Dubai/Abu Dhabi vacancies

[atcofromeu]

Hi everyone! Halfway thourgh the hiring process with GANS. Because I'm new here, could someone send me a pm about he package they offer for approach controllers? Many thanks.

[Voel]

The salary package has been adjusted downward at the time I left GANS. So will not be in a position to help you. It is still way above average than any other job in the UAE

[Somewhere In Time]

Sit tight

I would sit tight and wait for the packages increase. UAE are all **** packages at the moment considering the cost of living. Especially if you have kids in school age.
The polish guy that just resigned from DXB tower after completing his initial training due to “it just not worth it” is testament to the current state of affairs.

[BugsBeny]

Hi Somewhere in time,

do you actually know the packages in UAE and other countries in Middle East ?

Are GANS and DANS/Serco so different in working conditions / management / salaries ?

thanks so much in advance for your reply.

Originally Posted by Somewhere In Time

I would sit tight and wait for the packages increase. UAE are all **** packages at the moment considering the cost of living. Especially if you have kids in school age.
The polish guy that just resigned from DXB tower after completing his initial training due to “it just not worth it” is testament to the current state of affairs.

[therocketscientist]

I saw somewhere that Ras Al Khaimah were recruiting. Is it just as bad as everywhere else in that area at the moment?

[Mr.Ktower]

Anyone on abu dhabi tower?

What’s about package at abu dhabi tower ?
If i come from single runway experience 250 movements per day it is possible for abu dhabi or al ain ? Thx

[Somewhere In Time]

Originally Posted by Mr.Ktower

What’s about package at abu dhabi tower ?
If i come from single runway experience 250 movements per day it is possible for abu dhabi or al ain ? Thx

At the moment they are desperate and will take anyone with some decent experience. AUH/DXB used to have a big pile of CVs they could choose from but that has completely dried up to a point where they are recalling people thay have previously failed the application process

[Mr.Ktower]

Still need 5 years experience to apply or less than 5 also can apply.

Originally Posted by Somewhere In Time

At the moment they are desperate and will take anyone with some decent experience. AUH/DXB used to have a big pile of CVs they could choose from but that has completely dried up to a point where they are recalling people thay have previously failed the application process

Still need 5 years experience to apply or less than 5 also can apply due to extreamly short staff

[Random ATCO]

Originally Posted by Somewhere In Time

At the moment they are desperate and will take anyone with some decent experience. AUH/DXB used to have a big pile of CVs they could choose from but that has completely dried up to a point where they are recalling people thay have previously failed the application process

It does not sound like a great plan haha

I always thought ANSPs in the ME had tons of money to spare, but it seems they are getting stingy and conditions are actually worse than at most ANSPs in Europe, taking into account the (artificially) high cost of living in the ME. Money will not go to ATCOs pockets but to landlord's pockets...

[Somewhere In Time]

Originally Posted by Random ATCO

It does not sound like a great plan haha

I always thought ANSPs in the ME had tons of money to spare, but it seems they are getting stingy and conditions are actually worse than at most ANSPs in Europe, taking into account the (artificially) high cost of living in the ME. Money will not go to ATCOs pockets but to landlord's pockets...

yes they do have lots of money but their leaders are too afraid to stick their heads out and demand increases. Also, the local managers couldn’t give a **** because they earn in excess of 25000$ pr month anyway. Plus allowances and bonuses. Average increase over the past 10 years is 1% per year. To attract new controllers from busy main airports around the world salaries now need to be at least 20000$ pr month. Plus allowances.
Also, the whole thing about ME being tax free just isnt true anymore. Yes there is no incometax as such but everything you buy/sell/trade is severely taxed one way or the other. Travel in and out of the region has also become ridiculously expensive for people that live there.

[Somewhere In Time]

Originally Posted by Mr.Ktower

Still need 5 years experience to apply or less than 5 also can apply due to extreamly short staff

depends on where you are working at the moment. If you have 3+ years at an fairly busy airport/airspace, familiar with dual runway operations I’d say you have a good chance.

[PAX on PAX off]

Hello everyone.

I'm looking to possibly relocate to the ME. However I do worry my current experience would not qualify me for any testing at all, what are your thoughts?

TWR ATCO ADI/APS with crossing runways topped out at 22000 movements a year. 8-10 years experience. Is there a chance to be called for testing?

[mhk77]

Can't be long before a 2008-esque pay rise gets thrown at Dubai I should imagine. I was approached by a jobhunter for Dubai recently and when I asked what the package was, it was almost exactly the same as it was when I left 10 years ago. Not sure why they can't work out why they're struggling to recruit when many other parts of the world are pulling away with their Ts and Cs.

[Planetick]

DFS-AS DXB/DWC

DAS (DFS Aviation Sevices, former Tower Company) providing ANS personnel from 2025 on. They’re looking for TWR/APP personnel here

[PAX on PAX off]

Originally Posted by mhk77

Can't be long before a 2008-esque pay rise gets thrown at Dubai I should imagine. I was approached by a jobhunter for Dubai recently and when I asked what the package was, it was almost exactly the same as it was when I left 10 years ago. Not sure why they can't work out why they're struggling to recruit when many other parts of the world are pulling away with their Ts and Cs.

What was the package and what do they actually mean in the ad where they require experience from "a major international airport". Do they ever consider/test candidates from lower traffic volume TWR?

Maybe you can DM me if you dont want to post it here.

[rshhw]

Originally Posted by PAX on PAX off

What was the package and what do they actually mean in the ad where they require experience from "a major international airport". Do they ever consider/test candidates from lower traffic volume TWR?

Maybe you can DM me if you dont want to post it here.

They claim "a major international airport" is at least 600 movements per day. It is quite a high bar, as there are many good controlles who have earlier succeeded for DXB coming from much less movements environment. I personally recon that movements does not always equal complexity.

[PAX on PAX off]

Originally Posted by rshhw

They claim "a major international airport" is at least 600 movements per day. It is quite a high bar, as there are many good controlles who have succeeded for DXB coming from much less movements environment . To me personally, movement does not equal complexity.

600 movements per day is quite excessive, but I guess they have to set some kind of bar. I come from a quite low movement TWR but want to try and apply i wonder what my changes are. We'll see I guess.

[rshhw]

Originally Posted by PAX on PAX off

600 movements per day is quite excessive, but I guess they have to set some kind of bar. I come from a quite low movement TWR but want to try and apply i wonder what my changes are. We'll see I guess.

As far as I know, they dont offer you APC if this criteria is not met.

[PAX on PAX off]

Originally Posted by rshhw

As far as I know, they dont offer you APC if this criteria is not met.

I see it makes sense. Thanks for the information. What options are there in the ME at the moment coming from a low movement TWR in EU?

[KimChi20]

Originally Posted by rshhw

As far as I know, they dont offer you APC if this criteria is not met.

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