Aus Expats - would you go home (with poll)
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Aus Expats - would you go home
Have been reading with interest the goings on in Australia in regards to controller shortages and subsequent closures of airspace. So all you Aus expats out there - would you go home if AsA had a decent experienced controller program that paid accordingly?
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Barra, as stated on another thread, AsA have been hanging out the no vacancy sign.
The responses that several controllers have received recently has been luke-warm, to say the least.
The speculation as to why AsA is telling those applying that there are no vacancies has varied from:
- AsA is waiting for the new IR laws to kick in so that they can 'adjust' the terms of hire
- there are genuinely no places available (seems strange with all the TIBA going on)
- AsA is addicted to the policy of undermanning and filling the holes with OT to produce an overall cheaper labour bill (works fine as long as the staff play ball)
- they do not want to re-hire the individuals involved
Take your pick.
Either way, there are people trying to come back who are being told there are no jobs available, regardless of the T&C.
The responses that several controllers have received recently has been luke-warm, to say the least.
The speculation as to why AsA is telling those applying that there are no vacancies has varied from:
- AsA is waiting for the new IR laws to kick in so that they can 'adjust' the terms of hire
- there are genuinely no places available (seems strange with all the TIBA going on)
- AsA is addicted to the policy of undermanning and filling the holes with OT to produce an overall cheaper labour bill (works fine as long as the staff play ball)
- they do not want to re-hire the individuals involved
Take your pick.
Either way, there are people trying to come back who are being told there are no jobs available, regardless of the T&C.
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Barra....
Good to see you still kicking around mate!
Nowra Tower were advertising the other day, great spot for a bit of fishing and sailing, and the Ex Servo's do a good steak...
Drop a PM with your latest LOC.
Regards
The Fox
Nowra Tower were advertising the other day, great spot for a bit of fishing and sailing, and the Ex Servo's do a good steak...
Drop a PM with your latest LOC.
Regards
The Fox
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Tweety...
You need to check regularly at this link...
Defence Jobs
They have the Defence Civilian Jobs listed, will be assigned to 44 Wing when you browse through....
I am waiting for Darwin though....home sweet home!
Can't handle the cold after 8 years in the desert!
Good luck.
Defence Jobs
They have the Defence Civilian Jobs listed, will be assigned to 44 Wing when you browse through....
I am waiting for Darwin though....home sweet home!
Can't handle the cold after 8 years in the desert!
Good luck.
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G'day all.
Ferris I realise that AsA have hung out the 'no vacancy' sign - the idea of the thread is just to gauge if any of us would head home under the right conditions. I enquired and have had the same reponse that I am sure the rest of you guys have had. Seems ludicrous that with a few of us out here and willing (???) to come home under the right conditions - pay and recognition of previous experience, being foremost; that AsA continually denies that they have a problem.
Jerricho - what did you think of our new contract??
Fox3 - I am still here just south of the Arctic............ mmmmm Darwin - toss you for it (BTW thought you were a Katherine boy!!)
Better still they could hire us both - Mrs Barra and the fingerlings are heading home for a holiday in a few weeks while I am stuck here working.
Hoody should you read this; why not investigate what HR are telling people like us. If ML is that short why not PM us with an offer we can't refuse!!!
Ferris I realise that AsA have hung out the 'no vacancy' sign - the idea of the thread is just to gauge if any of us would head home under the right conditions. I enquired and have had the same reponse that I am sure the rest of you guys have had. Seems ludicrous that with a few of us out here and willing (???) to come home under the right conditions - pay and recognition of previous experience, being foremost; that AsA continually denies that they have a problem.
Jerricho - what did you think of our new contract??
Fox3 - I am still here just south of the Arctic............ mmmmm Darwin - toss you for it (BTW thought you were a Katherine boy!!)
Better still they could hire us both - Mrs Barra and the fingerlings are heading home for a holiday in a few weeks while I am stuck here working.
Hoody should you read this; why not investigate what HR are telling people like us. If ML is that short why not PM us with an offer we can't refuse!!!
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Hi all,
As far as Defence Civilian jobs go, just about everywhere has them now. Darwin is an interesting case though. Heard the following rumours:
1. There are a few contract civvie spots there, but I believe that 44WG in their tactical wisdom don't want to renew most of them. They want it to be all service folks there.
2. The sim supervisor there is a permenant civvie job. Rumour has it that it will become vacant in the near future.
3. There are two pay scales. One is the line controller and it pays ( I think) in the $50,000 range. The other is Executive Level 1, which are the supervisor and training officer types and this pays in the high $70,000 I think. Overtime and penalties are also payed where applicable.
