UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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I am using the term alleged as I do not want to name the reliable source.
Also the reliable source is pretty confident that if they were not at the meeting the rest would have put it out to ballot and we can predict the result.
I am not trying to divide and conquer but to get people's backs up to contact the BEC to reaffirm the strong feeling, if there is one, that we are one NATS and one pay deal for all. Do not even sit down with management if Met is still on the table. We want a pay deal, pure and simple, and can negotiate recompence for any additional duties at a later date once we have agreed the pay deal.
And don't feel embarrased about what the public may think as the bankers don't seem to care, and neither did Baron or Hoskins as they rode off into the sunset with millions.
Also the reliable source is pretty confident that if they were not at the meeting the rest would have put it out to ballot and we can predict the result.
I am not trying to divide and conquer but to get people's backs up to contact the BEC to reaffirm the strong feeling, if there is one, that we are one NATS and one pay deal for all. Do not even sit down with management if Met is still on the table. We want a pay deal, pure and simple, and can negotiate recompence for any additional duties at a later date once we have agreed the pay deal.
And don't feel embarrased about what the public may think as the bankers don't seem to care, and neither did Baron or Hoskins as they rode off into the sunset with millions.
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Whilst we have again knocked the offer back the majority of the union delegation, mainly band 4/5 atcos, allegedly found the offer on the table quite appealing even with the tasks attached.
As an aside, we had a Met equipment failure last night and it was a PITA even without any traffic. Christ only knows what we'd have done if that happened during the day.
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Maybe I was asleep at conference, but that's not what I remember seeing and hearing. The Area reps, almost to a man/woman, found it hard to believe that part of the pay offer and indicated that they would not be swayed by it at the expense of their colleagues in NSL, for which we are grateful.
My point was at conference we voted/passed motions not to discuss extra tasks being attached to a pay deal and should not even sit down if that is still on the table.
This needs reiterating to the pay negotiation team and that is what my post was intended to do.
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Motion 81 also stated that we should not be entering any negotiations about Met until the relevant units have been adequately consulted.
Anyone from an airport wish to comment if they have been consulted on this?
We haven't at ours.
Anyone from an airport wish to comment if they have been consulted on this?
We haven't at ours.
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As someone who has long held the opinion that the union is a toothless, waste of space, I have to admit to seeing a glimmer of hope here. I'm encouraged by the apparent unity between NSL and NERL which my local rep, whom I believe, assures me is there.
Considering that our freeze last year amounted to approx 5% pay cut and the previous year's deal amounted to approx 2% cut, with current CPI or RPI whichever you prefer to be around 4-5%, anythingthing less is not good enough. As for conditions attached, they can stuff them where 'the monkey hides his nuts.'
My request to the union is DO NOT budge on the ORDER of negotiating things. Pay FIRST, then talk about AAVA's, then.....
For too long I've watched companies take the p*ss with their price hikes combined with record profits and big payout to their execs. While the working man gets squeezed.
to the union for now.
Considering that our freeze last year amounted to approx 5% pay cut and the previous year's deal amounted to approx 2% cut, with current CPI or RPI whichever you prefer to be around 4-5%, anythingthing less is not good enough. As for conditions attached, they can stuff them where 'the monkey hides his nuts.'
My request to the union is DO NOT budge on the ORDER of negotiating things. Pay FIRST, then talk about AAVA's, then.....
For too long I've watched companies take the p*ss with their price hikes combined with record profits and big payout to their execs. While the working man gets squeezed.
to the union for now.
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Hootin - I did read your post, I was just surprised at what you wrote considering what I saw at Conference, but you live and learn. Problem is, when you are out in the sticks, you're not always party to what goes on down on the Gold Coast.
And no, we haven't been consulted yet either.
And no, we haven't been consulted yet either.
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Too right they should not be speaking to management. Be nice if they were speaking to the members though. Confirm or deny and all that. Remember pensions anyone?
Too right they should not be speaking to management. Be nice if they were speaking to the members though. Confirm or deny and all that. Remember pensions anyone?
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Too right they should not be discussing met at all. Where is the mandate to do that? It's against policy. Be nice if they'd tell us though. Confirm or deny and all that...
