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Um... Nor sure I entirely understand the question, but I think yes... Barring the occasional european visitor, most Ppruners on this thread are South African. Either still with ATNS or have moved on to somewhere a little (lot) less frustrating...
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ATNS thanks all candidates for applying, but can only acknowledge those under consideration.
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The above from the ATNS website. Maybe thats why you didn't get a reply after sending your cv. Besides, you can't take that Q7 with anyway.
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I don't think so,ATNS wanted to lease our area controllers 2-3 years ago 
, and yeop u r right, my Q7 is whit left direction
, and yeop u r right, my Q7 is whit left direction
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I don't usually post on forums but I realy am beside myself!
The latest on the wire is that the company are unable to recruit or train ANYONE due to financial contraints
Could this be true... Me thinks too many people may have had their hand in the same pie while ATC's get to live off the crust...
Even if they could afford to train new ATC's, is there anyone at the college who can train them? If they fail will they be sent straight back on the next course and dare I say it, draining even more of the company's funds?
In addition, a little birdie let slip that another well known exec is set to leave. By their own choice but leaving never the less. Abandoning ship?
There's one more observation I'd like to make. The MD writes a monthly memo to all staff. Barring the changing of a few words in the first and last paragraph, it's just (and he states) a copy and paste of the last one. Word for word. ATC's aren't stupid! (mostly), we know what's going on! Tell us what's being done to prevent the nasties.
I heard the other night that 3 more ATC's are leaving Durbs too in the near future. One of them, I'd have bet my bottom dollar would never leave. What has someone done to P!$$ him off
? That means, by my count, (just the guys I know about), there are at least 14 still to leave.
Good times ahead
The latest on the wire is that the company are unable to recruit or train ANYONE due to financial contraints
Could this be true... Me thinks too many people may have had their hand in the same pie while ATC's get to live off the crust...Even if they could afford to train new ATC's, is there anyone at the college who can train them? If they fail will they be sent straight back on the next course and dare I say it, draining even more of the company's funds?
In addition, a little birdie let slip that another well known exec is set to leave. By their own choice but leaving never the less. Abandoning ship?
There's one more observation I'd like to make. The MD writes a monthly memo to all staff. Barring the changing of a few words in the first and last paragraph, it's just (and he states) a copy and paste of the last one. Word for word. ATC's aren't stupid! (mostly), we know what's going on! Tell us what's being done to prevent the nasties.
I heard the other night that 3 more ATC's are leaving Durbs too in the near future. One of them, I'd have bet my bottom dollar would never leave. What has someone done to P!$$ him off
? That means, by my count, (just the guys I know about), there are at least 14 still to leave.Good times ahead
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Hi Beside Myself, welcome to the forum...
One of your points there has some serious implications. I truly hope it's only a rumour. You gonna give everyone a hint as to who the exec is that's leaving. Are they resigning or retiring?
One of your points there has some serious implications. I truly hope it's only a rumour. You gonna give everyone a hint as to who the exec is that's leaving. Are they resigning or retiring?
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Things Not So Bad!!!
For all you Doom and Gloomers * READ BELOW * ATNS has a grip on her issues and have a concrete plan!
