UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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I'm getting mixed messages here.
Are you guys in NSL suggesting an RPI pay rise should be the aim at the expense of a contract? Because I certainly didn't suggest that.
I was the one challenging the fact that RPI should happen no matter what.
Don't tar us all with the same brush.
Are you guys in NSL suggesting an RPI pay rise should be the aim at the expense of a contract? Because I certainly didn't suggest that.
I was the one challenging the fact that RPI should happen no matter what.
especially when Swanwick staff can turn up for avaa when the airspace is closed (ash)
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NATS………….that is the company that we work for.
Forget this nonsense about NSL and NERL being separate. They are not.
The company is NATS.
This is the same company that has just had one of its best years and has made substantial profits.
In fact it has been so good that the CEO has sent staff an email stating how good things are and has acknowledged this “incredible achievement” that “everyone” has played a role in.
Everyone in NATS that is, he did not differentiate between NSL and NERL. He did not have to as we are all one company…….. NATS.
NATS is the company that will be sold next year. Not NSL or NERL………..NATS.
Can I suggest that the NTUS, in the current pay negotiations, remember that we are all NATS, which I believe to be the criteria that Baron and Hoskins used when awarding themselves nearly £2 million and £1.2 million respectively year ending 2010.
Forget this nonsense about NSL and NERL being separate. They are not.
The company is NATS.
This is the same company that has just had one of its best years and has made substantial profits.
In fact it has been so good that the CEO has sent staff an email stating how good things are and has acknowledged this “incredible achievement” that “everyone” has played a role in.
Everyone in NATS that is, he did not differentiate between NSL and NERL. He did not have to as we are all one company…….. NATS.
NATS is the company that will be sold next year. Not NSL or NERL………..NATS.
Can I suggest that the NTUS, in the current pay negotiations, remember that we are all NATS, which I believe to be the criteria that Baron and Hoskins used when awarding themselves nearly £2 million and £1.2 million respectively year ending 2010.
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just wanted to mention with regards to pay......i believe in NATS......(one company) if NATS does well and dividends are thrown about then all the workforce should have a pay rise.
Why mention NERL and NSL? why mention NERL is funding the £20m dividend?
I think management are playing this very well coz what will happen next year is NATS will get sold, and the airlines are looking to get out of the shares as well. I am worried for who might come in and buy the company coz the first thing they will look at is where could they save money and NSL may not be a viable option to keep unless as mentioned, contracts are raised to keep the airports.
It will be tough times for NATS (not NERL or NSL), and im sure management will do their best at justifying more bonuses. They are the ones that should get a basic wage for the job they do. where has this bonus culture come from? my wage isn't based on a basic wage and for every aircraft i control a day over 100 i get a bonus......they should get a wage to do their job.....none of this bonus stuff. (it seems regardless of whether they do well or not they get a bonus anyway).
Why mention NERL and NSL? why mention NERL is funding the £20m dividend?
I think management are playing this very well coz what will happen next year is NATS will get sold, and the airlines are looking to get out of the shares as well. I am worried for who might come in and buy the company coz the first thing they will look at is where could they save money and NSL may not be a viable option to keep unless as mentioned, contracts are raised to keep the airports.
It will be tough times for NATS (not NERL or NSL), and im sure management will do their best at justifying more bonuses. They are the ones that should get a basic wage for the job they do. where has this bonus culture come from? my wage isn't based on a basic wage and for every aircraft i control a day over 100 i get a bonus......they should get a wage to do their job.....none of this bonus stuff. (it seems regardless of whether they do well or not they get a bonus anyway).
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The last 2 posts are very good.
NATS. 'A world Leader In Air Traffic management"
NOT 2 world Leaders,- just the one. One company, (or whatever it is), but 2 loads of Managers. A bit like Cheshire County Council.
Why have one management monolith when you can have 2, AND AT TWICE THE COST!
Good to see that the latest Prospect rag is in fighting form though.
The reality is that financially, the country is f***ed.
Bankers, and politicians have done damage that will take years to repair.
Closer to home,
Non-aviation people (with their management bull****speak) have driven a spike into what was once a great organization to work for. As played out on these fora,over recent years, they have succeeded with aplomb.
Even more frightening is the fact that what has happened is not just confined to NATS.
Forget Dr cable and The Daily Telegraph, We need to sit down, work out where we are going, why, and how we are going to get there.
Oh, by the way. Your man James screwed your pension up 2 years ago. Oddly enough, he's now one of the trustees of the Pension fund.
How did that happen?
NATS. 'A world Leader In Air Traffic management"
NOT 2 world Leaders,- just the one. One company, (or whatever it is), but 2 loads of Managers. A bit like Cheshire County Council.
Why have one management monolith when you can have 2, AND AT TWICE THE COST!
Good to see that the latest Prospect rag is in fighting form though.
The reality is that financially, the country is f***ed.
