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SM4 Pirate,
I never said that offers have been made to Eurocontrollers. I know from sources from Aus , that offers have been made. If you can really call it an offer, just a start date..believe end of June but NO money mentioned.
Who know's your luck in a big city. At present Eurocontrol is not recruiting conversion controllers (at the moment
), even if they eventually do , you will need to get your hands on an EU passport.
I never said that offers have been made to Eurocontrollers. I know from sources from Aus , that offers have been made. If you can really call it an offer, just a start date..believe end of June but NO money mentioned.
Who know's your luck in a big city. At present Eurocontrol is not recruiting conversion controllers (at the moment
), even if they eventually do , you will need to get your hands on an EU passport.
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I understand that the watch managers/supes who've had to re-apply for their jobs (albeit under a different title and, I believe, slightly altered duties) have also had to go through the aptitude tests. It crossed my mind that maybe HR are building a database of results from experienced controllers to compare the cadet recruits with. If that's the case, while it might seem slightly unfair not to tell us it would also endanger the "clean" results if they did.
Just a thought!
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Just a thought!
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Radar,
Actually Yes. I believe the person Eagleflyer is mentioning is currently in the simulator. I am not sure how this person managed to get across. It might be that its who you know , not what you know. There was a mutual swap between the LVNL & Maastricht for 2 people about 18 months ago as well.
I did also hear (in the last 2 days ), that due to our roster almost at breaking point, Managers are weighing up the Pro's & Con's of starting back up with Conversion Courses.
Actually Yes. I believe the person Eagleflyer is mentioning is currently in the simulator. I am not sure how this person managed to get across. It might be that its who you know , not what you know. There was a mutual swap between the LVNL & Maastricht for 2 people about 18 months ago as well.
I did also hear (in the last 2 days ), that due to our roster almost at breaking point, Managers are weighing up the Pro's & Con's of starting back up with Conversion Courses.
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Hey, my p!$$!ng friend,
You're much closer to the grapevine than I at the moment. Let's face it, would a case of 'who you know .... ' really surprise you around here?????????
As for the roster, I'm still waiting for my A4 print out and a blunt instrument to try and make it work. See you for beers on the 15th.
You're much closer to the grapevine than I at the moment. Let's face it, would a case of 'who you know .... ' really surprise you around here?????????
As for the roster, I'm still waiting for my A4 print out and a blunt instrument to try and make it work. See you for beers on the 15th.
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Could this be because a lot of the guys/gals that got through to the final stages of the selection have nev er worked en- route before. In fact when this was brought up at the interview we were told NOT to worry we can train you to work en-route......Also some with only tower experience as far as I am aware..........Oh well ours is not to question ..........
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Fangorboy,
$250k USD is about $300k AUD, but that was never offered. It is rumoured that it was what the person being interviewed wanted...apparently the selection panel almost choked & the guy walked out when they said there was no chance.
$250k USD is about $300k AUD, but that was never offered. It is rumoured that it was what the person being interviewed wanted...apparently the selection panel almost choked & the guy walked out when they said there was no chance.
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Rumour
has it that all the RAAFies will be offered a place. This numbers about 32 I am told. Well this is a rumour network after all. Not sure of the total number of positions though. I was told during the interview that they want us on the floor by the end of the year.
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It'll be interesting to see the pass-rate from the conversion course... or the number of training extensions...
I know one applicant (ex-TAAATS LOI) with area RADAR and Procedural experience (currently exercising them in a complex, high traffic environment) who has been told that there were other applicants more suitable.
I know one applicant (ex-TAAATS LOI) with area RADAR and Procedural experience (currently exercising them in a complex, high traffic environment) who has been told that there were other applicants more suitable.
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deemed not suitable as well
Yo quokka, coral et al,
well like your ex TAAATS LOI, I have been told there were more suitable candidates.
Please forgive me here I am not bragging but dont understand what part of my resume below says not suitable or there are more suitable canidates.
I had spent over 17years in ASA and its predecessors on all the SY radar and procedural sectors (incl the then ARR N&S before the split), then a few yrs in BN and CG App/twr. Then left for time in the sandpit then off to the wilds of Nth America for another 2 yrs in Toronto ctr (CYYZ) working the busy north sectors and also working regional approach (for Sault St Marie and KCIW apts) and with the low airspace (which was part of the area rating) and working through the Sept 11 '01 saga then back to the sandpit for few months. then had a few years off to recover from sh*t treatment of all managements.