Air Traffic and Navigation Services Company Limited
Private Bag x15 Kempton Park 1620 Tel +27 11 961 0100 Fax +27 11 392 3968
ATNS
Company Registration No. 1993/004150/006
Directors: MD Mamashela (Chairman) PK Dlamini (Chief Executive Officer)
AJ Bradshaw JB Crawford M Hlahla JM Maisela HT Makhathini Dr JS Mzaliya Dr K Parker
Company Secretary: S Mngomezulu
ATNS/HO/M00/06 – 04 P a g e 1 of 2 16th April 2009
MEMORANDUM FROM : Patrick Dlamini TO : All Staff Date : 16th April 2009
Dear ATNS’ers CEO CIRCULAR 07/2009 Our strategy deliberations have been ongoing and we have been refining and working on the strategy across all levels of the organization. Last week – just before the Easter break – we had two very lively and interactive sessions with the next level of management and further action plans were deliberated and adopted. The real work will be in ensuring that we all remain focused and that we all share the same vision for ATNS. I am certain that ultimately we all want the same thing – a successful organization that we can all be proud to be associated with. I once again wish to share the ATNS Business Concept with you – remember this is what will be driving our business going forward:
Our strategy will be to focus on the air traffic and navigation service needs of the ATM Community, primarily in South Africa, as well as the rest of the Africa and Indian Ocean Region (AFI) and ultimately in selected global markets
We will develop a thorough understanding of the global ATM community with emphasis on product and service offerings, technology developments and customers in order to effectively respond to the needs of our selected markets with innovative and relevant air traffic and navigation service solutions
We will source, develop, market, distribute and support a complete range of air traffic and navigation service solutions that meet the expectations of access, equity, safety, efficiency and affordability, thereby supporting our customers and the ATM community at large
It is an imperative that we stabilise and enhance our air traffic and navigation service provision in South Africa in order to create a platform from which we can leverage strategic partnerships, our global influence as well as harmonised technologies and methods to become the leading ANS provider in the AFI region, to secure our future growth, revenue, profit and relevance as a provider of choice
Over the long term, we intend to expand further into selected markets around the globe, whilst at the same time expanding our range of services in air navigation that are appropriate for market needs
Our business model will be supported through attracting, developing, retaining and appropriately rewarding a diverse and motivated team that has the right skills, experience, commitment and drive to implement this strategy, creating win-win situations
The effective implementation of this strategy will ensure a well equipped resource base, enhance financial sustainability and support the global air navigation and safety plans
ATNS/HO/M00/06 – 04 P a g e 2 of 2 16th April 2009
Our areas of excellence are:
1. Business Intelligence
We must excel at ensuring that we have strategic far-sightedness, detailed insight and understanding of global market dynamics, and readily available information on technological and business trends, suppliers, products, customers and competitors
2. Market Excellence
We must excel at using relevant technology and expertise to maintain and develop our Air Traffic and Navigation Solutions to ensure that they are innovative, of high quality, reliable and affordable, whilst at the same time ensuring that our operations across the entire business are reliable, consistent, efficient and cost effective in order to meet customer needs as the provider of choice
3. Relationship Management
We must excel at building lasting relationships with suppliers, customers and strategic partners and our people that are built on trust, are flexible, relevant, supportive, robust and are conducive to creating win-win situations
The strategy implementation process has begun in earnest and I am sure that many of you have already been involved in parts of the implementation within your respective teams. Where you have not yet been involved I urge you to make your contribution and to engage with management. There are 8 critical areas of the business that need our immediate intervention:
Manage the training pipeline for ATC and technical staff
Review and implement the HR plan to attract, retain, develop and reward people across all disciplines
Develop and implement a succession plan across the organisation
Develop and implement an integrated leadership model across the business (culture, accountability, communication and performance management)
Review and implement the financial model to ensure long term commercial sustainability (revenue streams and cost management)
Develop a marketing plan to address BI leverage, relationship management and key accounts
Review, optimise and integrate MIS systems
Review structure and business processes to implement the strategy
Further I intend visiting you all shortly together with the EXCO on the implementation of the strategy. I wish to apologize that the new structure has not yet been made available but there are still some considerations I wish to take into account – be assured however that this delay will not impact on the strategy implementation process.
