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NATS interview process

Old 2nd Feb 2017, 17:02
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As a NATS controller, you guys and girls need to be learning any info given to you as thoroughly as possible, this is the tip of the iceberg - our manual of air traffic is a monster with some sectors worse than others. Get on the internet, watch some videos, listen to some ATC tapes even if they are from the USA and at least learn your name phonetically.

We are not out to get you at the interview but at stage 3 you need to have MULTIPLE real world examples of problem solving, how you've coped with high workload etc. Think Uni, jobs, exams, driving tests etc.

From my memory of aptitude test, they are looking for accuracy - the speed we can work on later. Make the planes miss, worry about the rest later, but concentrate on consistency not speed. They are designed to beat you but don't give up. In ATC you can never give up, it just isn't an option!!

Good Luck, you'll need a bit!!
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Old 2nd Feb 2017, 21:02
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I wonder how many potentially excellent ATCOs NATS have missed out on, due to their initial reliance on 'aptitude tests'?
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 15:42
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Originally Posted by ZOOKER View Post
I wonder how many potentially excellent ATCOs NATS have missed out on, due to their initial reliance on 'aptitude tests'?
Did you fail the aptitude tests ZOOKER ?
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 16:24
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I think NATS may be missing potentially excellent ATCO's by making applicants travel to CTC for interviews and London for the medical. If you live in, or north of the central belt of Scotland and you are successful, you will have ended up paying between 1200-1400 for T&S.
If only there was a NATS unit with spare rooms, a training section and medical facilities available in Scotland that would be quite useful and I honestly believe NATS would get more applicants.
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Old 3rd Feb 2017, 17:02
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Possibly, GRUNT, I can't remember offhand.
I took them back in 1978.


Ayr, I thought they had recently opened a medical facility at EGPX? Or is that just for renewals?
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Old 4th Feb 2017, 00:48
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NATS booking for stage 2

Hi guys,

I am very happy to invited for stage 2 assessment for ATCO but got a little problem, according to e-mail sent by NATS, I should book and attend within 7 days. but I have seen people on this forum booked their stage 2 process after a month as well.

Please if someone can guide me on that it will be much appreciated
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Old 4th Feb 2017, 12:37
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Yes I just have passed my stage 1 and waiting for stage 2 appointment, my invitation email said it has to be booked and attended within 7 days. was it case with you as well?
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Old 4th Feb 2017, 17:12
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To be honest with you, NATS has around 3000 applications for their training (20 end up being selected), so bearing in mind they are denying 2980 applicants, I believe they have the authority to make the rules as they want without the need to change it (imagine paying all these people to come to the CTC to have only 0.5% being selected).
If you got Stage 2 coming up and are scared about the details of the aircrafts, just study them. I know it can be harsh to say that "If you can't handle the study materials, you shouldn't be attempting" but it's true, as said before, you will go under one year of intense training and if you can't bother to memorize 5 pages of aircraft information (that is more than essential if you are going to be handle them everyday), then I can't see you studying manuals of 200 pages each :/
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Old 4th Feb 2017, 18:04
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It's a lot more than one year of intense training, often up to 3 or more, depending on where you are posted to at the end of the course. I'd put the workload up there along with a medical, science, or law degree.
It doesn't stop there though. Each year there are competency checks, emergency training and a bi-annual medical examination, (which becomes an annual event after the age of 40). There will be further examinations on new airspace/procedures as they are introduced. There are some excellent controllers, who for various reasons, (often no fault of their own), have failed to validate at units they were subsequently posted to later in their careers.

And for BwatchGRUNT, I found the paperwork, and yes, I failed the aptitude tests by 5%.

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Old 4th Feb 2017, 20:11
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Does anyone have a success story about getting in the second time round? Just got back from stage 2 and sadly failed the DART. I'm wondering if I should just park this dream up and move on to something else.
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Old 4th Feb 2017, 22:17
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Hello

Hi folks.
I have just come across this forum doing some research into the application process for trainee controller.
I have passed both online assessments and have booked onto a stage 2 assessment centre in April, a long wait because I can't get the time off work before then and I have to travel from the north of Scotland so a decent financial investment too!

