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But you can't do this!! This is so selfish. If you want respect than this is not the way. Just think of all those people who are now stuck, some with children. I am sorry to say this but this realy is too much. You still have a responsibility as controlers and I have always tried to defend you guys and showed interest in your point of view, but on this one I can't...
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Well done guys,
I as a pilot am 100% behind you on this, its a step too far
Still think your well overpaid for what you do, but to have the goverment try this is just not on at all.
Go home put your feet up and relax.
I as a pilot am 100% behind you on this, its a step too far
Still think your well overpaid for what you do, but to have the goverment try this is just not on at all.
Go home put your feet up and relax.
Whilst I agree that the ATCOs should strike for their rights and AENA have taken it too far, this sort of wild action is not serving them and their purpose.
What they effectively do is take thousands of holidaymakers hostage, especially the one on the Islands and putting a lot of financial stress on the airlines.
Shame on them.
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There were no sick leaves at LECG. It was the fulfillment of all of the working hours for the whole year. Are you expected to continue to go working indefenitely when they have compressed all of your working hours in the previous months, robbing you of your holiday leaves?
żAnd now our government decrees that ATCos can continue working upwards of 2000 hours a year because of their own incompetence?
I love aviation, but I do no expect to live in the 20th century as a slave. Period.
żAnd now our government decrees that ATCos can continue working upwards of 2000 hours a year because of their own incompetence?
I love aviation, but I do no expect to live in the 20th century as a slave. Period.
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Animo JToledo, pperez y demas!
I think the goverment is finally gonna find out what happens when you play with fire.
Tools down, arms crossed. Too bad for all the collateral but where does the buck stop?
I just hope a reasonable solution can be found quickly, don't play it by their game book and don't forget that who dares wins.
Animo companyeros!
I think the goverment is finally gonna find out what happens when you play with fire.
Tools down, arms crossed. Too bad for all the collateral but where does the buck stop?
I just hope a reasonable solution can be found quickly, don't play it by their game book and don't forget that who dares wins.
Animo companyeros!
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Guys, keep in mind that Spanish ATCOs are not allowed to strike, as far as I know. It's similar to us in Poland - we cannot strike and our T&C are constantly deteriorating.
What would YOU do if you were pushed around by the management and could not take any form of a legal industrial action?
And please, do not use the 'poor women with infants freezing to death at airports' manipulation technique. If an industrial action would be totally harmless, it would be a nonsense. Nobody gets hurt, it's just a delay. A possibility of delay should be calculated into everybody's journey.
I'm pretty sure that Spanish ATCOs are aware that their Eldorado is over. They knew it was temporary from the very begining. It wasn't their 'achievement', they just took completely fair profit from results of a bad company management. They did not get anything for free, they worked hard for their money. Anybody who worked with ATC should be aware how distasterous fatigue is. It should be avoided and if it's impossible to avoid, a fair sum of overtime money should be paid.
But since last year Spanish ATCOs have been fighting not for their Eldorado to be back, but for their fundamental rights to rest, to plan their time off, to spend it with their families and to avoid fatigue. What would you, dear pilots, do if you were forced to fly 28 days a month and to be available to your employer at a short notice for all of your time off? Everything for a basic salary, of course. And if you had very limited possibilites to change the employer. Huh?
Remember - even if you think their job is bad (which is totally at your discretion), reducing their salaries won't make their service better. And with poor T&C it will just continue to get worse, because the most promising young ATCO-wannabies will choose another profession for life.
What would YOU do if you were pushed around by the management and could not take any form of a legal industrial action?
And please, do not use the 'poor women with infants freezing to death at airports' manipulation technique. If an industrial action would be totally harmless, it would be a nonsense. Nobody gets hurt, it's just a delay. A possibility of delay should be calculated into everybody's journey.
I'm pretty sure that Spanish ATCOs are aware that their Eldorado is over. They knew it was temporary from the very begining. It wasn't their 'achievement', they just took completely fair profit from results of a bad company management. They did not get anything for free, they worked hard for their money. Anybody who worked with ATC should be aware how distasterous fatigue is. It should be avoided and if it's impossible to avoid, a fair sum of overtime money should be paid.
But since last year Spanish ATCOs have been fighting not for their Eldorado to be back, but for their fundamental rights to rest, to plan their time off, to spend it with their families and to avoid fatigue. What would you, dear pilots, do if you were forced to fly 28 days a month and to be available to your employer at a short notice for all of your time off? Everything for a basic salary, of course. And if you had very limited possibilites to change the employer. Huh?
Remember - even if you think their job is bad (which is totally at your discretion), reducing their salaries won't make their service better. And with poor T&C it will just continue to get worse, because the most promising young ATCO-wannabies will choose another profession for life.
