What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?
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From: Egcc
What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?
I'll start the ball rolling.
"London, callsign with you".
"London, callsign request" (on VHF).
"London, callsign passing FL224, climbing FL260" (NOT an initial call).
So, what non-standard phraseologies do you hear regularly that you would like us to sort out?
PP
"London, callsign with you".
"London, callsign request" (on VHF).
"London, callsign passing FL224, climbing FL260" (NOT an initial call).
So, what non-standard phraseologies do you hear regularly that you would like us to sort out?
PP
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From: There !
as i have said in my topic on PPRuNe
the Egyptian Controllers saying:
1-Radar Climb
2-and once in an emergency of a private jet (VP-BGS) (Have it recorded though the full 30 mins) the Pilot asked the ATC Several times if he can see the gear down or not and the Answer was Roger
3- During the same emergency the pilot asked the ATC if he can see landing lights or not the ATC Reply was : You want me to see landing lights or landing gears
the Egyptian Controllers saying:
1-Radar Climb
2-and once in an emergency of a private jet (VP-BGS) (Have it recorded though the full 30 mins) the Pilot asked the ATC Several times if he can see the gear down or not and the Answer was Roger
3- During the same emergency the pilot asked the ATC if he can see landing lights or not the ATC Reply was : You want me to see landing lights or landing gears
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From: UK
"c/s fully ready." (Used when baggage truck and fueller are still attached and pax are still boarding.)
"c/s fully visual."
"c/s request start." "Start-up approved." "Are we OK for push as well?"
"c/s short final." (Used when clearly on a very wide left base.)
"c/s fully visual."
"c/s request start." "Start-up approved." "Are we OK for push as well?"
"c/s short final." (Used when clearly on a very wide left base.)
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From: Somewhere
Blocked
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From: Texas
"Blocked"
Zooker is right on the money with that one. As a controller a reply is expected for most of our transmissions, so if one is not received we retransmit and if we do not answer your transmission you (the pilot) call us again.
But by far I think the worst trend are pilots not using callsigns
CZHU
Zooker is right on the money with that one. As a controller a reply is expected for most of our transmissions, so if one is not received we retransmit and if we do not answer your transmission you (the pilot) call us again.
But by far I think the worst trend are pilots not using callsigns
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From: 58-33N. 00-18W. Peterborough UK
Zooker, controllerzhu, With respect, I think you are missing the point of an anonymous ’Blocked’. Pilots can often hear radio exchanges which are lost to the controller.
An example; you issue a climb clearance to ABC. However, DEF had misheard the call-sign and thought it was for him. ABC and DEF reply at the same time. ABC, the correct respondent, is closer to your receiving antenna and his call completely obscures the incorrect call from DEF, and both commence a climb. Now you’ve got an aircraft going walkabout.
However, it’s just possible that a third aircraft was in a position to hear the radio conflict which you’d missed. An immediate ‘Blocked’ could well alert ABC/DEF to confirm what they are/aren't supposed to be doing.
An example; you issue a climb clearance to ABC. However, DEF had misheard the call-sign and thought it was for him. ABC and DEF reply at the same time. ABC, the correct respondent, is closer to your receiving antenna and his call completely obscures the incorrect call from DEF, and both commence a climb. Now you’ve got an aircraft going walkabout.
However, it’s just possible that a third aircraft was in a position to hear the radio conflict which you’d missed. An immediate ‘Blocked’ could well alert ABC/DEF to confirm what they are/aren't supposed to be doing.
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From: I sell sea shells by the sea shore
approaching..... FL, place... whatever
The a/c has always been "approaching" somewhere / some level since it first moved. How far away is "approaching", anyway? 2000ft, 100 miles?
Where the aeroplane actually IS, would be more useful.
BEX
The a/c has always been "approaching" somewhere / some level since it first moved. How far away is "approaching", anyway? 2000ft, 100 miles?
Where the aeroplane actually IS, would be more useful.
BEX
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Not quite phraseology as much as airmanship, but I hate it when some crews call
"reaching FLxxx looking for further climb"
When I then point out they have traffic 1 mile away crossing 1000' above they often reply
"We have that on TCAS"
"reaching FLxxx looking for further climb"
When I then point out they have traffic 1 mile away crossing 1000' above they often reply
"We have that on TCAS"
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From: in the zone
"turn left onto a heading of........"
The "of" is usually drawn out while the culprit dreams up the heading that they should have had in mind before they actually commenced this atrocious transmission.
The "of" is usually drawn out while the culprit dreams up the heading that they should have had in mind before they actually commenced this atrocious transmission.
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From: Here,there and ewerywhere
Some controllers from a country far south on the African continent like to use "cancel heading, cleared direct XXX/ resume own nav XXX.
Strangely enough, a lot of the same people like to use the term "radar heading" as mentioned by a previous poster
Strangely enough, a lot of the same people like to use the term "radar heading" as mentioned by a previous poster
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From: way down south
Aircraft approaching the holding point is told to monitor AMC. Pilot decides to call AMC to report ready for departure. In most cases AMC will assume all aircraft at the hold are ready. Please do not make this 'we are ready' call, it is a complete waste of RT space and controller thinking time. If AMC needs to know if you're ready he will call you.
Thanks
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
"Confirm"
as in "XXX descend to FL150, confirm?"
If FL150 heard, read that back and do it.
If unsure of the instruction, say "say again".
Especially when "confirm" comes at the end of every readback, as a matter of routine.
as in "XXX descend to FL150, confirm?"
If FL150 heard, read that back and do it.
If unsure of the instruction, say "say again".
Especially when "confirm" comes at the end of every readback, as a matter of routine.
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From: Scotland
"XYZ123 is visual if it helps" when it obvious to all and sundry that not only is the frequency going nineteen-to-the-dozen but there are at least 7 or 8 aircraft ahead.
Echo the above comment on the "Fully Ready" nonsense which seems to have evolved into three stages: "Ready in 5 minutes", "Nearly Ready" and "Fully Ready" (I even had a "nearly fully ready" call the other day) you are either ready or you aren't.
DD
Echo the above comment on the "Fully Ready" nonsense which seems to have evolved into three stages: "Ready in 5 minutes", "Nearly Ready" and "Fully Ready" (I even had a "nearly fully ready" call the other day)
you are either ready or you aren't.DD