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Gonzo, I would say that relocation to a different ATC Unit and your issue are two different subjects.
As I understand it, you are being made to travel longer within the airport to get to work.
OK, this is not a great situation but I do not believe that you should be compensated. You are not, after all, on shift during this extra time. This is just that your working environment has changed. You either accept it, as controllers accept change regularly, or find that the situation is unacceptable for you and look for another post. If enough EGLL TWR Controllers expressed their wished to leave, then you might have something happen.
I would push your management to provide you with the time that they require within the airport to get to work - such that if the airport were not transporting you to your place of work within the prescribed time, then it is not your fault! This however could be problematic for logistic reasons.
I assume that you have already approached your direct managers and requested some assistance with this matter, if not, then try that. (Free coffee machine maybe??)
If the union believe you have a case to argue, then so be it, but I fully understand all the other controllers having a problem with you requesting more money for this.
A small example - the staff carpark that was used, is to be built on with an airport building - another staff carpark is allocated but involves longer walking distance to work - should all airport employees be compensated for this?
Not as extreme an example as yours but what do you think?
As I understand it, you are being made to travel longer within the airport to get to work.
OK, this is not a great situation but I do not believe that you should be compensated. You are not, after all, on shift during this extra time. This is just that your working environment has changed. You either accept it, as controllers accept change regularly, or find that the situation is unacceptable for you and look for another post. If enough EGLL TWR Controllers expressed their wished to leave, then you might have something happen.
I would push your management to provide you with the time that they require within the airport to get to work - such that if the airport were not transporting you to your place of work within the prescribed time, then it is not your fault! This however could be problematic for logistic reasons.
I assume that you have already approached your direct managers and requested some assistance with this matter, if not, then try that. (Free coffee machine maybe??)
If the union believe you have a case to argue, then so be it, but I fully understand all the other controllers having a problem with you requesting more money for this.
A small example - the staff carpark that was used, is to be built on with an airport building - another staff carpark is allocated but involves longer walking distance to work - should all airport employees be compensated for this?
Not as extreme an example as yours but what do you think?
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. It was an option that local management looked into but the local Prospect committee wanted "compensation" in the form of TIME.
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A small example - the staff carpark that was used, is to be built on with an airport building - another staff carpark is allocated but involves longer walking distance to work - should all airport employees be compensated for this?
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All your going to manage to get is a clocking on/off system,like thousand of workers.Whats the bet that Nats would put that in nationwide.Any e.g. will count against you big time.Ever heard of negative TOIL?
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And Gonzo, where exactly are they moving you to? Ahh yes - Heathrow. That's Heathrow to Heathrow. Correct? I wonder how many Heathrow workers would actually go to the trouble of moving house so that they could be 20 minutes closer to work? How many of you, if the company offered you a paid move, would up sticks to be closer to Heathrow by 20 minutes.
I wonder, looking at the number of Heathrow members posting on this thread which is fairly small (the usual suspects one might say!
) in relation to the total number of staff, you are actually in a minority and don't represent the majority view. This being the case, we outsiders are obviously the victims of a little LL amusement known as 'baiting'!!
I wonder, looking at the number of Heathrow members posting on this thread which is fairly small (the usual suspects one might say!
) in relation to the total number of staff, you are actually in a minority and don't represent the majority view. This being the case, we outsiders are obviously the victims of a little LL amusement known as 'baiting'!!
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It's more like 30 minutes inbound to work, and 20 minutes outbound. If your management arbitrarily decided to increase your shift lenghts by those times, would you all just accept, or negotiate compensation? If they posted you to PF from PH, would you not anticipate a relocation package?
If management decided to change shift times/lengths, they'd have to renegotiate WP, end of story.
If I was posted from PH to PF, I'd be in a completely different situation to you, of course
but I'm fairly sure that the last 4 controllers/ATSA's to go either way, didn't get any relocation because the relatively short distance between the units puts you inside the mileage from work to qualify. Besides, quite a lot of people live fairly well in the middle of the units so they don't move house anyway, and the travel time is broadly similar (though more treacherous going west in the mornings!)Lots of people move house whilst remaining at the same unit! Maybe we should all be entitled to assisted house moves whenever we decided we didn't like our commute or needed a change of scenery.
All your going to manage to get is a clocking on/off system,like thousand of workers.Whats the bet that Nats would put that in nationwide.Any e.g. will count against you big time.Ever heard of negative TOIL?
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The Heathrow WP is up for renegotiation. Suggestions include
more early starts
more late stays
AAVA cover subject to WM discretion (i.e. no automatic call in to cover absence)
longer day duties
oh - and NATS wil not ever offer anything for a move to a new tower.
Just rumour at present, but a full breifing is expected soon from the union reps.
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more early starts
more late stays
AAVA cover subject to WM discretion (i.e. no automatic call in to cover absence)
longer day duties
oh - and NATS wil not ever offer anything for a move to a new tower.
Just rumour at present, but a full breifing is expected soon from the union reps.
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"The Heathrow WP is up for renegotiation."
By a coincidence so is ours. Therefore any 'compensation' (money, extra leave etc are all welcome) may be due to us as well, if we are to be 'inconvenienced' by changing it.
However I will not hold my breath.
By a coincidence so is ours. Therefore any 'compensation' (money, extra leave etc are all welcome) may be due to us as well, if we are to be 'inconvenienced' by changing it.
However I will not hold my breath.
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What do you suggest Hootin?
