I finally have a start date, Jan 7th Tower course....exactly 1 year to the day after I submitted my application! Can't wait. :D

permanent resident requirement
 

Hi everyone,

just got this email from ASA


Thank you for your interest in Airservices Australia.

Please provide us with official citizenship/residency proof so that we can progress your application further.

Kind regards,

Recruitment Team
Airservices Australia

The thing is, I uploaded my visa grant email with my application... Not sure what I can provide them as this is the only proof I have! So I forwarded them a copy of the email and asked if that is sufficient, otherwise, I will have to go get my visa put in my passport. :(

Give them a call.

If you're really brave, tell 'em it's not Airservices Australia anymore :O

No phone number provided or someone's name :( Just recruitment team.. Why do you say they are not Airservices Australia anymore? Did I miss something? I sent them 3 emails back... One explaining the situation, one just forwarding the email from immigration and one authorising them to access my visa info... If that doesn't work, not sure what will? I will go get my visa put in my passport next Friday and then I can email them a copy of that. This is going to delay my application :( I have a feeling tonight's email should've been about doing the online tests :(

Oh well.. just sit back and wait...

The good news is, they've acknowledged me and are interested enough to ask for more info :)

No you didn't. It's just something to do with the corporate literature guidelines; i.e. the company is "Airservices", not ASA, not Airservices Australia...

Hi all, been reading this forum for a while trying to get a bit more prepared for the recruitment process. So big thanks to all, this forum's been a massive help.

So I have reached the assessment centre stage, and that is taking place in Sydney this week. So I was just checking to see if there's any other people attending Assessment Centres this week?

Hi all,

I placed my application online on 12th June, by the 17th I was asked to complete the online test. I completed the test on the 18th and by the 21st June I was ask to organise a time for a 15 phone interview. Is this strange about the time line so far?

There is nothing strange with your timeline so far. Just good timing of when you submitted your application.

The process moved fast for me in the beginning also (I got the phone interview stuff at 8am after completing the online test the night before) but then it all slowed down after the phone interview. I waited 1.5 months for the assessment day, then another 1.5 months to hear that I had the job. I now have a 6 months wait to start my course because I particularly wanted to do a Tower course, there were much earlier starting dates for Enroute though.

Good luck with it!

That's great SLS... I think the timeframe depends on how many applications they have to go through. I had to resubmit my application over the weekend since they did not like my proof of residency I originally attached.. So I have to sit back and wait again. Hopefully it's not another 3 weeks again! Good luck with the rest of the application process :)

Anyone else besides Cadetkid starting the enroute course in Brisbane on July 30th?

Ruth - there was only 6 people on my assessment day which I believe is standard. The way its run, any more than 6 wouldn't work! And yes, you need to fund your own flights/accom/transport if required!
Good luck and don't stress out too much before hand, it's not really a day you can 'study' for. And no you don't need to bring anything!

Online tests
 

Hi all i have just been asked to complete the online testing for ASA, im just wondering how intense these are and what i should brush up, Im confused as to weather they are as hard as the actually testing center or just a bit of profiling, please let me know so i can prepare

Cheers guys :)

Have a look at this....
 

Check out post #4 on this page (http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/311...c-testing.html ) , way back at the beginning of this thread, hope it helps. I have been brushing up on the Speed, Time and Distance formula's and questions I have found in an effort to get the brain juices flowing again. :ok:

good luck Sambo... I'm in the same boat.. got my email yesterday.. I think all you can do is make sure you have uninterrupted time to do it so you can focus...

Hey Fifi,
I'm pretty sure I was on the same day as you. I got the call about a month ago :) but chose Melbourne instead so that was either September or November. Apart from the congratulations email and the medical ones have they actually sent you anything ? - Wonder how many others from our day made it through....

Bug276, that post was over three years ago. The selection process has changed since then. If you search this thread for the FAQ posted by Willadvise, you'll find more up to date information.

You are such a party-pooper Steve :) I also brushed up on my time, distance speed questions and not 1 was asked during the entire process! Shame to let everyone else in on the secret that they are no longer asked!

Stick with the Lumosity and you can't go wrong. There are no guarantees that it will help but at least you will have fun doing it.

Planning very far ahead!
 

Hi to all,

I'm a newbie on the thread and obviously want to follow the career path of ATC. From researching these forums, hitting up current ATCs and looking through various websites I believe it will be a great career path. I've just moved to Brisbane and have at least 2 years of Partner Visa paperwork and bureaucracy to wait just until I can apply for a position (not just ATC, pretty much any job post requires the candidate to be either a citizen or a permanent resident). Frustrating but completely understood with the cost of training etc.

