What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?
 

I'll start the ball rolling.

"London, callsign with you".

"London, callsign request" (on VHF).

"London, callsign passing FL224, climbing FL260" (NOT an initial call).

So, what non-standard phraseologies do you hear regularly that you would like us to sort out?

PP

as i have said in my topic on PPRuNe

the Egyptian Controllers saying:

1-Radar Climb

2-and once in an emergency of a private jet (VP-BGS) (Have it recorded though the full 30 mins) the Pilot asked the ATC Several times if he can see the gear down or not and the Answer was Roger :D :D :D

3- During the same emergency the pilot asked the ATC if he can see landing lights or not the ATC Reply was : You want me to see landing lights or landing gears :}:ugh:

"Be advised...." - I believe it is an Americanism.:eek:

"c/s fully ready." (Used when baggage truck and fueller are still attached and pax are still boarding.)

"c/s fully visual."

"c/s request start." "Start-up approved." "Are we OK for push as well?"

"c/s short final." (Used when clearly on a very wide left base.)

c/s " On frequency"

"Blocked" -no callsign given or anything.

In my opinion very useful when someone else on frequency has blocked my transmission. I don't need to know a callsign or any other extraneous rubbish, I just need to know I need to transmit the last again, and quickly.

"Blocked"

Zooker is right on the money with that one. As a controller a reply is expected for most of our transmissions, so if one is not received we retransmit and if we do not answer your transmission you (the pilot) call us again.
But by far I think the worst trend are pilots not using callsigns :ugh:

CZHU

"Blocked"
 

Looking at CAP 413, I think the correct phraseology (UK at least),
should be:-
Say Again callsign, - but please correct me if I'm wrong!

Zooker, controllerzhu, With respect, I think you are missing the point of an anonymous ’Blocked’. Pilots can often hear radio exchanges which are lost to the controller.

An example; you issue a climb clearance to ABC. However, DEF had misheard the call-sign and thought it was for him. ABC and DEF reply at the same time. ABC, the correct respondent, is closer to your receiving antenna and his call completely obscures the incorrect call from DEF, and both commence a climb. Now you’ve got an aircraft going walkabout.

However, it’s just possible that a third aircraft was in a position to hear the radio conflict which you’d missed. An immediate ‘Blocked’ could well alert ABC/DEF to confirm what they are/aren't supposed to be doing.

Here in Florida we often hear " Tally ho". :hmm:

Radar heading .....

approaching..... FL, place... whatever

The a/c has always been "approaching" somewhere / some level since it first moved. How far away is "approaching", anyway? 2000ft, 100 miles? :rolleyes:

Where the aeroplane actually IS, would be more useful.

BEX

Not quite phraseology as much as airmanship, but I hate it when some crews call

"reaching FLxxx looking for further climb"

When I then point out they have traffic 1 mile away crossing 1000' above they often reply

"We have that on TCAS"

:ugh::ugh:

"turn left onto a heading of........"

The "of" is usually drawn out while the culprit dreams up the heading that they should have had in mind before they actually commenced this atrocious transmission.

Some controllers from a country far south on the African continent like to use "cancel heading, cleared direct XXX/ resume own nav XXX.
Strangely enough, a lot of the same people like to use the term "radar heading" as mentioned by a previous poster

Aircraft approaching the holding point is told to monitor AMC. Pilot decides to call AMC to report ready for departure. In most cases AMC will assume all aircraft at the hold are ready. Please do not make this 'we are ready' call, it is a complete waste of RT space and controller thinking time. If AMC needs to know if you're ready he will call you.

Thanks

"Confirm"

as in "XXX descend to FL150, confirm?"

If FL150 heard, read that back and do it.
If unsure of the instruction, say "say again".

Especially when "confirm" comes at the end of every readback, as a matter of routine.

If all ATCOs and PILOTS would think that prioir to transmitting, all you have to do is:

STAND UP, SPEAK UP + SHUT UP

everyone's working lives would be a lot easier.:rolleyes::eek::=

"XYZ123 is visual if it helps" when it obvious to all and sundry that not only is the frequency going nineteen-to-the-dozen but there are at least 7 or 8 aircraft ahead.

Echo the above comment on the "Fully Ready" nonsense which seems to have evolved into three stages: "Ready in 5 minutes", "Nearly Ready" and "Fully Ready" (I even had a "nearly fully ready" call the other day) :ugh::ugh: you are either ready or you aren't.

DD

Those R/T users who feel they don't have to readback certain things, but
end up saying more words than the correct readback:ugh:

"We are fully ready, just waiting for the tug"

Well YOU might be but its cock all use to me.

"[SQUAWK] IN THE BOX." or "[SQUAWK] COMING IN."

Any US traffic - Any ride reports, or Checking in FL320 slight chop. - They usually fly Boeings and are therefore lower than us :eek:

Who cares, what can you do about it and do any of you Americans actually read a Sig Weather chart - if so, you would realise that today is not going to be a good day for smooth rides so stop whining :suspect:

Now, I will stop whining.

Damn, that felt good :E

1. "Copied the wind ..."