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No matter what your problem with Fomento is, to surprise so many people, according to CNN 250.000 people, and throw the airports in chaos, just before a long weekend is realy, I would say criminal.. No respect from me. At least you could have announced a strike. How about if people get hurt or die in this chaos, hart attack, traffic accident, etc, how can you sleep at night. How about all those people who will be away from their families now, people missing weddings, funerals, work. No where to go with your children...
You can't do this to people!!!
You can't do this to people!!!
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you, dear pilots, do if you were forced to fly 28 days a month and to be available to your employer at a short notice for all of your time off?
And yes, people should account with delay. But how can you take this chaos into account? Where can they go?? just to find a hotel now, will be a chalenge. With a normal delay things will be much more simple!
I have defended them for a long time now, looked into there side of the story, but now I don't!
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bobwi, of course, there will always be somebody who's able only to say something "censored".
Complain to Spanish goverment, not to Spanish ATCOs.
P.S. Of course, they should be responsible not only for heart attacks and traffic incidents ;-) but for volcanic ash, hunger in Ethiopia, and the Spanish Inquisition as well.
Complain to Spanish goverment, not to Spanish ATCOs.
P.S. Of course, they should be responsible not only for heart attacks and traffic incidents ;-) but for volcanic ash, hunger in Ethiopia, and the Spanish Inquisition as well.
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Military Controllers might take over from 20:30UTC
Attention everyone:
Military Controllers might take control of al ACC in Spain from 20:00Z.
This raises questions on their suitability to carry out civil ATC.
If you are flying in Spain in the next hours please take extra care.
Military Controllers might take control of al ACC in Spain from 20:00Z.
This raises questions on their suitability to carry out civil ATC.
If you are flying in Spain in the next hours please take extra care.
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Samotnik, Ok, I may blaim the government too. I realise that they gafe you a hard time and that you are just trying to protect your rights. But you are the ones who just walked out, not the government. There is a limit and the controlers have broken it! I lost my respect, until yesterday I was still defending you, but I think this is very low. You obviously don't care about other people. I now couldn't care less if they fire you. Good luck with your new job in MacDonalds!
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It's about time really, I'm with the controllers on this one, If the pilot community had faced such changes with no right to strike then I would like to think we wouldn't accept it either.
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Originally Posted by Whispering Giant
What Spanish Mike forget's to mention is that Spanish Controller's are allready some of the highest paid in Europe - I've heard salaries are in the range of 100,000 to 150,000 Euro's per year !! - more than British ATCO's earn !!
Just wish some of there controller's could speak proper English that's understandable and actually speak into the microphone on the headset rather than talking into a bucket...
Just wish some of there controller's could speak proper English that's understandable and actually speak into the microphone on the headset rather than talking into a bucket...
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These people are the absolute worst professionals i have ever encountered in any country, in any profession in my life time - their astronomical pay levels on top of their horrendous service really makes the mind boggle.
Of course whenever these controllers strike (French included), they never have the balls to come face to face with the people they are disrupting - you don't ever see picket lines of controllers in airport terminals, they are nice and cosy and hidden from reality in their little towers, leaving ground/boarding staff/cabin crew and to a lesser extent us pilots to deal with irate passengers.
Absolute disgrace, fire them all and privatise the whole thing.
Of course whenever these controllers strike (French included), they never have the balls to come face to face with the people they are disrupting - you don't ever see picket lines of controllers in airport terminals, they are nice and cosy and hidden from reality in their little towers, leaving ground/boarding staff/cabin crew and to a lesser extent us pilots to deal with irate passengers.
Absolute disgrace, fire them all and privatise the whole thing.
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Attention everyone:
Military Controllers might take control of al ACC in Spain from 20:00Z.
This raises questions on their suitability to carry out civil ATC.
If you are flying in Spain in the next hours please take extra care.
Military Controllers might take control of al ACC in Spain from 20:00Z.
This raises questions on their suitability to carry out civil ATC.
If you are flying in Spain in the next hours please take extra care.
Those working conditions isn't worth it.. guess you have to drink every time you are off duty??
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I have been on a plane for two hours waiting to leave from SCQ to MAD. The pilot kept us into the plane and informed us that he was contacting the control tower but nobody answered. The whole country is absolutely ashamed and shocked, and is asking for blood. Hundreds of thousands stranded like if the world was over.
I haven´t seen this in my entire life. I do feel quite proud of most of my countryfellows, which despite the caos are behaving in relatively calmed way. No more Iberia operations, at least until tomorrow at 11:00.
I haven´t seen this in my entire life. I do feel quite proud of most of my countryfellows, which despite the caos are behaving in relatively calmed way. No more Iberia operations, at least until tomorrow at 11:00.
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The Spanish Government is guilty
Collapse in the Spanish airspace due to air traffic controllers.
The Spanish Government about to authorize military controllers to take Control Centers.
Iberia has suspended all flights. Confirmed
The Spanish Government about to authorize military controllers to take Control Centers.
Iberia has suspended all flights. Confirmed