DFS-Germany Direct Entry Atco-Info please
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I can confirm that I have been invited for testing, I was given a choice of dates to pick from, the first is the 24th and 25th April. It appartently will involve sim testing, another interview and a medical.
Still no idea what the package will be as yet, but if they want my services they will have to make it worth my while!
Still no idea what the package will be as yet, but if they want my services they will have to make it worth my while!
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Just to clarify things???
So do we receive sth either way....."positif or negatif" or do they just sent sth if they are still interested......just trying to get an idea
thx
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KRH Radial 270 DME 12
KRH = Karlsruhe. An inofficial point used as a short cut...
Take a look:
http://www.wimo.de/sbs-1-ss3.htm
Saigor
KRH = Karlsruhe. An inofficial point used as a short cut...
Take a look:
http://www.wimo.de/sbs-1-ss3.htm
Saigor
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Ok... I see.
It was a strange request by Swiss for a traffic going northbound. So it's not identified with a fix, rnav point or something similiar?? You tell a pilot "clear direct to German Corner" and everybody know that they have to fly to KRH 270/12?? Cool!! I've learned a new direct!! TGO or KRH are getting boring!!
It was a strange request by Swiss for a traffic going northbound. So it's not identified with a fix, rnav point or something similiar?? You tell a pilot "clear direct to German Corner" and everybody know that they have to fly to KRH 270/12?? Cool!! I've learned a new direct!! TGO or KRH are getting boring!!
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do you, as a controller, know all the details about terms and condition, packages, training schedules and so on, which may be offered to direct entries of another country, if it is the first time your company would do that on a larger scale?
Well, I don't know any details, heard some rumors, but lacking any facts.
But DME and Radials - that's something I know.
And even the known facts about the direct entrys are changing from week to week. As an example, first all Units needed some new controllers, and all of them should get some. Later it changed to Karlsruhe and Langen only. In the meantime I learned that Munich will get some of the direct entries as well.
If you are looking for details about terms and conditions offered, ask the DFS, and IMHO don't be shy about it. To change the country (or even the continent) is a large step for anybody - therefore it could be impolite to ask about money, but it is a necessity to know some details like future income.
Greetings
Saigor
Well, I don't know any details, heard some rumors, but lacking any facts.
But DME and Radials - that's something I know.
And even the known facts about the direct entrys are changing from week to week. As an example, first all Units needed some new controllers, and all of them should get some. Later it changed to Karlsruhe and Langen only. In the meantime I learned that Munich will get some of the direct entries as well.
If you are looking for details about terms and conditions offered, ask the DFS, and IMHO don't be shy about it. To change the country (or even the continent) is a large step for anybody - therefore it could be impolite to ask about money, but it is a necessity to know some details like future income.
Greetings
Saigor
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Hi Saigor,
I had no idea to be rude.
regarding direct entries,I believe that there will be the same T&C as for "locals" . I do not believe that your union or associations will accept anything else.
It means, excellent T&C,
Best regards
I had no idea to be rude.
regarding direct entries,I believe that there will be the same T&C as for "locals" . I do not believe that your union or associations will accept anything else.
It means, excellent T&C,
Best regards
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no prob, I would be interested in details as well. And I would be pleased to give details to you (or the other possible ready entries), but I don`t want to talk rubbish. So the best choice is to shut up about details.
And a strong union must not work in favour of ready entries, because a high number of ready entries would shift power to the employer. They won't accept bad conditions but they have to honour
the time in the company of the 'older' controller. As an educated guess, a ready entrie would get a lot more money as a normal trainee, but not as much as a rated controller. But that's only a a guesstimate.
And it's one union www.GdF.de , still with some eggshells behind the ears, but strong from the beginning.....
And I would be pleased to welcome some ready entries in Munich, improves the flair
Saigor
And a strong union must not work in favour of ready entries, because a high number of ready entries would shift power to the employer. They won't accept bad conditions but they have to honour
the time in the company of the 'older' controller. As an educated guess, a ready entrie would get a lot more money as a normal trainee, but not as much as a rated controller. But that's only a a guesstimate.
And it's one union www.GdF.de , still with some eggshells behind the ears, but strong from the beginning.....
And I would be pleased to welcome some ready entries in Munich, improves the flair
Saigor
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Any news on the package?
Hi,
Has anyone heard more news about what they will be offering as a final package?
I heard some people got a further invite, sadly i have not received anything so i'm afraid my chance is up.....too bad....i would have enjoyed being back in Germany.
But i wish the best to the other candidates and well will remain interested in the offers that may be granted.
So i hope you guys will keep the rest of us in the loop.......thanx.
Has anyone heard more news about what they will be offering as a final package?
I heard some people got a further invite, sadly i have not received anything so i'm afraid my chance is up.....too bad....i would have enjoyed being back in Germany.
But i wish the best to the other candidates and well will remain interested in the offers that may be granted.