Too right they should not be discussing met at all. Where is the mandate to do that? It's against policy. Be nice if they'd tell us though. Confirm or deny and all that...
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we had a notice...meeting for 22nd Feb...but apparently was 23rd Feb. It said no improvement then would be in dispute....however heard nothing come out from our reps....interesting times ahead.....although watch them plead poverty about spiralling fuel costs and uncertainty in the middle east......they are bound to play many of these cards. This doesn't take away inflation at 5% and been there for 8 months and likely to rise...all we ask for is cost of living.
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I believe management have scheduled some further meeting dates through till late April... So don't expect any resolution soon!
I think there's a growing belief that these are intentional delaying tactics - remember they originally wanted the implementation date deferred from Jan to Apr.
I think there's a growing belief that these are intentional delaying tactics - remember they originally wanted the implementation date deferred from Jan to Apr.
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I believe management have scheduled some further meeting dates through till late April... So don't expect any resolution soon!
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Best of luck with this guys.
We are currently faced with an actual 5.2% reduction in salary at the moment (Eurocontrol) and we may (if lucky) negotiate a pay freeze, which will still be a reduction in real terms.
If that wasnt bad enough we face paying it backdated for 12 months, so about €4.5k back to the employer plus the 5.2% off the salary.
Absolute joke.
We are currently faced with an actual 5.2% reduction in salary at the moment (Eurocontrol) and we may (if lucky) negotiate a pay freeze, which will still be a reduction in real terms.
If that wasnt bad enough we face paying it backdated for 12 months, so about €4.5k back to the employer plus the 5.2% off the salary.
Absolute joke.
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Because of a system that was agreed to 20 odd years ago.
Our salary is multiplied by a cost of living factor. They say that this year the cost of living in the Netherlands has reduced by 5.2% (politically massaged BS) and so we face the cut, plus these figures are always backdated 12 months, so we have to give 12x5.2% of our salary back too, in a 'lump sum'.
Our salary is multiplied by a cost of living factor. They say that this year the cost of living in the Netherlands has reduced by 5.2% (politically massaged BS) and so we face the cut, plus these figures are always backdated 12 months, so we have to give 12x5.2% of our salary back too, in a 'lump sum'.
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I have just been watching the national news and it seems that the Arriva Trains Wales drivers are on strike today. One of the major issues was that they have only been offered a 12% pay rise over 2 years. It makes nats 2% seem miserly by comparison.
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Because of a system that was agreed to 20 odd years ago.
Our salary is multiplied by a cost of living factor. They say that this year the cost of living in the Netherlands has reduced by 5.2% (politically massaged BS) and so we face the cut, plus these figures are always backdated 12 months, so we have to give 12x5.2% of our salary back too, in a 'lump sum'.
Our salary is multiplied by a cost of living factor. They say that this year the cost of living in the Netherlands has reduced by 5.2% (politically massaged BS) and so we face the cut, plus these figures are always backdated 12 months, so we have to give 12x5.2% of our salary back too, in a 'lump sum'.
Our expectations and yours have to be very different though. You are dealing with a cost of living change (in theory) of -5.2%. Ours is +5%
If you managed to get a pay freeze that'd be, on paper a real terms increase of 5.2%. The chances of us getting a 5% increase look pretty slim!
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Cost of living hasnt dropped in reality here - like I say its a 'massaged' figure to satisfy certain political targets. Just like everywhere else in Europe the price of everything is going up, up, up.
The figures we have to abide by this year are a drop from 109.x % to 104.x% I believe.
So its only risen very very slowly over the years. This is only the 2nd time its fallen and this time its by an unprecented amount.
Figures talked about suggest an overall loss of around 10% in purchasing 'power' using this system over the years with our salary. Its been a very poor deal in comparison to what we could have negotiated year on year, but admittedly (until now) gave some security.
Thats as I understand it anyways.
The figures we have to abide by this year are a drop from 109.x % to 104.x% I believe.
So its only risen very very slowly over the years. This is only the 2nd time its fallen and this time its by an unprecented amount.
Figures talked about suggest an overall loss of around 10% in purchasing 'power' using this system over the years with our salary. Its been a very poor deal in comparison to what we could have negotiated year on year, but admittedly (until now) gave some security.
Thats as I understand it anyways.