Bankers, and politicians have done damage that will take years to repair.
Closer to home,
Non-aviation people (with their management bull****speak) have driven a spike into what was once a great organization to work for. As played out on these fora,over recent years, they have succeeded with aplomb.
Even more frightening is the fact that what has happened is not just confined to NATS.
Forget Dr cable and The Daily Telegraph, We need to sit down, work out where we are going, why, and how we are going to get there.
Oh, by the way. Your man James screwed your pension up 2 years ago. Oddly enough, he's now one of the trustees of the Pension fund.
How did that happen?
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Firstly, I hope whoever negotiated the new canteen prices is involved in the pay negotiations. 40% rise anyone?
Secondly one trusts that, when the company is willing to pay fortunes to have it's senior managers at various units attend a "course" this last week which consisted almost solely of manic hand clapping, running on the spot and prancing around the room (oh for a video clip...), it would be willing to reward it's employees lower down the prancing/clapping/jogging chain with a rise commensurate with their actual work-related hard work and effort
Or perhaps the lunatics really have taken over the asylum at long last. Cup of tea for 40% more than it was yesterday anyone?
Secondly one trusts that, when the company is willing to pay fortunes to have it's senior managers at various units attend a "course" this last week which consisted almost solely of manic hand clapping, running on the spot and prancing around the room (oh for a video clip...), it would be willing to reward it's employees lower down the prancing/clapping/jogging chain with a rise commensurate with their actual work-related hard work and effort
Or perhaps the lunatics really have taken over the asylum at long last. Cup of tea for 40% more than it was yesterday anyone?
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NATS/NTUS have responded to comments raised on new catering prices as follows :
We can confirm that the catering subsidy hasn’t been cut (it has actually increased). As announced at the start of the new catering arrangements, the catering service (including the subsidy) is jointly managed by a NATS/NTUS team and we are required to keep within the annual subsidy budget.
When setting the prices, NTUS and FM continue to balance cost and value across the range of items offered to staff.
The majority of prices have not been increased since August 2009, with a reduction in July 2010, despite the underlying rises in food costs that you may have seen reported in the media.
In determining the new prices the VAT increase was taken into consideration. Unlike products off the shelf at the supermarkets the food sold in any restaurant attracts VAT, therefore the VAT rate is applied in NATS facilities.
Non-core items prices have not been published as these will vary from time to time in line with local supplier costs, however the current prices will always be on display in the restaurant.
We believe that current food item prices continue to offer NATS staff excellent value for money.
BD
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So, to correct my post in the interests of BD's balance; tea prices have risen by 25%, not the 40% originally stated. 25% pay rise anyone?
Yes, tea is just one item, of a low overall price, but canteen prices at my unit have increased across the board (sandwiches up by between 35% and 50%, hot food up by between 30% and 60%, soft drinks up by 30%) as you may have noticed yourself on one of your visits BD
I don't really care what sort of spin management/NTUS put on it, or on anything else for that matter. A price rise is a price rise, even if in the grand scheme of things it's mere bagatelle.
Really, the canteen price increases were a tongue in cheek opening gambit to my post - it was the indefensible and grossly wasteful happy clappy, lets all dance around the room at a nice hotel then tell everyone 8 facts about ourselves etc etc, course for senior managers I was really having a wee pop at.
Yes, tea is just one item, of a low overall price, but canteen prices at my unit have increased across the board (sandwiches up by between 35% and 50%, hot food up by between 30% and 60%, soft drinks up by 30%) as you may have noticed yourself on one of your visits BD
I don't really care what sort of spin management/NTUS put on it, or on anything else for that matter. A price rise is a price rise, even if in the grand scheme of things it's mere bagatelle.
Really, the canteen price increases were a tongue in cheek opening gambit to my post - it was the indefensible and grossly wasteful happy clappy, lets all dance around the room at a nice hotel then tell everyone 8 facts about ourselves etc etc, course for senior managers I was really having a wee pop at.
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OK then I guess that's a nice wee deviation on the pay debate....I guess we will have time for a few more deviations before a firm decent offer is on the table....dont hold your breath folks!!
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Doesn't make much difference wrt pay (though it does mean that financiers believe in the viability of the company which should be a good thing for the workforce) - what it does mean is that the recent £30M dividend has done its job by making the company look good, thus increasing the share value.
All good signs to any potential buyer...
Also, this is just a value put on by the 'experts' and not derived through shareholder activity (buying and selling) as the company has not had a full flotation, it isn't quite the same as other shares.
All good signs to any potential buyer...
Also, this is just a value put on by the 'experts' and not derived through shareholder activity (buying and selling) as the company has not had a full flotation, it isn't quite the same as other shares.
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though it does mean that financiers believe in the viability of the company which should be a good thing for the workforce
Let's not kid ourselves that NSL (or a large part of it) will survive the transition to the private business world under new owners.
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