So i hope you guys will keep the rest of us in the loop.......thanx.
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I think you will get the same as everyone else,
e.g. normal pay according to DFS payscheme. I don´t know about a retirement packag though. From age 55 till retirement it will be the same as the "German" controllers, e.g about 70% of last pay. This is called "Uebergangsversorgung". I think the actual retirement payment by DFS depends on how long you have been with the company, but that´s just an educated guess.
I would say that if you´re young joining DFS is certainly no mistake...unless you work for EUROCONTROL or Honolulu Approach. We complain a lot but having read pprune for a couple of years now I come to the conclusion that management sucks everywhere....
I got the information that one course is scheduled to start in June, another in September. Personally I would say this will be postponed by at least three months because no one has a contract yet as far as I know.
If you want to follow discussions among German controllers try www.atcnet.de but don´t take everything seriously there!
I would say that if you´re young joining DFS is certainly no mistake...unless you work for EUROCONTROL or Honolulu Approach. We complain a lot but having read pprune for a couple of years now I come to the conclusion that management sucks everywhere....
I got the information that one course is scheduled to start in June, another in September. Personally I would say this will be postponed by at least three months because no one has a contract yet as far as I know.
If you want to follow discussions among German controllers try www.atcnet.de but don´t take everything seriously there!
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Come on ladies/gents give us some juice!!
Hey,
Its been awhile since the DFS advertised some opening slots......so what is the news from the chosen ones hehe? What kind of package are they going to offer?
I hope for those that are chosen that they offer you a basic german class in the package.....on top of other things.
But anyway let us unlucky but still interested ones know of the outcome.....it would furfill my curiosity and many others on pprune as well.
Thanx
Its been awhile since the DFS advertised some opening slots......so what is the news from the chosen ones hehe? What kind of package are they going to offer?
I hope for those that are chosen that they offer you a basic german class in the package.....on top of other things.
But anyway let us unlucky but still interested ones know of the outcome.....it would furfill my curiosity and many others on pprune as well.
Thanx
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looking for info
Hi, I can't start a new thread for some reason so I'm using this post.
I am a French ATC trainee doing a thesis about the status of ATCs overall Europe. That's why I need some information about DFS, especially about your school in Langen. I don't know if it's a secret school but we can't find any information about it.
So if a German ATC could remember his time in Langen it would help me
First of all, how was the exam to enter the school ?
Then what was the salary while there?
Anything you could remember from your time in school would be nice too.
Another question even if it's not related, I can't find the age of retirement for ATC in belgocontrol, if a nice Belgium controller could answer me ...
Thanks in advance !
I am a French ATC trainee doing a thesis about the status of ATCs overall Europe. That's why I need some information about DFS, especially about your school in Langen. I don't know if it's a secret school but we can't find any information about it.
So if a German ATC could remember his time in Langen it would help me
First of all, how was the exam to enter the school ?
Then what was the salary while there?
Anything you could remember from your time in school would be nice too.
Another question even if it's not related, I can't find the age of retirement for ATC in belgocontrol, if a nice Belgium controller could answer me ...
Thanks in advance !
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Hi sihame,
first of all you have to fullfill some requirements, about school grades, age and so on. If you pass that one, a test by the DLR will follow, two days with computer tests for memory, english, dimensional awareness, concentration. Hard time....
Thereafter, one day with some more sophisticated, more ATC related test, a bit of assesment center (to check the ability of team work).
Fourth day is another english test, if I remember correctly an interview of about half an hour in english, medical exam and on the fifth day a psychologic evaluation up to 2 hours (the last two days are open about the sequence, depending on the number of test persons)
Money at the academy is about 600 €, but I wouldn't bet anything on that number
Other memories? Lot's of learning, lot of fun. Good time there but as well good to be in a real working position after that time. Best of it been the Sim.....
Have fun
Saigor
first of all you have to fullfill some requirements, about school grades, age and so on. If you pass that one, a test by the DLR will follow, two days with computer tests for memory, english, dimensional awareness, concentration. Hard time....
Thereafter, one day with some more sophisticated, more ATC related test, a bit of assesment center (to check the ability of team work).
Fourth day is another english test, if I remember correctly an interview of about half an hour in english, medical exam and on the fifth day a psychologic evaluation up to 2 hours (the last two days are open about the sequence, depending on the number of test persons)
Money at the academy is about 600 €, but I wouldn't bet anything on that number
Other memories? Lot's of learning, lot of fun. Good time there but as well good to be in a real working position after that time. Best of it been the Sim.....
Have fun
Saigor
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Money at the academy is about 600 €
Lot's of learning, lot of fun.
Starting with theory only (about four weeks), then theory and sim alongside, with ever increasing sim portion.
Starting in June, we'll have mostly sim for the remaining 8 months, which everyone is looking forward to.
No additions wrt the testing in Hamburg, however, the school grades requirement has been lifted.
Regards,
Robert