Regards, PATRICK DLAMINI CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER ATNS
Air Traffic and Navigation Services Company Limited
Private Bag x15 Kempton Park 1620 Tel +27 11 961 0100 Fax +27 11 392 3968
ATNS
Company Registration No. 1993/004150/006
Directors: MD Mamashela (Chairman) PK Dlamini (Chief Executive Officer)
AJ Bradshaw JB Crawford M Hlahla JM Maisela HT Makhathini Dr JS Mzaliya Dr K Parker
Company Secretary: S Mngomezulu
ATNS/HO/M00/06 – 04 P a g e 1 of 2 16th April 2009
MEMORANDUM FROM : Patrick Dlamini TO : All Staff Date : 16th April 2009
Dear ATNS’ers CEO CIRCULAR 07/2009 Our strategy deliberations have been ongoing and we have been refining and working on the strategy across all levels of the organization. Last week – just before the Easter break – we had two very lively and interactive sessions with the next level of management and further action plans were deliberated and adopted. The real work will be in ensuring that we all remain focused and that we all share the same vision for ATNS. I am certain that ultimately we all want the same thing – a successful organization that we can all be proud to be associated with. I once again wish to share the ATNS Business Concept with you – remember this is what will be driving our business going forward:
Our strategy will be to focus on the air traffic and navigation service needs of the ATM Community, primarily in South Africa, as well as the rest of the Africa and Indian Ocean Region (AFI) and ultimately in selected global markets
We will develop a thorough understanding of the global ATM community with emphasis on product and service offerings, technology developments and customers in order to effectively respond to the needs of our selected markets with innovative and relevant air traffic and navigation service solutions
We will source, develop, market, distribute and support a complete range of air traffic and navigation service solutions that meet the expectations of access, equity, safety, efficiency and affordability, thereby supporting our customers and the ATM community at large
It is an imperative that we stabilise and enhance our air traffic and navigation service provision in South Africa in order to create a platform from which we can leverage strategic partnerships, our global influence as well as harmonised technologies and methods to become the leading ANS provider in the AFI region, to secure our future growth, revenue, profit and relevance as a provider of choice
Over the long term, we intend to expand further into selected markets around the globe, whilst at the same time expanding our range of services in air navigation that are appropriate for market needs
Our business model will be supported through attracting, developing, retaining and appropriately rewarding a diverse and motivated team that has the right skills, experience, commitment and drive to implement this strategy, creating win-win situations
The effective implementation of this strategy will ensure a well equipped resource base, enhance financial sustainability and support the global air navigation and safety plans
ATNS/HO/M00/06 – 04 P a g e 2 of 2 16th April 2009
Our areas of excellence are:
1. Business Intelligence
We must excel at ensuring that we have strategic far-sightedness, detailed insight and understanding of global market dynamics, and readily available information on technological and business trends, suppliers, products, customers and competitors
2. Market Excellence
We must excel at using relevant technology and expertise to maintain and develop our Air Traffic and Navigation Solutions to ensure that they are innovative, of high quality, reliable and affordable, whilst at the same time ensuring that our operations across the entire business are reliable, consistent, efficient and cost effective in order to meet customer needs as the provider of choice
3. Relationship Management
We must excel at building lasting relationships with suppliers, customers and strategic partners and our people that are built on trust, are flexible, relevant, supportive, robust and are conducive to creating win-win situations
The strategy implementation process has begun in earnest and I am sure that many of you have already been involved in parts of the implementation within your respective teams. Where you have not yet been involved I urge you to make your contribution and to engage with management. There are 8 critical areas of the business that need our immediate intervention:
Manage the training pipeline for ATC and technical staff
Review and implement the HR plan to attract, retain, develop and reward people across all disciplines
Develop and implement a succession plan across the organisation
Develop and implement an integrated leadership model across the business (culture, accountability, communication and performance management)
Review and implement the financial model to ensure long term commercial sustainability (revenue streams and cost management)
Develop a marketing plan to address BI leverage, relationship management and key accounts
Review, optimise and integrate MIS systems
Review structure and business processes to implement the strategy
Further I intend visiting you all shortly together with the EXCO on the implementation of the strategy. I wish to apologize that the new structure has not yet been made available but there are still some considerations I wish to take into account – be assured however that this delay will not impact on the strategy implementation process.
Regards, PATRICK DLAMINI CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER ATNS
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That memo from the CEO is a cut and paste copy of the previous month. They focus ,sort of, on everything else and fotget about their biggest asset.
Talk is cheap and money buys the whiskey.
Talk is cheap and money buys the whiskey.
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ATNS 4 life, are you kidding? I've been sitting here re-reading your post wondering if you're being serious or sarcastic. Either you're blessed with a very-easy-to-remember birthday or you've lied to protect your identity.
I had a whole barage of comments about you being 19 and making comments on complex politics in a company you could have worked for-for no longer than 18 months, but as I'm sure it's a red herring, I'll hold my tongue...
Let's assume you're serious...
Thanks for posting the same thing AGAIN for me to read a 3rd time! I'm afraid it still doesn't change anything. Please allow me to highlight a similar master plan for climbing Mount Everest
1. Start at the bottom
2. Climb to the top
3. Return to the bottom
4. Avoid death from steps 1 though 3!
Although I have a hard and fast plan on paper, it's gonna help me $od-all climbing a mountain. HOW are they doing what they propose to do. I'm not going to pick at every piece of the letter but would just like to point out one thing,
"Our business model will be supported through attracting, developing, retaining and appropriately rewarding a diverse and motivated team that has the right skills, experience, commitment and drive to implement this strategy, creating win-win situations"
Although I applaud the thought, when does it start? This topic was started by ATNS's ineffective drive to attract staff; of late the development of said staff seems retarded, recent history shows the company's inability to retain staff (in fact, barring their meagre retention scheme, they've done VERY little to prevent the exodus) and they're appropriately rewarding their staff (with the right skills, experience, commitment and drive) with an 8% increase and no annual bonus.
