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Radarbug...
Two things;
... you are fired (Donald Trumph) if you go against the company.
... you are being sued (any bodily harm or damage to property).
Not that it matters, I'll train anyone if I feel like it.
Two things;
... you are fired (Donald Trumph) if you go against the company.
... you are being sued (any bodily harm or damage to property).
Not that it matters, I'll train anyone if I feel like it.
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Anyone knows what ATNS are doing???? They probably don't know themselves either...
I sent an e-mail to the address given in the ad to ask a couple of questions about how they plan to execute the whole thing of hireing staff for 5 months. Questions that naturally come to mind are for example; how will it work with housing in S.A? Will there be any extra pay for the fact that most would keep their present housing at home? Will the flights be paid for? etc., etc.
I also specifically wrote that I'm not applying, just wanted to ask a few questions about how it's all planned.
I mean there's got to be something tempting they can offer (except the salary) if they're counting on getting a handful of qualified ATCOs to fly in on short notice...
The reply I got was this;
"Thank you for submitting your CV/Resume through to us. We will revert to you closer to the time."
Very well done ATNS! Really helpful....
I sent an e-mail to the address given in the ad to ask a couple of questions about how they plan to execute the whole thing of hireing staff for 5 months. Questions that naturally come to mind are for example; how will it work with housing in S.A? Will there be any extra pay for the fact that most would keep their present housing at home? Will the flights be paid for? etc., etc.
I also specifically wrote that I'm not applying, just wanted to ask a few questions about how it's all planned.
I mean there's got to be something tempting they can offer (except the salary
) if they're counting on getting a handful of qualified ATCOs to fly in on short notice...The reply I got was this;
"Thank you for submitting your CV/Resume through to us. We will revert to you closer to the time."
Very well done ATNS! Really helpful....
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Power to the people!!
One of the biggest reasons for the "lack of leverage" by SA controllers is not enough black controllers at the so-called bigger centres. Mayby the gauteng boys and girls should stop being so racist and validate a couple of brothers and sisters. OOPS!
DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD?
DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD?
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We have tried but seems like some people just don’t get it….. Maybe we should just give it to them, seems like that is the only way some wants it in life. Power to those who stopped blaming and started doing….
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Heard that ATNS has signed 23 foreign ATCOS for 6 month contracts. The bulk of those foreigners coming from Skyguide. This is the story being spread by ATNS.....anybody know more? Because I for one don't believe them.
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Hi all,
As far as I know there is not a single controller from Skyguide that have signed to come to SA,and I'm here in Skyguide.
Here they have informed us that apparently ATNS is searching for people which are cheaper than those from Skyguide(rumors are they are looking somewhere in Eastern Europe,I think maybe Bulgarian people)
If they sign people from Skyguide they would need to pay them as they did for those Danish guys working there and that would be a contract from heaven(but they are not willing to spend as much I guess),I think some of you understand what I mean,am I right 126,7?
As far as I know there is not a single controller from Skyguide that have signed to come to SA,and I'm here in Skyguide.
Here they have informed us that apparently ATNS is searching for people which are cheaper than those from Skyguide(rumors are they are looking somewhere in Eastern Europe,I think maybe Bulgarian people)
If they sign people from Skyguide they would need to pay them as they did for those Danish guys working there and that would be a contract from heaven(but they are not willing to spend as much I guess),I think some of you understand what I mean,am I right 126,7?
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I almost forgot
As well I know that the SA Union aproached Union of Skyguide and they said that they will advise people not to go to SA unless SA Union accepts this.
To be honest,I wouldn't go there and have a feeling "we don't want you here" behind my back as it happenned previosly with the mentioned Danish guys.
As well I understand the SA controllers feeling since there is someone sitting next to you earning 3 times more and having more holidays,car rented by the company,house as well etc.
Cheers all.
To be honest,I wouldn't go there and have a feeling "we don't want you here" behind my back as it happenned previosly with the mentioned Danish guys.
As well I understand the SA controllers feeling since there is someone sitting next to you earning 3 times more and having more holidays,car rented by the company,house as well etc.
Cheers all.
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Watch this spot boys and girls. The STAND has started. The Ojtis in Capetown have already started to not give dual to any new recruits.We have 4 waiting to start in the wings,so now the ball is in HQs court. Lets see if anyone is going to get off of their lard ##ses and try sort this one out.
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[QUOTE][rumors are they are looking somewhere in Eastern Europe,I think maybe Bulgarian people)
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It should be quite interesting contract because Bulgarian ATCOs have good deal with their employer.At least comparing it with Bulgarian standard.