A pro rata payment for the number of cups of tea and biscuits consumed whilst in position? You'd be on more than me mate, and I'm creme de la creme (Band 5)
A pro rata payment for the number of cups of tea and biscuits consumed whilst in position? You'd be on more than me mate, and I'm creme de la creme (Band 5)
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Been looking at this thread for a while but I've been holding my breath, waiting to see if I could offer anything helpful. When I left LL 15 years ago there was much talk of where the new tower was going to go. It was to be at the end of the Kilo/hotel apron i.e. where it is now. So unless you started longer than 15 years ago you can't complain as it was well known that you were going to move there eventually IMHO. As for being a longer shift I well remember having to arrive 45 mins before shift to get on the bus on the northside, standing up with my head (not by choice!) in some smelly armpit sweltering in 85 degree heat
. Didn't get any extra for it . Did like getting a T3 pass though!!
As for your WP negotiation giving you nothing, I expect you will get a pen or glass or something!
. Didn't get any extra for it . Did like getting a T3 pass though!!As for your WP negotiation giving you nothing, I expect you will get a pen or glass or something
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My last post on the subject, news which some of you will no doubt welcome. 
Cally;
Because the travel time changes depending on how quickly (or perhaps I should say how slowly) one can get through security. I know of one person who went over to the new tower the other day and took 40 minutes in the staff search queue. The figure of ten mintues is fanciful. I'll certainly be looking to arrive at the staff search with at least 30 minutes slack.
Well, there you are, you've answered your own point.
nodelay;
Correct, but not in the way you think it is. In fact, it might surprise you to know, that I'm considered a fairly rational and moderate voice on this issue. I know many of my colleagues have stronger views on this than I.
No need to flatter yourself, we're far too busy have airmisses over the channel to waste time like that!
Hootin';
Good on you. If Management want something, then you negotiate something for for the ATCOs in compensation, whatever that might be. Simple concept, that many here seem unable to fathom.
terrain safe;
I knew LACC was going to open (at some point) when I applied to NATS in '97, I'm sure it was on the cards well before that. We could go round and round on this subject for days!
And on a serious note, NATS gave me a glass tankard just the other week, so I dearly hope we don't get another! Now I do need a new pen, though......
Cally;
This travel time keeps changing depending on who's talking?!?
If I was posted from PH to PF, I'd be in a completely different situation to you, of course but I'm fairly sure that the last 4 controllers/ATSA's to go either way, didn't get any relocation because the relatively short distance between the units puts you inside the mileage from work to qualify. Besides, quite a lot of people live fairly well in the middle of the units so they don't move house anyway, and the travel time is broadly similar
nodelay;
I wonder, looking at the number of Heathrow members posting on this thread which is fairly small (the usual suspects one might say! ) in relation to the total number of staff, you are actually in a minority and don't represent the majority view.
This being the case, we outsiders are obviously the victims of a little LL amusement known as 'baiting'!!
Hootin';
By a coincidence so is ours. Therefore any 'compensation' (money, extra leave etc are all welcome) may be due to us as well, if we are to be 'inconvenienced' by changing it.
terrain safe;
I knew LACC was going to open (at some point) when I applied to NATS in '97, I'm sure it was on the cards well before that. We could go round and round on this subject for days!
And on a serious note, NATS gave me a glass tankard just the other week, so I dearly hope we don't get another! Now I do need a new pen, though......
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Because the travel time changes depending on how quickly (or perhaps I should say how slowly) one can get through security. I know of one person who went over to the new tower the other day and took 40 minutes in the staff search queue. The figure of ten mintues is fanciful. I'll certainly be looking to arrive at the staff search with at least 30 minutes slack.
Other carps I've picked up on in earlier threads have been about things like strips scrolling off EFPS, no mention that its been addressed by providing 2 EFPS screens so they don't scroll off. Carp about the stainless steel loo, replaced by porcelain (in process of yesterday) and lots of white goods going into the rest room as well. Food issues, I was told, will be dealt with similarly to currently, Eurest will provide milk etc and buffet lunch (at company expense). They're also looking at a deli order type facility for delivery by Eurest.
I'm disappointed (but not surprised) to see that management are addressing the carps but there is no mention of that in pprune, only a long list of moans. I'n not sticking up for management here but I think things have been and still are very one sided in here.
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Sorry, last one. Promise
When I took the minibus, it took 15 minutes to drive from CP7 to the NVCR. Not that much quicker than walking.
What white goods? Only a micro and fridge freezer are allowed.
Oh, and did anyone mention the lack of plumbed drinking water?
Perhaps if they told the staff this, there'd be less complaints. This is the first I've heard of lunch and deli orders
When I took the minibus, it took 15 minutes to drive from CP7 to the NVCR. Not that much quicker than walking.
What white goods? Only a micro and fridge freezer are allowed.
Oh, and did anyone mention the lack of plumbed drinking water?
Eurest will provide milk etc and buffet lunch (at company expense). They're also looking at a deli order type facility for delivery by Eurest.
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Perhaps if you spent less time complaining (about virtually everything it seems), your management might feel more inclined to treat you with the utmost respect you obviously feel you deserve.
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Why didn't the minibus driver take the freeranging taxiway route, surely that would take a lot less time. Presumably he didn't have the appropriate airside driving pass?
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Why didn't the minibus driver take the freeranging taxiway route, surely that would take a lot less time. Presumably he didn't have the appropriate airside driving pass?
I wouldn't have thought a minibus driver would get one of those. I doubt you are even allowed a passenger carrying vehicle such as a minibus on the Taxiways anyway unless under escort from Airfield Ops.