Good luck to all those who are in the process of applying and I will follow the progress here quietly.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 04:59
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I had at least one person on my course who made it on the third attempt and last I heard they were doing very well (not based at the same unit as me these days).

I would suggest you consider your options, this didn't go as planned so what would you do if this doesn't happen? If you don't know maybe time to try to some other things in life and see. Then you can try again in the future if you still want it, or you can leave it. But that decision is not best made now just after failure I think, rather make it when it's time to reapply. Also then there is nothing stopping you giving it some more time before reapplying if you're not sure. Just don't build your life around reapplying because you are certain you will get in next time, there are no gaurantees in this unfortunately.
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 06:36
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FEAST and DART

Thanks MNAsantos and other regarding info, I just wanted to give myself a bit more time to prepare the best I can

I am not worried about ATC Knowledge test as I have info available and I can do some research but I am worried about FEAST and DART, I don't know what to expect if any clues on how to prepare It will be great help.



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Old 5th Feb 2017, 10:45
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Hello Everyone,

This thread has been so useful. I have a question for anyone who knows the answer :P

I was watching a video recently that mentioned that once you commence college training that if you do not pass a test with at least 75% then you automatically are kicked off the course. Is this true? Are there really no second chances?
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 10:58
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Hello there,

This thread has been very useful. I just have one question:

The other day I was watching a NATs video. In the video, on of the instructors at the college was talking and mentioned that if trainees do not achieve at least 75% first time round in all of the tests that they are automatically taken off the course. Are there really no second chances?
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Old 5th Feb 2017, 16:41
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Could someone who has recently sat stage 3 please confirm if there are questions based on the stage 2 knowledge booklet in the interview?
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 12:45
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Stage 2 coming up...

So I'm heading to my stage 2 assessment on the 23rd of Feb. I'm super excited but also terrified!

I've passed the aptitude tests for the RAF SNCO ATC position last April but this FEAST and DART thing seems really easy to mess up going by the amount of people who seem to fail stage 2!

Any advice on the format of the assessments? I downloaded the FEAST Test app and it seems pretty good in that it covers the general idea of what my RAF tests were but obviously I'm accepting that it won't be identical to what I'll be doing with NATS.

Any advice on the tests and how they're structured would be much appreciated!!
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 15:05
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@questioner, there is generally one resit allowed (not sure if it's mandated but that has as far as I known always been the standard).

However there are never gauranteed second chances, there are cases where training is suspended and the trainee is recoursed onto another course or into another disciplin. However there are also many cases where training is not resumed and the trainee terminated.

The harsh reality of it all is that if you make it to a basic course start you are by no means gauranteed to make it to unit or to validate at that unit. All I can say though is if you make it that far don't fail on theory. There is no real excuse (in my mind) for failing the theory, most of it is fairly simple it's just a case of memorising large chunks of data. Anyone can be taught ATC theory, the practical side is what gets people and if you fail on theory you've not even given yourself a proper chance at the job.
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 15:16
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Originally Posted by RadHead View Post
Does anyone have a success story about getting in the second time round? Just got back from stage 2 and sadly failed the DART. I'm wondering if I should just park this dream up and move on to something else.
I'm the one from CV's course who got in on the third try. It's what I've always wanted to do. Each time I learnt from where I'd failed and improved.
It is definitely possible, don't give up!
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 15:40
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Originally Posted by questioner View Post
Hello there,

This thread has been very useful. I just have one question:

The other day I was watching a NATs video. In the video, on of the instructors at the college was talking and mentioned that if trainees do not achieve at least 75% first time round in all of the tests that they are automatically taken off the course. Are there really no second chances?
It really depends on the trainee and the circumstances. In theory, you can resit an exam...but if you are making a habit of this, then how are you showing your dedication and commitment to the role? Throughout your career as an atco you are constantly learning, memorising huge amounts of information and applying this in your daily role. There is no easy way to do this, no shortcuts.
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