So I have at least two years of research for the position to hopefully get into the top 1/3/5% of applicants which is often quoted. I have a good background in Mathematics (A grade at year 13 or A-Levels as they are in Britain). And a Degree BSc in Geography. My questions are what would you suggest as a good way to go. I'm looking at IQ tests and psychometric tests constantly along with playing ATC games! I have seen in another forum that the book and interactive DVD "Air Traffic Control Career Prep" by Patrick Mattson is worthwhile. Any reviews here? I know that it is widely said not to do much preparation but for myself with 2 years at least to wait it seems ridiculous not to give myself the best possible chances of getting through quickly!

Secondly, are you aware of any voluntary positions that are generally available to get some experience of being around ATC and to be able to ask questions. I will obviously call my local centre (Brisbane) and try to arrange tours but I see this is difficult without having already got to an Assessment Centre.

Finally, reading Will Advise's FAQ to the process, he mentions Brisbane as training centre, I believe that this is just for the final "in field" process as described on the Airservices website and that the 12 month training solely takes part in Melbourne?

Any help regarding any of this would be much appreciated, I'm excited and just wanting to gain a better understanding, this is also helping me keep trudging through the paperwork for residency!

Thanks!

Hi there. I’m not sure if I’m the only one in this boat as there seem to be quite a few success stories posted on here of late, but I haven’t heard anything about the status of my application since my March assessment day. And queries about the status of my application seem to be getting stonewalled by recruitment just now...

It’s just all a little disappointing when an organisation which is supposed to be based on swift and accurate decision making, doesn’t feel it necessary to advise candidates of a definitive “yes” or “no” outcome within a reasonable timeframe. I certainly feel as though I’ve kept up my side of the bargain - all the screening, testing and interviews, supplying all requested documentation and personal information, sourcing and forwarding through all qualifications and other requested information, advising referees, and then taking time out of work to complete a full day of further hoop-jumping at the assessment centre.

Surely a courteous and timely response isn’t too much to ask for? Surely?

brit12: I cant help with the rest of the questions, but in regards to brisbane as a training centre, they do hold the initial 12 month courses in brisbane as well, but not very often. Im about to start mine in brisbane in just under a months time :)

Brit12, it's not really a case of being in the top 1% to get through, as much as I'd like to say it is :E

As has been mentioned heaps of times on this forum, you either have it or you don't. You can do all the preparation in the world to advance through the selection process and get on a course, but if you aren't right for the job you won't get through the training.

There have been plenty of people posting here that wanted to be controllers more than anything in the world, and they didn't get selected despite all their preparations. Then there are people in the job that saw the ad and thought they'd give it a try, having no prior knowledge of what it entailed.

Airservices has been like this for a long, long time and it's unlikely that anything will change any time soon. As tough as it is, you will need to become used to being patient. There were people on this thread, a few years back, who waited eighteen months between applying and starting a course. The system has been streamlined significantly since then but I agree, it's not a good introduction to the organisation is it?

Thanks for the quick replies there.

Cadet Kid, that's good that they hold the courses in Brisbane too, all be it less often but there seems to be no word of this on their website or even the recruitment email reply I received didn't mention it but then again the recruitment email reply was just sent from someone who copied and pasted the information on the internet and didn't give me any extra help (in regards to British qualifications etc.) Good luck with your training.

Steve, thanks for your reply too, I do understand what you are saying and I have looked through all of the hundreds of threads. Although yes you either have it or you don't I still feel like I should at least brush up on skills and get some preparation material, not to "cheat" the test but to rev up my mind beforehand. I'll just make sure I don't go overboard and spend the next 2 years solely pinning my hopes on getting an ATC position!

Thanks!

It's not a great look :hmm: Does it all pull together a bit better once the actual training courses begin, though?

I don't think they do it to torture you. I think they are really busy with the volume of applications they receive. So if you didn't make the cut, you are not the priority to be contacted.

24th May here as well and nothing yet, i was told the same but i also was told that the results go through several approvals so i guess thats were it could be.

just wondering how is one judged at the academy? can someone be told goodbye during the course or is there a final exam which one has to pass after the training? or there are series of exams.

like in the flight dispatch licensing there's an exam every week and must pass each one of them.

Hey Blackgoat, I'm in a very similar situation - I have just accepted a new role in my current field and am making plans to relocate. Even if I were to hear back now, I don't think I could justify the loss of income for so much uncertainty...

