UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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I would have thought that there is an ethical dimension to this as well (agreeing to do additional responsibilities to allow the management to make colleagues redundant and make even more profit)
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It isn't a new tactic. When home to duty payments were up for scrapping the ploy was that if there was a vote to agree to end the payments, every employee would receive a backhander.
Of course those who did not qualify for such payments were obviously going to vote 'yes' to scrapping, as they would receive money for nothing!
Of course those who did not qualify for such payments were obviously going to vote 'yes' to scrapping, as they would receive money for nothing!
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From: Costa del Swanwick
Our union?.....thats right....would never happen.....dry powder.....everybody out or roll over and tickle our tummies.
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From: UK
Word on the street is that the new offer is a sigificant increase on the 2% offered previously....But one person's significant is another person's derisory.
If they have come back with a 3-3.5% offer, then I'll be voting NO to that (and hopefully 51% of others will too), and we can see how NATS stew without AAVA's this Summer.
I won't be voting yes to any pay offer less than 5%, and even then it depends on the strings attached.
If they have come back with a 3-3.5% offer, then I'll be voting NO to that (and hopefully 51% of others will too), and we can see how NATS stew without AAVA's this Summer.
I won't be voting yes to any pay offer less than 5%, and even then it depends on the strings attached.
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From: UK
I don’t know if the threat of fewer people being willing to work AAVAs will get us a proper pay offer but certainly talking doesn’t seem to be getting us anywhere.
Maybe we need to look across the Channel for some guidance in effective negotiations.
The money is there, the company are making fantastic profits
Maybe we need to look across the Channel for some guidance in effective negotiations.
The money is there, the company are making fantastic profits
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From: Costa del Swanwick
The Unions need to get the workers in on the bonuses thing too.
Think about it and you'll see how unsustainable it would be.
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From: solent-on-sea
Controller's fault for not seeing it coming and applying short term measures to protect himself. Bound to be. No blame culture mind you, so definitely no blame attached to flow, or management.
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From: UK
So just on what basis would you consider a bonus appropriate in the operational world? Not having an incident, not filing an overload or no delays on your sector?
NATS has targets to meet, if it makes them company wide bonus. If it doesn't no bonus.
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From: Home
Why would it have to be narrowed down to such a level?
NATS has targets to meet, if it makes them company wide bonus. If it doesn't no bonus.
NATS has targets to meet, if it makes them company wide bonus. If it doesn't no bonus.
We also went down this route with pay deals in the past, having lump sums tied to wishy-washy company-wide targets and it was generally agreed it was a disaster and we shouldn't go there again.
Be careful what you wish for.
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From: Up North
For comment please
From a reliable source.
I thought that at the last conference we passed 2 motions (it wasn't the curry), 51 and eighty something, which basically stated that if NATS attached any additional tasks for NSL controllers such as undertaking Met Tasks to any pay deal then we would immediately ballot for industrial action or words to that effect.
Whilst we have again knocked the offer back the majority of the union delegation, mainly band 4/5 atcos, allegedly found the offer on the table quite appealing even with the tasks attached. There was also allegedly more percentage pay on offer to band 4/5 atcos even though the majority would not be undertaking these tasks in NERL but who would have the capability of voting this through with a yes vote. Let's face it management aren't stupid.
Why are we even sitting down whilst we have all these strings attached?
If the union wants to keep any credibility or integrity that it may have, it needs to stick to it's own guidelines.
Draw a line in the dry powder now please and stop fa*nying about.
From a reliable source.
I thought that at the last conference we passed 2 motions (it wasn't the curry), 51 and eighty something, which basically stated that if NATS attached any additional tasks for NSL controllers such as undertaking Met Tasks to any pay deal then we would immediately ballot for industrial action or words to that effect.
Whilst we have again knocked the offer back the majority of the union delegation, mainly band 4/5 atcos, allegedly found the offer on the table quite appealing even with the tasks attached. There was also allegedly more percentage pay on offer to band 4/5 atcos even though the majority would not be undertaking these tasks in NERL but who would have the capability of voting this through with a yes vote. Let's face it management aren't stupid.
Why are we even sitting down whilst we have all these strings attached?
If the union wants to keep any credibility or integrity that it may have, it needs to stick to it's own guidelines.
Draw a line in the dry powder now please and stop fa*nying about.
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From: USA
There was also allegedly more percentage pay on offer to band 4/5 atcos even though the majority would not be undertaking these tasks in NERL but who would have the capability of voting this through with a yes vote.
No that would never happen. We are one NATS.
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From: Hants
...the majority of the union delegation, mainly band 4/5 atcos, allegedly found the offer on the table quite appealing even with the tasks attached. There was also allegedly more percentage pay on offer to band 4/5 atcos...