recent election results. The change is simply too late, the horse has already bolted.
And just out of interest, where is skimpy planning on parking these new airplanes? Where are these new gates going to be? Because our terminals are chokkas throughout the network already, without another 20 odd aircraft....
And most of us DO still believe that the association is 744 pilots for 744 pilots, even despite the recent election results. The change is simply too late, the horse has already bolted.
And just out of interest, where is skimpy planning on parking these new airplanes? Where are these new gates going to be? Because our terminals are chokkas throughout the network already, without another 20 odd aircraft....
"Pool of unemployed Ansett A320 Drivers"-
Don't forget the other pool Geoffrey! Australia is an exporter of airline pilots.
Australian pilots have help build up the operations of many Airbus operators abroad. They are current, some hold senior management and training positions and number in the hundreds!
The market could provide Dixon with as much Australian expertise in Airbus as he wants!
Don't forget the other pool Geoffrey! Australia is an exporter of airline pilots.
Australian pilots have help build up the operations of many Airbus operators abroad. They are current, some hold senior management and training positions and number in the hundreds!
The market could provide Dixon with as much Australian expertise in Airbus as he wants!
Nunc est bibendum
CJ, the president of AIPA at the time was in no uncertain terms that the very night before the announcement, A320s and NJS had the inside run for the order. Even as late as the morning of!
I wouldn't class it as 'AIPA pressure' but rather pressure from various members from the AIPA COM that got the gig our way. It is the same hard work that got us AO and hopefully will be the same hard work that gets us this one as well.
I wouldn't class it as 'AIPA pressure' but rather pressure from various members from the AIPA COM that got the gig our way. It is the same hard work that got us AO and hopefully will be the same hard work that gets us this one as well.
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Venture_Executive said:
I think you may have that statement back to front - more like Air NZ will be doing contract work for Qantas.
Anyway - isn't the old Ansett hangar still occupied by the Korda Mentha retirement fund?
At least with A320 it could use the old Ansett facility at Melbourne for a maintenance base as it has docking already suited to A320 and 737. In addition, it could do contract work for Air New Zealand on their A320s there. But what of their engine types?
Anyway - isn't the old Ansett hangar still occupied by the Korda Mentha retirement fund?
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Nasty rumour of a trustee pilot body doing a deal with the big q on the lcc which if true will see the end of them as big brother has bigger pockets and can fund the war from many fronts. Don't be stupid cockies, you will lose.
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Yes, I am aware of this also.
As I understand it, the Big Boss of Big Brother basically alienated them to the extent that they felt it was their only option i.e. Big Boss says 'expect the deal to go with us and if you are lucky you will be retrenched and made an S/O' (if you pass selection of course).
Something about keeping friends close.., oh and perhaps reaping what you sow........
Sooner or later Big Brother will wake up and smell the roses, the taxpaxer is no longer boss, it is the year 2003 we pagan mere mortals do not worship the occupant of a jumbos LH seat.
As I understand it, the Big Boss of Big Brother basically alienated them to the extent that they felt it was their only option i.e. Big Boss says 'expect the deal to go with us and if you are lucky you will be retrenched and made an S/O' (if you pass selection of course).
Something about keeping friends close.., oh and perhaps reaping what you sow........
Sooner or later Big Brother will wake up and smell the roses, the taxpaxer is no longer boss, it is the year 2003 we pagan mere mortals do not worship the occupant of a jumbos LH seat.
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Mulder,
If the Cockies do get the LCC and big brother wants a war, it will be with GD and the big Q, not the Cockies. Deeper pockets then big brother I would guess.
As longjohn said the group had no other option. With big brother playing right into GD's and the big Q's plan of devide and conquer. The Cockies should have been in big brothers house long ago.
Time will tell all.
If the Cockies do get the LCC and big brother wants a war, it will be with GD and the big Q, not the Cockies. Deeper pockets then big brother I would guess.
As longjohn said the group had no other option. With big brother playing right into GD's and the big Q's plan of devide and conquer. The Cockies should have been in big brothers house long ago.
Time will tell all.
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You've read more into the article than I did! I didn't see it say a confirmed order anywhere! Besides, my "sourse" (as you spelled) is normally pretty accurate, a bit weird I suppose, but normally pretty accurate!
Anyway, I enjoy a good bit of conversational speculation, even if thumpa doesn't.
Chocks away.
If you like the website, were you aware that you can get the magazine free if you are in the aviation industry? Comes out every month & is more comprehensive, Internationally, than the local mags!
You've read more into the article than I did! I didn't see it say a confirmed order anywhere! Besides, my "sourse" (as you spelled) is normally pretty accurate, a bit weird I suppose, but normally pretty accurate!
Anyway, I enjoy a good bit of conversational speculation, even if thumpa doesn't.
Chocks away.
If you like the website, were you aware that you can get the magazine free if you are in the aviation industry? Comes out every month & is more comprehensive, Internationally, than the local mags!
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thumpa enjoying conversational speculation? that'll be the day!!! All he does is post obnoxious retorts coz he works for Impulse. Because he works for Impulse he thinks he's pretty good you see, but he sits there with his rose coloured goggles and thumby up bummy...............can you feel it thumpa?
Were all clowns apart from thumpa??? turn it up peanut, if it wasn't for Impulse, you and your mates wouldn't have a job in aviation.
Were all clowns apart from thumpa??? turn it up peanut, if it wasn't for Impulse, you and your mates wouldn't have a job in aviation.
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Pete. Talk about the pot calling the kettle back. Your last dozen or so posts have ridiculed, and bad mouthed Impulse guys. All this from a person who has never worked at the pulse. So why the interest. I dont concern myself with the going ons at JAL or Swiss air for example. There is certainly more to you than meets the eye.
Bitter and twisted yes. Working for a major in Asia. Dosent sound like it. Get a life little matey. Your unfortunate slanging only highlights your ignorance toward others. I think most people on this forum have had enough of D1ck Heads like you.
Bitter and twisted yes. Working for a major in Asia. Dosent sound like it. Get a life little matey. Your unfortunate slanging only highlights your ignorance toward others. I think most people on this forum have had enough of D1ck Heads like you.
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No DM, you don't do you? bitter and twisted? no, you guys at the "pulse" like to sit back and be all pious don't you? you guys were the ones that brought in "if I can't get a job at a real airline, I'll go and get a 1900 rating" and buy myself a job.
listen to me matey, where as a very small amount in your outfit may have the required skill, that being ex 89 guys that can fly an aeroplane, the likes of you and thumpa would be the remainder.
And don't get hypocritical on me pal, you sit back and post flame waiting for me to post, so quite frankly, you aint much better than me are you when it comes to posting crap on pprune.
About Asia? your point being?
It's called a rumour network DM, if you can't handle a bit sh1tstirring amongst all the serious stuff, then that aint my problem.
listen to me matey, where as a very small amount in your outfit may have the required skill, that being ex 89 guys that can fly an aeroplane, the likes of you and thumpa would be the remainder.
And don't get hypocritical on me pal, you sit back and post flame waiting for me to post, so quite frankly, you aint much better than me are you when it comes to posting crap on pprune.
About Asia? your point being?
It's called a rumour network DM, if you can't handle a bit sh1tstirring amongst all the serious stuff, then that aint my problem.