Great job guys, that'll do it
If you're being serious, then I'll be the first to say I admire your dedication to the company, goodness knows we all started out like that. I hope you remain blind to the "nasties" for as long as possible to prevent you falling into the realm of sceptics and pessimists.
If this post is purely meant to start a mudslinging battle, you got me
In any case let's see what happens. Alea jacta est!
I had a whole barage of comments about you being 19 and making comments on complex politics in a company you could have worked for-for no longer than 18 months, but as I'm sure it's a red herring, I'll hold my tongue...
Let's assume you're serious...
Thanks for posting the same thing AGAIN for me to read a 3rd time! I'm afraid it still doesn't change anything. Please allow me to highlight a similar master plan for climbing Mount Everest
1. Start at the bottom
2. Climb to the top
3. Return to the bottom
4. Avoid death from steps 1 though 3!
Although I have a hard and fast plan on paper, it's gonna help me $od-all climbing a mountain. HOW are they doing what they propose to do. I'm not going to pick at every piece of the letter but would just like to point out one thing,
"Our business model will be supported through attracting, developing, retaining and appropriately rewarding a diverse and motivated team that has the right skills, experience, commitment and drive to implement this strategy, creating win-win situations"
Although I applaud the thought, when does it start? This topic was started by ATNS's ineffective drive to attract staff; of late the development of said staff seems retarded, recent history shows the company's inability to retain staff (in fact, barring their meagre retention scheme, they've done VERY little to prevent the exodus) and they're appropriately rewarding their staff (with the right skills, experience, commitment and drive) with an 8% increase and no annual bonus.
Great job guys, that'll do it
If you're being serious, then I'll be the first to say I admire your dedication to the company, goodness knows we all started out like that. I hope you remain blind to the "nasties" for as long as possible to prevent you falling into the realm of sceptics and pessimists.
If this post is purely meant to start a mudslinging battle, you got me
In any case let's see what happens. Alea jacta est!
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ATNS, instead of worrying about people leaving, they more concerned (maandag chomma), about dress code, no t shirts , no beachwear, dog collars,those pathetic permits that let you do jackall at an airport that is basicly run by us ATCS, the guard house with the so called "navy seals" that really P*&&$# all of us off with their so called searches, let me not 4get bout the cellphone, PDA/Ipod issues...........welcome to ATNS Primary.
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I'm not able to understand what really is the problem .....seems ATNS does't need ppl ,u don't like your working conditions but u r not leaving so what is the problem indeed.....if u don't like your job just leave lets get Russians, they r able to work for a bottle of vodka
lets get Russians, they r able to work for a bottle of vodka
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Jeez! Don't get me started on the dress code issue. From what I understand it's to look "professional" for visiting people. The building is so &L00dy secure WE can barely get into it.
It's amazing, that if you go through this entire thread, you'll find an insane amount of little things that P!$$ us off. It all adds up in the end. That's why people are upset!
It's amazing, that if you go through this entire thread, you'll find an insane amount of little things that P!$$ us off. It all adds up in the end. That's why people are upset!
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listen - where i work the oldies complain like children about not earning enough. i agree with gold fishermans comments on comparing our (ur) salaries with the rest of the work forse. i'll have u know that my dad has 2 degrees and doesnt even earn what these complaining atc's earn - and from what i've heard half scraped through high school!
its sad days when people with possible the most secure jobs in the country right now who earn close to 40k complain more than 19year olds!
true, compare to dubai the salaries are pretty average, but LEAVE! don't sit here and moan and bring down the overall moral of those around you!
A T N S 4 L i f e
its sad days when people with possible the most secure jobs in the country right now who earn close to 40k complain more than 19year olds!
true, compare to dubai the salaries are pretty average, but LEAVE! don't sit here and moan and bring down the overall moral of those around you!
