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Grow a spine!!
Right on the money VB69
This whole problem started maybe 10+ years ago. Since I've been in the company the ATC's has not even once stood together when it comes to the big issues. Sure, everyone complains in the tea room, but when the fight's supposed to start, the team spirit dwindles into oblivion.
So, much of the situation we find ourselves in is only our own fault!!
After the salary arbitration for this year, Solidarity is going to tackle (well, try to anyway) the Essential Service issue. GOOD LUCK BOYS - IT AIN'T GONNA BE 'CANCELLED'. The only thing ATNS has to utter to whoever will decide on this is: "World Cup 2010" and then it's game over...
Well, then we need a Minimum Service Agreement according to the Labour Law, but again ATNS says: "What you are working now IS a minimum service".
So, as long as there is no backbone, we can only do like jellyfish and drift in the ATNS current.
That's my 5c worth (we don't make 2c anymore...)
This whole problem started maybe 10+ years ago. Since I've been in the company the ATC's has not even once stood together when it comes to the big issues. Sure, everyone complains in the tea room, but when the fight's supposed to start, the team spirit dwindles into oblivion.
So, much of the situation we find ourselves in is only our own fault!!
After the salary arbitration for this year, Solidarity is going to tackle (well, try to anyway) the Essential Service issue. GOOD LUCK BOYS - IT AIN'T GONNA BE 'CANCELLED'. The only thing ATNS has to utter to whoever will decide on this is: "World Cup 2010" and then it's game over...
Well, then we need a Minimum Service Agreement according to the Labour Law, but again ATNS says: "What you are working now IS a minimum service".
So, as long as there is no backbone, we can only do like jellyfish and drift in the ATNS current.
That's my 5c worth (we don't make 2c anymore...)
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Yeah well, as long as the Saffers can't stand together, it will be our chance to come and live and work in SA under European labour law and earn European salaries and work under European terms of employment. Aint life grand. Thanks guys! Its a sweet deal.
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No S.A
So, no one from here will be going. Apparently we're to expensive for ATNS. The whole thing "postponed indefinitely due to the decrease in air traffic etc.", says ATNS....
Anyone with some more info? Is someone going?
126,7 - You got a serious offer or are you just playing around..?
Anyone with some more info? Is someone going?
126,7 - You got a serious offer or are you just playing around..?
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Easy to talk about standing together and tea room talk, however reality is its a tough time to find a new job!
Is there a store room full of qualified and current ATC's that we don't know about?
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Right on the Money Maggot
The wolf threatens to huff and puff and blow the house down, and all the little pigs start running
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If the house is built out of solid brick and mortar (unity). Let him blow. He'd just be waisting his breath
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No one can fire you if you refuse to give training. Someone should have negotiated Sector Capacity and Minimum Service Level Agreement 10 years ago. But instead they were off to IFATCA confrences, Drinking Johnny Walker Black, Eating R1000 prawn platters and smokeing R200 cigars
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You dont even have to got hat far. Work to rule. Instead of going the extra mile. Follow ATNS and ICAO rules. Bet you wouldnt be getting six aircrafts airbourn in a 10 min slot if you used 2 min on Departure and I haven't even factored in a slower Aircraft ahead. Bet you wouldn't get in as many Aircraft if only the Landing Runway was used for landings. Bet you'd have way to few staff for 2010 if there are no instructors.
But hey we are ATCs and simple laws of Mathematics don't apply. We bend the rules and therefore, "No ATC Staffing Crises." YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENERMY.
Hope and Pray some, Nelson Mandela, Robin Hood, Ghandi, character comes to the front maybe then change will be effected.
