What are your pet hate non-standard phraseologies?

[flightsearch]

I have used "Tango Romeo Alpha" instead of "Trasadingen". But when i give "Tange Romeo Alpha" most time (about 97%) reply was "Roger direct Trasadingen" (even foreign pilots Air China, Korean Air, Ryan Air)...

And if the pilot have a problem reading back "Trasadingen" my next message will be "direct Trasadingen Tango Romeo Alpha"...

cheers

Johannes

[proxus]

I have used "Tango Romeo Alpha" instead of "Trasadingen". But when i give "Tange Romeo Alpha" most time (about 97%) reply was "Roger direct Trasadingen" (even foreign pilots Air China, Korean Air, Ryan Air)...

And if the pilot have a problem reading back "Trasadingen" my next message will be "direct Trasadingen Tango Romeo Alpha"...

cheers

Johannes

Hello.
That's good to hear that at least ATC is understandable that not everyone has years of experience and knows the names of each and every VOR. I guess it also depends on how fast it is read out and degree of accent. Believe my most of us are all trying to improve every aspect of our professionalism each time we fly, ATC is just one of those things.

Regards,
Proxus

[L337]

"ABC123, fully ready"
Is this everyones pet gripe? Come on TRE's, get it sorted. Or maybe it's a flying school issue, it seems particularly prevalent in airlines with a younger pilot age profile.

When Delivery give me the ATC clearance, and then ask me to... "call when fully ready," I call fully ready. Often happens on busy days in the USA.

ATC: "ABC123, is MAG/Omelo/GMH etc on your flightplan?"
ABC123: "stand-by" (or just silence).
Next time why not read your flightplan in advance and know where you're going?

Long haul flight deck. 30 pages of FMS flight plan, and 20 pages of plog. A complex SID can take 4 pages of FMS alone. You need to remember that.

"Hello London, ABC123 FL360 direct STU"
Whatever about non-locals to London ATC, can't at least the locals read the AIP about what/what not to correctly transmit?

People do this on change over of FIR. ie If cleared to STU from the Irish FIR or Oceanic. ie not making the assumption that the 2 FIRs have communicated. The eastern med and the mayhem there and Africa makes pilots wary of the assumption that adjacent FIRs communicate.

"ABC123 request"
Oooh, a puzzle this one as always. Do you want a new FL, runway infomation or airplay of "Danger Zone" by Kenny Loggins? Must be a lot of shy pilots out there, but don't be, just ask for what you want.

I agree, but, not everywhere is the UK, or the USA, or Europe. If I launched into a complex request over China, or Brazil, or USSR asking to go 6 miles right of track, then back on track at TGZ, then heading 270 for 20 miles, I guarantee that I will get a long silence then a "say again." Saying "Request" Ts' up the controller that a non normal one is on its way.

ATIS: "Initial contact with approach with callsign only"
"Approach, ABC123, good morning to you, descending to 3000ft on qnh 1010, heading 100 degrees, speed 180 kts"
Is reading the bloody ATIS so difficult? In the mean time, as you spout forth your ignorance, I've been left high as the g/s disappears below.

You are correct, but in defence of others, that "Initial contact with approach with callsign only" request, is only ever made at LHR. Nowhere I have ever been, all round the world, does ATC made that request except at LHR going to 126.9. It is a UK thing.

Tiny England is just that, tiny. The world is a big place and it happens differently everywhere, and everywhere is different from everywhere else. Sometimes that nasty foreign stuff impinges on your tiny world and irritates the life out of you.

I will try harder, if you agree to go to counselling.

[Surferboy]

You are correct, but in defence of others, that "Initial contact with approach with callsign only" request, is only ever made at LHR. Nowhere I have ever been, all round the world, does ATC made that request except at LHR going to 126.9. It is a UK thing.

Also on the ATIS of SPL Approach if i'm not mistaken, and while I'm at it...really annoing to have (UK-)operators checking in with their whole lifestory (Speed, Heading, QNH, FL, FL cleared to, Acft type) during an inbound-rush. I really only need your heading and speed, and only if assigned by the previous controller.

[towerboy]

All,

May I suggest a list of standard, "non-standard" phraseologies...then we can talk about the "non-standard", standard "non standard phraseologies!"

It's a big world. That is the beauty of it.

Anyway, if this is your major problem...controllers or pilots, then you have more than that to worry about!!!

TB.

[bArt2]

And I witnessed a trainee perform the following exchange which made me cringe.
"Thai XXX, expect a couple of spins at XYZ, bring back the speed now"
"Say again"
"Thai XXX expect a couple of spins at XYZ bring back your speed"
"Thai XXX not understand, say again"
Trainee now getting a bit irate... "Thai XXX, bring back the speed, you're going to hold!!"

Long pause....

I take the RT.

"Thai XXX hold at XYZ, reduce to minimum clean speed"
"Hold at XYZ reduce minimum clean, Thai XXX"

I wouldn't mind doing a spin over XYZ in a Cessna 152 but only in VMC and with no one below. But to expect someone to do that in an airliner is asking for disaster.

Show this page to the trainee Spin (flight) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

[wayupthere]

"Fully Parked" used if no guidance to pull all the way on to stand but might look like we are from the tower, or if no APU and waiting for ground power before shutting down engines etc etc etc

[Denti]

You are correct, but in defence of others, that "Initial contact with approach with callsign only" request, is only ever made at LHR. Nowhere I have ever been, all round the world, does ATC made that request except at LHR going to 126.9. It is a UK thing.

Actually, that is one of the few non-UK specialities. Well, elsewhere it is not approach but rather director (feeder), but the same still applies.

[Lon More]

Not non-standard, but pilots who request descent then, a minute later,when several aircraft below have been vectored out their way, say, "We'll call you leaving."
Big temptation to say, "Descent clearance cancelled , maintain FL360 to the hold." and put everyone back on own nav.

I will try harder, if you agree to go to counselling

There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy

[Lady-ATC]

to bArt2

i never met any *a couple of spins *or *bring the speed down*in the phraseology-sounds like a James Bond talking on the frequency.Not professionally,let alone saying you were talking to a crew that probably only has ICAO English level 4.
Ur trainee was getting irritated?Show him the documents.
And you probably noticed-was no problem at all for the crew to understand what he was saying when started to use aviation language.

[Lady-ATC]

Sorry bArt2-it wasnt ur trainee,i only noticed.anyway i was trying to say that some people shud think before talk on the fqcy

[Lon More]

Lady-ATC I hope your spoken English is a bit more understandable than your SMS-speak here