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Perhaps it's not all doom and gloom for Prestwick....
Perhaps it's not all doom and gloom for Prestwick....
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I read HD's comment as looking down on the guy...not an ex ATCO....what does he know about ATC ?
NATS these days seems to be populated by people who are deemed to be capable of running a BUSINESS.....ATC is a commodity to be "sold" globally to turn a PROFIT. There is NO requirement for them to be ex ATC or Engineering. The mantra is let's be safe......but let's have a return for our shareholders.
The NATS world has changed since HD retired....hell it probably has since I retired......and that was in July !!!!!!
NATS these days seems to be populated by people who are deemed to be capable of running a BUSINESS.....ATC is a commodity to be "sold" globally to turn a PROFIT. There is NO requirement for them to be ex ATC or Engineering. The mantra is let's be safe......but let's have a return for our shareholders.
The NATS world has changed since HD retired....hell it probably has since I retired......and that was in July !!!!!!
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I read HD's comment as looking down on the guy...not an ex ATCO....what does he know about ATC ?
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Based upon my experience, I bet Heathrow Director was an awful lot better on his first day than the non-ATC experienced manager was on his.
&, for that matter, on countless further days !
&, for that matter, on countless further days !
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Agree with kcockayne re manager & HD.
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The "manager" who is supposedly in charge of a 24/7 operation has the stupidity to ask: "What time do you close?"
As a validated controller HD would be expected to be (your words) brilliant on his first day particularly at EGLL & EGTT otherwise he would have been terminated.
Alas, this is not a mandatory option for non operational managers!
Easternwiseguy. Patronising? Bollocks, me ole china.
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The "manager" who is supposedly in charge of a 24/7 operation has the stupidity to ask: "What time do you close?"
As a validated controller HD would be expected to be (your words) brilliant on his first day particularly at EGLL & EGTT otherwise he would have been terminated.
Alas, this is not a mandatory option for non operational managers!
Easternwiseguy. Patronising? Bollocks, me ole china.
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The "manager" who is supposedly in charge of a 24/7 operation has the stupidity to ask: "What time do you close?"
As a validated controller HD would be expected to be (your words) brilliant on his first day particularly at EGLL & EGTT otherwise he would have been terminated.
Alas, this is not a mandatory option for non operational managers!
The "manager" who is supposedly in charge of a 24/7 operation has the stupidity to ask: "What time do you close?"
As a validated controller HD would be expected to be (your words) brilliant on his first day particularly at EGLL & EGTT otherwise he would have been terminated.
Alas, this is not a mandatory option for non operational managers!
Tell me, how many controllers validate on their FIRST DAY? I know you NATS guys like to think you're good, but you're not that good! HD said the manager was "new", let's assume first week in the job. Not first week after six months of college and however much validation training, but first week off the street. Even if I was talking about valid controllers, I'd still disagree. Are you brilliant every day, or on some days are you just "good enough"?
eastern wiseguy, thanks. I'm afraid I don't fall into the "all hail HD" camp unlike many on here.
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new manager visiting LATCC, ex-business type
In all my time there I never knew of, or heard of, a NATS corporate type ever visiting the facility. The Chairman and a few senior odd RAF bods used to wander in now and again but they were not so daft as to ask such a silly question! They knew what the operation entailed.
I did however work alongside HD and can say that he was and is 'Fit for purpose'.
Say no more, or not only will I become patronising but supercilious as well.
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There're some assumptions being made. Just because someone doesn't ask a 'silly question' it doesn't mean they know all the answers!
As I see it, those that ask the silly questions are usually pretty good at spotting the 'emperors new clothes' when they see them and aren't afraid to speak up. I personally prefer management/colleagues/trainees who ask questions, however daft, rather than keep their mouths shut and google it later!
(Excuse me if I've missed the point but these days some of the 'humour' on this forum goes right over my head!)
As I see it, those that ask the silly questions are usually pretty good at spotting the 'emperors new clothes' when they see them and aren't afraid to speak up. I personally prefer management/colleagues/trainees who ask questions, however daft, rather than keep their mouths shut and google it later!
(Excuse me if I've missed the point but these days some of the 'humour' on this forum goes right over my head!)
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fisbangwallop - correct. A colleague of mine says "the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask".
Too late!
Say no more, or not only will I become patronising but supercilious as well.
It is a well known fact that NATS chaps are the Crème de la crème.
It is a well known fact that NATS chaps are the Crème de la crème.