Brit12, honestly there isn't anything in particular that could train you for the application process, just make sure you're good with your math. I didn't even know that en-route controllers EXISTED when I went for my interview, and now I'm almost at the end of the training. I'd suggest don't go overboard in your preparation. Airservices will teach you everything you want to know, and training a blank canvas is a lot easier than fixing deep-set problems. The training can take place at either Melbourne or Brisbane, they'll give you a choice. The training centre at Melbourne is just a lot bigger and more courses go through. And like it was mentioned, it's not the top 1% of applicants, they'll hire whoever they think has the ability to make it as an ATC. If you pass you pass, you're not competing against anyone else. Code89, at the academy there's 3 different levels of review. You're monitored by an instructor in your daily sim runs, then spaced out in each module you have Personal Evaluations, where you get a more in-depth mark of where you are and what you need to work on, then at the end of each module is the practical exam that you have to pass. There's 4 main modules, DTI (traffic), non-radar, radar & combined ops.

Hey Ruth

I had my assessment centre today, there will be a max of 6 people at the centre, it is very personal and you get plenty of time to ask questions. I enjoyed the process.

With regards to the online testing I found it a challenge and just remember to trust you choices and if it doesn't work out it doesn't work out.

Good luck with everyone else who is applying.

Education requirements
 

I am currently an air traffic controller in the RAF and have 8 years experience in this profession. I am looking to move to Australia next year as a permanent resident. I was hoping to get a job with Airservices Australia but I notice that one of the requirements for controlling is a minimum of 50% pass rate in year 12 English, Maths and Science. From what I can see year 12 exams are the equivalent to A Levels. I have 9 GCSE A-C passes (including English, Maths and Science) and 4 A Level A-C passes. My A Level subjects where Government and Politics,English Literature, History and General Studies. I have sent an e-mail to AirServices Australia to ask for their assistance but if anyone has any experience in this area it would be a great weight of my mind if I could get some answer on this matter. Thanks!

Hi


"Looking to move & Hoping to get" has no currency in OZ as many others can attest to.

First question is :

How are you planning to get permanent residency status ?

Unless you are either married to an Ozzie, have a load of points to qualify under the short list of wanted skill sets (dont think ATC is officially one of them - but midwife is , or was) or 7 figures in the bank this first hurdle will be a stopper.

On the other hand as ex mil ATC there may still be another way in but not through ASA (initially at least)!

Table below gives equivalent values based on 3 A levels; UK grade = points = enter score = overall position / Queensland only

What you need for ASA Ive no idea!

http://www.britishcouncil.org/au-edu...-school-system

A-level Points IB UAI/TER/ENTER QLD OP
AAA 38 98.30 2
AAB 36 96.95 3
ABB 34 95.05 4
BBB 32 92.55 5
BBC 30 89.60 6/7
BCC 28 85.95 8
CCC 26 81.65 9
CCD 24 76.85 11
CDD 22 74.10 12
DDD 20 68.90 13
DDE 18 63.25 14/15
DEE 16 57.15 16
EEE 14 50.60 17/18
EE 12 43.60 19/20

Hope this helps

BD

BurglarsDog,

Thank you for the reply. My wife is Aussie and when we apply for the visa we will have been married for 2 years and we also have a 5 month old son. Hopefully permanent residency shouldn't be a problem but I know there is a lot of paperwork before this happens.

Thanks for the chart as well. I score 95.05 so I hope this would at least give me the opportunity to start the process with AirServices(whether I complete it is obviously a totally different story)

When you talk about a different avenue initially, do you mean RAAF and Joint Battlefield Airspace Controller? I have sent RAAF an e-mail today to see if there was any chance of me being recruited for this profession.

Thanks for your help

Hi Paulo,

From what I can remember in lieu of the specific educational requirements Airservices also accept previous employment as a controller. Although, I'm pretty sure you'll find with your quals it wouldn't be a problem. I've only got GCSE's and I got in, I did JATCC in 2006.

At the beginning of last year the RAAF were recruiting for ATC and I imagine that that would be an avenue worth exploring if you were looking into transferring anyway.

If I can help at all, just PM me.

Cheers now,

Spanks

Hi folks.
Quick question...

Where are Terminal Radar controlers sourced from? Do enroute people get shifted into these roles or are tower people retrained or is it already part of the tower course?


Thanks
VB

.... Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere.

Generally drawn from en route, more due to weight of numbers than anything else I guess. An additional course is required by both tower and en route.

Have been offered 17th September. Anyone else on this start date?

Also, do ATC's get paid for the overtime they do?

Nope Partridge, Melbourne.

Dont think I can make it though. Might have to ask for November

The RAAF might take you on, but not necessarily as an ATC... but worth following up.
Airservices used to have short-course MIL ATC conversion courses (on the presumption you were coming from the RAAF). Not sure if that is still the case, but in any case if you're already licensed as MIL ATC that would ordinarily be taken into consideration and would surpass "new school leaver type" fundamental qualification requirements. So, don't despair. Suggest you also try to speak to people over the telephone rather than simply trying to chase via email.