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Now there is the ATNS spirit I love so much. Its funny how these men and woman who you say have battled their way through High school, are so sought after around the world. People are leaving, or did you not notice?? That is what this whole thread has been about. Its people like you that are the problem within the Company, and it is because of people like you that your High school battlers will continue to leave. Glad to see you are trying to be part of the solution
Its funny how these men and woman who you say have battled their way through High school, are so sought after around the world. People are leaving, or did you not notice?? That is what this whole thread has been about. Its people like you that are the problem within the Company, and it is because of people like you that your High school battlers will continue to leave. Glad to see you are trying to be part of the solution
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ATNS 4 Life, I'm going to be quite blunt. Your posts reek of naivety! From beginning to end.
Furthermore, may I suggest that you read through this thread thoroughly before posting further. It was clear at first that you didn't read my post since you simply did exactly what it was I complained about. It is further evident, from your last post, that there are a number of posts you haven't read.
Complainng about salaries is only a small part of what we're talking about. Some very knowledgable people have brought up some exceedingly good points without mention of money. This leads me to my next:
When I read your rebuttle my first thought was that you may be from head office. Since clearly you've not yet had your leave cancelled, been asked to work extended hours, been called out on your off day or made to work every weekend for the last 5 months! However, after a re-read I can't help but notice the tell-tale signs of a youngster at the helm of your keyboard. What with the sms shorthand and the absence of capital letters? On top of that, it's clear you don't know how much ATC's earn. The final nail in the coffin was the "my dad's bigger than your dad" bit.
I tell you what... Spend the next couple of years working hard and become an ATC here. I truly hope you maintain your cheerful demeanor. I just hope that you aren't too disappointed when you're let down.
Furthermore, may I suggest that you read through this thread thoroughly before posting further. It was clear at first that you didn't read my post since you simply did exactly what it was I complained about. It is further evident, from your last post, that there are a number of posts you haven't read.
Complainng about salaries is only a small part of what we're talking about. Some very knowledgable people have brought up some exceedingly good points without mention of money. This leads me to my next:
When I read your rebuttle my first thought was that you may be from head office. Since clearly you've not yet had your leave cancelled, been asked to work extended hours, been called out on your off day or made to work every weekend for the last 5 months! However, after a re-read I can't help but notice the tell-tale signs of a youngster at the helm of your keyboard. What with the sms shorthand and the absence of capital letters? On top of that, it's clear you don't know how much ATC's earn. The final nail in the coffin was the "my dad's bigger than your dad" bit.
I tell you what... Spend the next couple of years working hard and become an ATC here. I truly hope you maintain your cheerful demeanor. I just hope that you aren't too disappointed when you're let down.
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I have to agree...
If you don't like it... LEAVE. That's always been the head office motto. The only thing you forgot, ATNS 4 LIFE is, "We can replace you"!
That's the exact thing that got ATNS into trouble in the first place.
Instead of listening to the problems and offering a solution, just do nothing as the people who draw attention to the problems leave!
If you don't like it... LEAVE. That's always been the head office motto. The only thing you forgot, ATNS 4 LIFE is, "We can replace you"!
That's the exact thing that got ATNS into trouble in the first place.
Instead of listening to the problems and offering a solution, just do nothing as the people who draw attention to the problems leave!
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ATNS 4 Life
I just want to say the following;
1st - Catch awake up mate
You are still in your nappies, grow up first and then you can speak with the adults.
2nd - In your interview, what did they offer you a BMW or an Audi after your 1 st year with ATNS. Guess what that is a lot of
promises
3rd - You have posted the CEO's memo on the web, that is an Internal document for ATNS people only and you are not allowed to post it on a media network unless you have permission or you are looking for trouble because that is an immediate dismissal. So are you going to fess up or just shut up
As all the others said it is not just the money, its about working conditions and working hours
You Sir are an
1st - Catch awake up mate
You are still in your nappies, grow up first and then you can speak with the adults. 2nd - In your interview, what did they offer you a BMW or an Audi after your 1 st year with ATNS. Guess what that is a lot of
promises 3rd - You have posted the CEO's memo on the web, that is an Internal document for ATNS people only and you are not allowed to post it on a media network unless you have permission or you are looking for trouble because that is an immediate dismissal. So are you going to fess up or just shut up
As all the others said it is not just the money, its about working conditions and working hours
You Sir are an