I can assure you the ex TAAATS LOI and myself and no doubt other applicants who have similiar CV's have been overlooked for other reasons rather than experience.
Has anyone bothered to speak to TFN (AKA Russel) I am sure the board would be interested.
But here is the rub, ASA in its usual infinite wisdom will hire others, like some of the Raafies (some of whom are bloody good controllers) and the OS applicants who may not be as experienced and only radar TMA and/or TWR rated and then proceed to stick them into a procedural enroute environment (llike they have with some raafies and OS people) and in some cases lose these people because they are out of the stream they have been trained for...top effort on staff utilisation and optimisation...bet they taught that in the B Bus syllabus these nutters studied for.
not
Talk about short sightedness let alone inept management which ASA seems to be still full of. I mean the "wabbit" as a CEO not to mention the social drop kick clark in safety...please pass the bucket
I agree with previous post there will be more than a few failures and then the witch hunt as to why this process went pear shaped.
But when KM, GJ, the date king and co are involved what can one expect.
cheers
well like your ex TAAATS LOI, I have been told there were more suitable candidates.
Please forgive me here I am not bragging but dont understand what part of my resume below says not suitable or there are more suitable canidates.
I had spent over 17years in ASA and its predecessors on all the SY radar and procedural sectors (incl the then ARR N&S before the split), then a few yrs in BN and CG App/twr. Then left for time in the sandpit then off to the wilds of Nth America for another 2 yrs in Toronto ctr (CYYZ) working the busy north sectors and also working regional approach (for Sault St Marie and KCIW apts) and with the low airspace (which was part of the area rating) and working through the Sept 11 '01 saga then back to the sandpit for few months. then had a few years off to recover from sh*t treatment of all managements.
I can assure you the ex TAAATS LOI and myself and no doubt other applicants who have similiar CV's have been overlooked for other reasons rather than experience.
Has anyone bothered to speak to TFN (AKA Russel) I am sure the board would be interested.
But here is the rub, ASA in its usual infinite wisdom will hire others, like some of the Raafies (some of whom are bloody good controllers) and the OS applicants who may not be as experienced and only radar TMA and/or TWR rated and then proceed to stick them into a procedural enroute environment (llike they have with some raafies and OS people) and in some cases lose these people because they are out of the stream they have been trained for...top effort on staff utilisation and optimisation...bet they taught that in the B Bus syllabus these nutters studied for.
notTalk about short sightedness let alone inept management which ASA seems to be still full of. I mean the "wabbit" as a CEO not to mention the social drop kick clark in safety...please pass the bucket
I agree with previous post there will be more than a few failures and then the witch hunt as to why this process went pear shaped.
But when KM, GJ, the date king and co are involved what can one expect.
cheers
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PMS: Most, if not all, of the Global Search people will be placed in Enroute regardless of their experience and skill set. No, it doesn't make much sense to people coming in, but believe me, it makes a hell of a lot of sense to those already in AsA. The people coming in will backfill the enroute sectors so people who have been waiting years to take up the positions in TWRs and TCUs can finally be released. That's how bad the manning is.
This is, as far as I can tell, sticking with the spirit of informal agreement by management that this would be happening. If it does, hats off to them for keeping the staff a bit happier and making a decision not purely based on the almighty dollar.
Cheers,
NFR.
This is, as far as I can tell, sticking with the spirit of informal agreement by management that this would be happening. If it does, hats off to them for keeping the staff a bit happier and making a decision not purely based on the almighty dollar.
Cheers,
NFR.
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actually it is about the dollar
NFR, PMS, Quokka et al,
Actually there is another ex Oz controller that has been told the same thing...
My thoughts are that management do NOT want expat Aussies back, as they know what they are worth and will not bend over and take anything just to get the blue passport.
Interesting times ahead for those currently trying to get a pay rise in OZ.
I would be extremely happy to be proved incorrect, but sadly, with my 25+ years of experience I don't think that I will be.
Good luck to all those that have been deemed "suitable" and all the best with the training.
Actually there is another ex Oz controller that has been told the same thing...
My thoughts are that management do NOT want expat Aussies back, as they know what they are worth and will not bend over and take anything just to get the blue passport.
Interesting times ahead for those currently trying to get a pay rise in OZ.
I would be extremely happy to be proved incorrect, but sadly, with my 25+ years of experience I don't think that I will be.
Good luck to all those that have been deemed "suitable" and all the best with the training.