The wolf threatens to huff and puff and blow the house down, and all the little pigs start running
.If the house is built out of solid brick and mortar (unity). Let him blow. He'd just be waisting his breath
.No one can fire you if you refuse to give training. Someone should have negotiated Sector Capacity and Minimum Service Level Agreement 10 years ago. But instead they were off to IFATCA confrences, Drinking Johnny Walker Black, Eating R1000 prawn platters and smokeing R200 cigars
.You dont even have to got hat far. Work to rule. Instead of going the extra mile. Follow ATNS and ICAO rules. Bet you wouldnt be getting six aircrafts airbourn in a 10 min slot if you used 2 min on Departure and I haven't even factored in a slower Aircraft ahead. Bet you wouldn't get in as many Aircraft if only the Landing Runway was used for landings. Bet you'd have way to few staff for 2010 if there are no instructors.
But hey we are ATCs and simple laws of Mathematics don't apply. We bend the rules and therefore, "No ATC Staffing Crises
." YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENERMY.Hope and Pray some, Nelson Mandela, Robin Hood, Ghandi, character comes to the front maybe then change will be effected
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Who gets what?
I just heard and saw 
a very distrubing thing yesterday 
A Technical guy only working 2 years for ATNS at an outstation, with no extra qaulifications(degrees) just ATNS courses earning almost R5000 more than a PATC with 9 years experience (Radar&App&Twr) working at the same out station
An Admin support person joining the company earning the same as an ATSA Co-ord with at least 3 years experience
Certain out stations that required upgrades 2 years ago to assist our clients but they are still waiting for the basic things
Now HQ wants to say that ATC's are dead weight
and that they waist money on their salaries and Ops requirements. Why the heck did they then move into another office block, who the hell is paying for the rent, office furniture and extra staff to work in that building. Rather get rid of the dead weight over at HQ and let the out stations do their own thing as we have been doing that all a long. As if the survey is going to help them , just go and look back in your files and see that we have been saying the same thing all along. Bunch of Idoits 
a very distrubing thing yesterday A Technical guy only working 2 years for ATNS at an outstation, with no extra qaulifications(degrees) just ATNS courses earning almost R5000 more than a PATC with 9 years experience (Radar&App&Twr) working at the same out station
An Admin support person joining the company earning the same as an ATSA Co-ord with at least 3 years experience
Certain out stations that required upgrades 2 years ago to assist our clients but they are still waiting for the basic things
Now HQ wants to say that ATC's are dead weight
and that they waist money on their salaries and Ops requirements. Why the heck did they then move into another office block, who the hell is paying for the rent, office furniture and extra staff to work in that building. Rather get rid of the dead weight over at HQ and let the out stations do their own thing as we have been doing that all a long. As if the survey is going to help them , just go and look back in your files and see that we have been saying the same thing all along. Bunch of Idoits
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I don't even see a radar hall full of ATC's, doesn't seem to cause anyone to shake!!
People have been voting with their feet for years, no change back home though.
Not giving dual and a go-slow/work to rule aren't really the same thing!
Good luck I say again.
People have been voting with their feet for years, no change back home though.
Not giving dual and a go-slow/work to rule aren't really the same thing!
Good luck I say again.
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That's because we don't need a hall full of ATC's if we bend or break a few rules on the shift to get all the aircraft in and out... If the managers are going to turn a blind eye, who's going to notice?
We'll make sure the roster covers ALL the positions - and with that WE make the boss look good... Everything always looks better on paper at the beancounters' offices.
Meanwhile we're sing ourselves because there is going to be a whole lot of paperwork coming our way...
And then there'll be a whole lotta shakin'
But you can accomplish oh so much with it!!
Essential Service - Never going to be cancelled. So according to the Labour Law we SHOULD have a Minimum Service Agreement. Not so according to the pro at Solidarity... We apparently don't qualify or our jobs doesn't fall in this category. Brilliant - no matter how you look at it, we're still scred!!
Sector Capacity - utter these words and suddenly you get the fear of God preached into you for daring to speak your mind.
Maybe the success of a company is measured by how many buildings you occupy, just guessing.
The journey of a thousand miles start with the first step - not a giant leap people!!!
