UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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PB is doing what he is good at.....the following an extract from the Times in 2003.............
THE stricken Anglo-French industrial giant Alstom is to cut its UK staff from 10,000 to 5,000 and reduce the status of operations here from an exporting base to a “service” centre.
Most of the workers will be transferred to new employers, but about 1,100 jobs will go at Washwood Heath, Alstom’s train factory in Birmingham. Unions said last week that they feared 2,000 British jobs would eventually be lost in the restructuring. As part of a €3.4 billion (£2.4 billion) refinancing package, the French state has taken a one-third stake in the company, and underwritten a bond issue.
Senior executives said yesterday they had received no support from British ministers in their attempts to keep train-building and power-export contracts in Britain. Only last week the company’s plea for a £30m export credit to support a power-station contract in Malaysia was turned down.
Assistance would have brought a £100m contract to the company’s Manchester power operations. “Their letters basically said they would not support us because the market (for credit guarantees) was not that difficult,” said Paul Barron, Alstom’s senior UK executive.
I would have thought if he has got a 9% bonus its money well spent..........saved NATS a fortune on future pensions cost's and saving even more by paying us bugger all of a pay rise.....I guess once he has destroyed NATS as he did to Alstom he will move on to pastures new!!!!
THE stricken Anglo-French industrial giant Alstom is to cut its UK staff from 10,000 to 5,000 and reduce the status of operations here from an exporting base to a “service” centre.
Most of the workers will be transferred to new employers, but about 1,100 jobs will go at Washwood Heath, Alstom’s train factory in Birmingham. Unions said last week that they feared 2,000 British jobs would eventually be lost in the restructuring. As part of a €3.4 billion (£2.4 billion) refinancing package, the French state has taken a one-third stake in the company, and underwritten a bond issue.
Senior executives said yesterday they had received no support from British ministers in their attempts to keep train-building and power-export contracts in Britain. Only last week the company’s plea for a £30m export credit to support a power-station contract in Malaysia was turned down.
Assistance would have brought a £100m contract to the company’s Manchester power operations. “Their letters basically said they would not support us because the market (for credit guarantees) was not that difficult,” said Paul Barron, Alstom’s senior UK executive.
I would have thought if he has got a 9% bonus its money well spent..........saved NATS a fortune on future pensions cost's and saving even more by paying us bugger all of a pay rise.....I guess once he has destroyed NATS as he did to Alstom he will move on to pastures new!!!!
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BBC NEWS | England | Wiltshire | Strike considered over pay freeze
just seen this.
represented by prospect. who are outraged apparently. I can't imagine they would be outraged if we were getting a pay freeze. slightly miffed, a little disappointed maybe, never outraged.
just seen this.
represented by prospect. who are outraged apparently. I can't imagine they would be outraged if we were getting a pay freeze. slightly miffed, a little disappointed maybe, never outraged.
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Changing union
A belated response to Loxley's suggestion and Mr777's question on 9th.April
I outlined the process in my post on 30th March:
There are three main grounds for derecognition (see http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1074439033):
Derecognition owing to lack of support - worker application
A worker (or workers) from the bargaining unit can apply to the Central Arbitration Committee (CAC) for derecognition - but only where no such similar application has been made in the past three years. If the CAC accepts the application as valid, it will try to help the workers, union and employer reach an agreement on derecognition. If an agreement is not reached, the CAC will arrange a secret ballot to test worker support for derecognition. However, it will do this only if it believes that:
- at least 10 per cent of the workers in the bargaining unit favour derecognition, and
- a majority of the workers in the bargaining unit are likely to favour derecognition
A union will be derecognised as a result of the ballot if a majority of those voting and at least 40 per cent of those entitled to vote favour derecognition.
On a serious note, how would we theoretically go about getting a new Union to represent us?
There are three main grounds for derecognition (see http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1074439033):
- the employer no longer employs 21 or more workers
- the union no longer has enough support from workers in the bargaining unit - the group of workers the union represents
- union membership in the bargaining unit falls below 50 per cent
Derecognition owing to lack of support - worker application
A worker (or workers) from the bargaining unit can apply to the Central Arbitration Committee (CAC) for derecognition - but only where no such similar application has been made in the past three years. If the CAC accepts the application as valid, it will try to help the workers, union and employer reach an agreement on derecognition. If an agreement is not reached, the CAC will arrange a secret ballot to test worker support for derecognition. However, it will do this only if it believes that:
- at least 10 per cent of the workers in the bargaining unit favour derecognition, and
- a majority of the workers in the bargaining unit are likely to favour derecognition
A union will be derecognised as a result of the ballot if a majority of those voting and at least 40 per cent of those entitled to vote favour derecognition.
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And privatisation of the Post Office is being robustly fought - of course the Post Office is such a safety orientated organisation that privatisation would not be a good idea.
ATC on the other hand...
Expect a 3.4% 2 year pay deal to be motioned (after the special delegate conference where NSL will get screwed).
Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
ATC on the other hand...
Expect a 3.4% 2 year pay deal to be motioned (after the special delegate conference where NSL will get screwed).
Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
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Some of us are not in work for a while - any chance of a precis either here or in the NATS private forum??
It's not the announcement that Mr Barron is leaving, is it? That's the only one of my pre-pension vote predictions that is still to come true...
Some of us are not in work for a while - any chance of a precis either here or in the NATS private forum??
It's not the announcement that Mr Barron is leaving, is it? That's the only one of my pre-pension vote predictions that is still to come true...
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Its not the announcement that the airline group 
are getting tens of millions at our expense is it ?? 
And we are getting a decent pay rise ??!!
This could be the sweetener to restore morale ...
You heard it here first
are getting tens of millions at our expense is it ?? And we are getting a decent pay rise ??!!
This could be the sweetener to restore morale ...
You heard it here first
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Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
.Would have to be on leave this week as well. If NSL get screwed that is the end of the union in NSL. the big question is who do we get?
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Expect a 3.4% 2 year pay deal to be motioned (after the special delegate conference where NSL will get screwed).
Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
Around 2.5% this year and 0.9% the year after...
But no doubt the hares are running now over this figure. One that I have to say I would be fairly happy with
Just let the negotiators do what they have to do.
PS. Zooker, which planet are you on-unfortunately not the one you suggest has just been hit.
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Not cancelled, will be reviewed in September.
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Two PCG's told us that so it must be true? 
They would not try and mislead us, would they?
Whoever told you PCG pay rises were cancelled.... was wrong.
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PCG's are not getting any rise I hear but that will be reviewed in September.
They would not try and mislead us, would they?