2. "Roger, er ... descend er ... 3000 ft ... er .... QNH er ... say again"

1. "Roger, that's understood"

2. "Report your position, this time"

Sounds pretty standard to me. You should be able to find it in the AIM in the Pilot/Controller Glossary right next to "No Joy".

"Remain clear of controlled airspace." (= keep away from my patch until I've sorted my £hit out here, boy!)

I generally aim to do exactly that, unless ATC say I'm allowed in. That's why I'm calling.

"Terrain separation is your own responsibility." (= I have no real idea how high the ground is round abouts where you say you are, and to be honest, I've no time to find out).

Too right! Even if ATC says fly right into the ground, I'm not so stupid as to do it without an argument.

(Yes, I know, you have to say it but it always grates....). ;)

Yes, absolutely disgraceful! The correct phrase being:-

"Remain outside controlled airspace" ;)

This fully ready business has no reference in CAP413 and it is utter bollocks really. Sadly it is very common with some of our colleagues that fly into larger airfields - LL springs to mind. If you are fully ready then you 'Request Start'.

One BAW called fully ready on one occasion and the controller replied 'Mmm - are you requesting push and start?' Made me smile!

Just thought of another;

"Squawk 1234, coming down.":rolleyes:

PP

"Finals." How many approaches are we making here? Or, "Ready for departure." followed by at least a minutes worth of; full and free movement of controls, illumination of landing/taxy lights exercise of throttles /pitch levers and finally off we go.

Many are the pilots just to the SW of this zone who may "aim" to remain clear of controlled airspace but their aim is ****e. :}

It does no harm at all to hammer the point home repeatedly in the hope that it may stick.

On another matter, I welcome the third party "blocked" which I occasionally hear on my frequency. It speeds up the realisation that someone could have picked up an instruction meant for someone else. Or that I have not been heard at all.

Here's one: "tower confirm we're cleared to land"

Pilots are by all means welcome to say this at any stage, but it always freaks me out when I hear it with an aircraft on very short finals and results in a panicky look down the runway...:eek:

Any non-italian pilot who uses the phrase 'ciao'

Always makes me mutter something under my breath, and then a quick check that I hadn't transmitted it!!

I know it is standard but....

"Radar Information limited due ..........." I haven't had a unlimited RI in about a year now.

"Your under my sector safe and resposable for your own terrian seperation."
Yes I know, I am always resposable for that not with standing the fact I am VFR on a FIS.

I know its a comfort zone thing and bum covering and I am sure its a pain to say it as it is to listen to it.

And I always cringe when everyone is getting told to listen out on tower. Then someone proceeds to give a full booking in including "fully ready" when there is 4 planes in front at the runway hold. All while the tower guy has 1 departing, 2 on final for the fixed wing runway, 1 landing on the heli strip and 1 on final for it with 3 waiting to go. With us usually sitting watching the whole thing from E3 thinking how the hell does manage all that (dips hat to ABZ tower controllers)

Sorta not really a phraseology thing but anyway...

'London, good morning ryanair (normally lol) **** passing 2 thousand, for 4 thousand, CLN departure, squawking ident'

dont squawk ident before we tell you too guys and girls: There is a reason why we ask for an ident, and you dont give us one...
1) you're not identified if you do :=
2) its bloody annoying :ugh:

This piece of unnecessary phraseology regularly used on departure at a certain busy field by a certain low-fares airline:

".....passing 3000 ft..."

Which translates as: "we're in a hurry, turn us early off the SID"

(Recent utterances by this airline's management about controllers, however, loosely translate as: "full SID please") :E :E :E

Yesterday, Brussels Approach:

XXX Airline descend to 3000 feet

XXX Airline descend to 2500 feet

all the Airplanes respondet in the correct way: descending Altitude 3000.....
but the Lady continued that way. Seems to be her standard




inbalance

"....traffic COPIED..."
"....COPIED the traffic..."

Why not complement this rubbish with "TEN FOUR RUBBER DUCK"?

ACKNOWLEDGED or ROGER should be used where appropriate.

And how about "Hotjet 123 REQUEST?"

"...sigh....Hotjet 123 pass your message."

"Hotjet 123 request flight level 320."

Why not just ask this in the first place instead of preparing the controller to write out your shopping list?

London you are by far the worst offenders for not reading the last digit of a frequency.....120.225 is exactly that, not "one two zero decimal two two." You seem to be slick with all other transmissions so why is this such a glaring one very day? Is it because the "5" doesn't appear on your screen? Don't spoil the good work!

"Control, we're running a bit behind schedule and would appreciate any track shortening you can provide us...."

Of course I'll shorten your tracking a) when it suits me to do so and b) anytime..... after your airline has the foresight to offer me discounted tickets. Until then, fly the airway!!:}

I am suprised that know one has brought up the....

"We have the traffic on TCAS"

Leftbass The request to confirm the landing clearance is purely a CRM thing. In our landing checklist the cleared to land/runway clear check is the last item. The second last action is at 500ft agl. So if anyone has missed or not sure, even if one person is 100% sure it has been given I have always been taught to check. I reckon my memory lasts about 4 miles, 2 miles if the wx is horrible.