If the managers are going to turn a blind eye, who's going to notice?We'll make sure the roster covers ALL the positions - and with that WE make the boss look good... Everything always looks better on paper at the beancounters' offices.
Meanwhile we're s
ing ourselves because there is going to be a whole lot of paperwork coming our way... And then there'll be a whole lotta shakin'
Not giving dual and a go-slow/work to rule aren't really the same thing!
Someone should have negotiated Sector Capacity and Minimum Service Level Agreement 10 years ago.
We apparently don't qualify or our jobs doesn't fall in this category. Brilliant - no matter how you look at it, we're still scred!!Sector Capacity - utter these words and suddenly you get the fear of God preached into you for daring to speak your mind.
Why the heck did they then move into another office block, who the hell is paying for the rent, office furniture and extra staff to work in that building.
, just guessing.The journey of a thousand miles start with the first step - not a giant leap people!!!
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Whats to say? Solidarity f????? it up again. But not to worry, you will be able to claim overtime when you give up your off days during SWC. All to help the jam stealers up at HQ look good.(it is voluntary though)
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Did Solidarity F or did the chaps at JNB ask to much again like they allways do
Regarding the SWC is easy, get all the ex-ATC's waisting oxygen at HQ to go and do a quick refesher course (seeing that they can always change the laws to suite them) and validate in the Gauteng area and work then for the period the SWC is on. Then when the SWC is finished they can go back and waist more oxygen at HQ, heck even open another office building.
or did the chaps at JNB ask to much again like they allways doRegarding the SWC is easy, get all the ex-ATC's waisting oxygen at HQ to go and do a quick refesher course (seeing that they can always change the laws to suite them) and validate in the Gauteng area and work then for the period the SWC is on. Then when the SWC is finished they can go back and waist more oxygen at HQ, heck even open another office building.
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If only it was 8%....more like 6.5%.
Arbitrator decided that ATNS could distribute the given 8% increase between basic salary and OJTI allowance. So, they decided to increase OJTI by 1.5 and give you 6.5 on basic……
Arbitrator decided that ATNS could distribute the given 8% increase between basic salary and OJTI allowance. So, they decided to increase OJTI by 1.5 and give you 6.5 on basic……
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Not even 6.5%.
There was no increase in the allowances(Unit allowance, USC), that in some cases make about 40% of the atcs income.
Do the maths, I will be surprised if your income was increased above 5%.
Talking about 8% or even 6,5% is helping to spread ATNS's lie.
Inflation here was above 13% for 2008 and 8% expected for 2009... we are loosing money big time
There was no increase in the allowances(Unit allowance, USC), that in some cases make about 40% of the atcs income.
Do the maths, I will be surprised if your income was increased above 5%.
Talking about 8% or even 6,5% is helping to spread ATNS's lie.
Inflation here was above 13% for 2008 and 8% expected for 2009... we are loosing money big time
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BEE
Yes, the more BEE the better, because that is what ATNS is all about lately. What a lot of Appointing new Senoir staff that are BEE, I wonder if they got it on merit or colour we are like the Springbok team, you can play but only if you are the right colour. I hope this issue will bite SA in the a one day.
Appointing new Senoir staff that are BEE, I wonder if they got it on merit or colour we are like the Springbok team, you can play but only if you are the right colour. I hope this issue will bite SA in the a one day.
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"finishing touches...."
Seen in the Radar room in Dubai....
Advert from ATNS .....
looking to borrow 40 controllers (20 radar/20tower) for a 6 month contract,EURO90k/yr, to put the finsihing touches to our 2010 world cup planning...
Needless to say its brought the house down with people laughing.
Advert from ATNS .....
looking to borrow 40 controllers (20 radar/20tower) for a 6 month contract,EURO90k/yr, to put the finsihing touches to our 2010 world cup planning...
Needless to say its brought the house down with people laughing.