South East Europe-If they could find ATCOs interested nothing below 5000/6000 Eurs per month,net salary + other benefits,accomodation,tickets, some percent to their current employer etc. It will cost SA around 10 000+ eur per atco per month.
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It should be quite interesting contract because Bulgarian ATCOs have good deal with their employer.At least comparing it with Bulgarian standard.
South East Europe-If they could find ATCOs interested nothing below 5000/6000 Eurs per month,net salary + other benefits,accomodation,tickets, some percent to their current employer etc. It will cost SA around 10 000+ eur per atco per month.
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Yeop u r right about The Bulgarians, its not just a rumour.
I dont think that they r able to pay for us ...lets get Russians, there is just 1 problem, they dont speak english
I dont think that they r able to pay for us ...lets get Russians, there is just 1 problem, they dont speak english
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As usual, too little, too late, too desperate, too useless...
It would have been cheaper and safer to keep all the SA ATCOS that left elsewhere and the ones that are packing their stuff, but....
2010 is going to be an intersting year.
It would have been cheaper and safer to keep all the SA ATCOS that left elsewhere and the ones that are packing their stuff, but....
2010 is going to be an intersting year.
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2010 Bonus
Just heard from a friend that ATNS have held a meeting discussing a possible R250 000 "bonus" for selected ATC staff should the SWC run smoothly..
(edit - detail added)
The informer went on to say that this came directly from CEO to FACT staff following their refusal to train new staff..
(edit - detail added)
The informer went on to say that this came directly from CEO to FACT staff following their refusal to train new staff..
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Oh for goodness sake...
SHOW US THE MONEY!!!!
Who is going to be the "selected staff"? No doubt the bunch at the top who will take credit for things run smoothly while the operational staff do all the hard work!!!
Where are they going to get R250 000 for the staff when 8% was too much.
On the other hand, if they do pay it, it'll probably come with yet another hefty retention!!!
Sigh, once again, too little too late! To solve all these problems they should have taken their thumbs out of their A$$es a LONG time ago!!!
Rant over
SHOW US THE MONEY!!!!
Who is going to be the "selected staff"? No doubt the bunch at the top who will take credit for things run smoothly while the operational staff do all the hard work!!!
Where are they going to get R250 000 for the staff when 8% was too much.
On the other hand, if they do pay it, it'll probably come with yet another hefty retention!!!
Sigh, once again, too little too late! To solve all these problems they should have taken their thumbs out of their A$$es a LONG time ago!!!
Rant over
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Okay, I've calmed down a little now...
In all seriousness ATNS... Why do we have to go onto forums to get bits of info that have been "leaked"? What ever happened to "Open, honest communication"?
The biggest problem you face with the staff uprising I believe stems from us being treated like mushrooms. (Kept in the dark and fed $#!+). We know you read these forums, so why not address the problems and stick to your word!
In all seriousness ATNS... Why do we have to go onto forums to get bits of info that have been "leaked"? What ever happened to "Open, honest communication"?
The biggest problem you face with the staff uprising I believe stems from us being treated like mushrooms. (Kept in the dark and fed $#!+). We know you read these forums, so why not address the problems and stick to your word!
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a possible R250 000 "bonus" for selected ATC staff should the SWC run smoothly
POSSIBLE R250 000 - so it could mean R0
SELECTED ATC staff - could be one person (Alternatively they mean they have set aside R250000 as a bonus for the entire atc staff compliment, hmmm that equates to what, less than R1000 each?)
SWC run smoothly - Define run smoothly? One delay and it wasnt run smooth enough hence no bonus?
Sounds like lots of promises yet again.
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Hey Porra,
Was on leave for a while. YAY!
1st I heard of R250k was because of your previous post from collegue who asked me.
No one (I asked at work), that was in the meeting with the CEO knows anything about it.
Was on leave for a while. YAY!
1st I heard of R250k was because of your previous post from collegue who asked me.
No one (I asked at work), that was in the meeting with the CEO knows anything about it.
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Hi Porra!!!!
Vreet te veel sand??? or should I say, we already miss you!!
Come back and help us sort out this problem.
No more training to any new ATC's in Cape Town!
Promisses from the CEO on last weeks meeting of what to expect should have been made available by Thursday, but it did not realize.
Regarding next year with the WC???? Can only say "It's going to be rough"
RE
Vreet te veel sand??? or should I say, we already miss you!!
Come back and help us sort out this problem.
No more training to any new ATC's in Cape Town!
Promisses from the CEO on last weeks meeting of what to expect should have been made available by Thursday, but it did not realize.
Regarding next year with the WC???? Can only say "It's going to be rough"
RE