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To the ATNS4Life person:-
You present yourself as a kid bogged down in a panoply of naivety. Read the previous posts first and proof read your conversions of thought to print.
Those 'overpaid' ATC's have every right to complain, irrespective of the gambit. I know the mind-set and circumstance very well within which they function, something I would imagine you are ill equipped to comprehend.
You present yourself as a kid bogged down in a panoply of naivety. Read the previous posts first and proof read your conversions of thought to print.
Those 'overpaid' ATC's have every right to complain, irrespective of the gambit. I know the mind-set and circumstance very well within which they function, something I would imagine you are ill equipped to comprehend.
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What exactly does that letter from your CEO mean?
It is just one big motherhood statement. We get them here in Oz all the time.
We are going to be the World leader....
We will implement Worlds Best Practice......
We will use leading technology..............
We will be the best place to work.................
We will motivate, train and reward our staff............
We will deliver the future...............
We will be client centric ...........
By consulting our customers..............
I wish all these 'big vision' people getting paid big bucks would stop talking about how great they think things will be with their vision and focus and get on and do it, or just bugger off.
How about a few dates, and timelines, when they will actually deliver on these promises. Maybe put a bit of pressure on themselves to actually stump up with the goods. If they don't hit the mark it's 'see you later' time.
Sounds like the usual oxygen thieves to me.
It is just one big motherhood statement. We get them here in Oz all the time.
We are going to be the World leader....
We will implement Worlds Best Practice......
We will use leading technology..............
We will be the best place to work.................
We will motivate, train and reward our staff............
We will deliver the future...............
We will be client centric ...........
By consulting our customers..............
I wish all these 'big vision' people getting paid big bucks would stop talking about how great they think things will be with their vision and focus and get on and do it, or just bugger off.
How about a few dates, and timelines, when they will actually deliver on these promises. Maybe put a bit of pressure on themselves to actually stump up with the goods. If they don't hit the mark it's 'see you later' time.
Sounds like the usual oxygen thieves to me.
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Well said Max1,
Its all good to have a vision for the future and say We will.... we will...
We should rather be given time frames,when will things that have been promised and said be delivered!
ie
In XXXX(date) you will have....
We will deliver XXXX in ...
specifics!
Its all good to have a vision for the future and say We will.... we will...
We should rather be given time frames,when will things that have been promised and said be delivered!
ie
In XXXX(date) you will have....
We will deliver XXXX in ...
specifics!
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I think that's more what can be considered "constructive criticism". It's not gona solve all the problems but I think it's a step in the right direction.
I'd hate to use a pilots type analogy, but pilots always b!tch if you don't keep them in the picture. Why should the ATC's be any different. Let us know what's happening, and by when!
We all know head office read these forums... I'd like to ask them to take heed of what's being said. Yes, we might be moaning a lot, but these are the REAL issues. The things that negatively affect us, your employees. Things we've been trying to get across for years...
I think that's more what can be considered "constructive criticism". It's not gona solve all the problems but I think it's a step in the right direction.
I'd hate to use a pilots type analogy, but pilots always b!tch if you don't keep them in the picture. Why should the ATC's be any different. Let us know what's happening, and by when!
We all know head office read these forums... I'd like to ask them to take heed of what's being said. Yes, we might be moaning a lot, but these are the REAL issues. The things that negatively affect us, your employees. Things we've been trying to get across for years...
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Why are the SA ATC's not pressuring their union to persue the essential service issue with greater fervour???
From what I've heard, the union has already consulted with an advocate and wants to persue the issue. If successful in de-classifying as an essential service, and with the world cup happening next year, it should put you guys in a very strong negotiating position, but action needs to be taken now!!!
From what I've heard, the union has already consulted with an advocate and wants to persue the issue. If successful in de-classifying as an essential service, and with the world cup happening next year, it should put you guys in a very strong negotiating position, but action needs to be taken now!!!
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No ATS system is perfect. Especially ATNS. But trust me when I say that there are neighbouring FIR's that are much worse off. Yet there are a handfull of dedicated people in these systems who tirelessly work towards making these systems better. Just like in ATNS.
I've seen both sides of the coin. So to those Eurocat controllers who are interested in a one or two year contract in Africa, there are opperunities elsewhere than just ATNS. If they dont want you, move north. Those guys left behind in Namibia are in urgent need of ATC's. The world-cup will bring many challenges, and a need for qualified eurocat instructors. The new Eurocat system should be up and running shortly before the world-cup, and there's nobody to man it.
I've seen both sides of the coin. So to those Eurocat controllers who are interested in a one or two year contract in Africa, there are opperunities elsewhere than just ATNS. If they dont want you, move north. Those guys left behind in Namibia are in urgent need of ATC's. The world-cup will bring many challenges, and a need for qualified eurocat instructors. The new Eurocat system should be up and running shortly before the world-cup, and there's nobody to man it.
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In other news. ATC's not belonging to the union were supposed to see the benefit of their 8% increase with their present pay slip. They were also supoosed to receive written confirmation of said increase...
Anyone want to guess what happened...?
NOTHING
No increase, no letter, no courtesy sorry but we're busy with...
Nothing!!
Just as was said, let us know what the #ELL is going on!
Anyone want to guess what happened...?
NOTHING
No increase, no letter, no courtesy sorry but we're busy with...
Nothing!!
Just as was said, let us know what the #ELL is going on!
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As I was made to understand it - ATC's belong to the collective bargaining unit - it was people/posts not covered by a collective bargaining unit that were to receive the 8%.
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Those guys left behind in Namibia are in urgent need of ATC's.
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Just to reiterate what was posted earlier, AS LONG AS THE TRAFFIC IS MOVING, NOTHING WILL BE DONE! The EXEC's will still get their seven digit salaries even though they don't make the decisions. The BOARD makes the decisions, oh I forgot they also need to get paid. (70% of your salary budget gone - LOL) So ATNS'ers why don't you all go see your doctors, psychologists or psychiatrists and have them check you all for stress/depression because you all sound 'depressed'. That is my advice. Use it or lose it!
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Worn chair said:
I believe the recruitment of expats has been going on for years now, but nobody (management) wants to employ them. What happended to my and other's application. Maybe Voel can answer that
So to those Eurocat controllers who are interested in a one or two year contract in Africa, there are opperunities elsewhere
. What happended to my and other's application. Maybe Voel can answer that