Hope this is of some help.
NFR.
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As far as Defence Civilian jobs go, just about everywhere has them now. Darwin is an interesting case though. Heard the following rumours:
1. There are a few contract civvie spots there, but I believe that 44WG in their tactical wisdom don't want to renew most of them. They want it to be all service folks there.
2. The sim supervisor there is a permenant civvie job. Rumour has it that it will become vacant in the near future.
3. There are two pay scales. One is the line controller and it pays ( I think) in the $50,000 range. The other is Executive Level 1, which are the supervisor and training officer types and this pays in the high $70,000 I think. Overtime and penalties are also payed where applicable.
Hope this is of some help.
NFR.
Edited for spelling
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If the years of service over here, were recognised in the increment you returned on, I would consider it, but it would have to be mighty attractive to lure me back. Right now though, the beer is cold here, and weather is beautiful one day and perfect the next, so at the moment thanks but no thanks.
Also don't think I could put up with the continuous Certified Agreement negotiation crap again. Also having heard who some of the managers are these days, scares me.
But if they are badly understaffed I would have thought they would look on Aussie Expat ATC's as a blessing rather than a burden, and lure them back, so as to gain from their skills they have learned all over the world.
Also don't think I could put up with the continuous Certified Agreement negotiation crap again. Also having heard who some of the managers are these days, scares me.
But if they are badly understaffed I would have thought they would look on Aussie Expat ATC's as a blessing rather than a burden, and lure them back, so as to gain from their skills they have learned all over the world.
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"Training Solutions" pitch on it is that with the TAAATS catchup training, it's just as cheap to do an abinitio.....go figure!
I guess with TAAATS doing such a good job, monkeys can monitor the alarms. A couple of decades of Oz and international experience count for zip ;-)
I guess with TAAATS doing such a good job, monkeys can monitor the alarms. A couple of decades of Oz and international experience count for zip ;-)
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I don't know about the rest of the guys around the world, but most have previously worked with TAAATS, so the bridging course required to catchup, would be extremely short, surely no more than a couple of weeks. In contrast to this requirement, you are employing ATC'ers who have been exposed to traffic levels far in excess of anything you would see in Australia, and exposure to situations (eg. constant U.S aircraft carrier ops, and fighter/refueller ops.) that guys would never get in Oz. This must be a huge asset for ASA into the future.
Instead of this option, they go the ab-initio route, and spend a year and a half (and around 300 to 400 thosand dollars) training someone, who even if they check out will take years (if ever) to gain similar knowledge and experience to the expats.
Seems like a no-brainer.
Instead of this option, they go the ab-initio route, and spend a year and a half (and around 300 to 400 thosand dollars) training someone, who even if they check out will take years (if ever) to gain similar knowledge and experience to the expats.
Seems like a no-brainer.
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I agree with you totally, it is a no brainer. I know guys who have spent time in ME and/or Canada, Europe and elsewhere and have experience way beyond that of most Oz ATC's and that is probably a frightening thought for the less than able management types.
However, as in the serco thread, the ASA management are really no different to the Serco lot are they. All they are worried about is the size of their bonuses, and usually it is the staff that carry the can for this. remember ASA's catchcry "AFFORDABLE SAFETY" hire them young because they are cheaper (easier to make budget and get bigger bonus) and less likely to cause problems to management, and when they get older and wiser find a way to p.ss them off.
They all must have gone through the same X-ray machine, makes you wonder doesn't.
reality is that neither will ever get it until there is a big midair and then the sh.t will really hit the fan, remember CG disaster....one has never seen radar installed so fast and staff procured out of nowhere.
till next time
I agree with you totally, it is a no brainer. I know guys who have spent time in ME and/or Canada, Europe and elsewhere and have experience way beyond that of most Oz ATC's and that is probably a frightening thought for the less than able management types.
However, as in the serco thread, the ASA management are really no different to the Serco lot are they. All they are worried about is the size of their bonuses, and usually it is the staff that carry the can for this. remember ASA's catchcry "AFFORDABLE SAFETY" hire them young because they are cheaper (easier to make budget and get bigger bonus) and less likely to cause problems to management, and when they get older and wiser find a way to p.ss them off.
They all must have gone through the same X-ray machine, makes you wonder doesn't.
reality is that neither will ever get it until there is a big midair and then the sh.t will really hit the fan, remember CG disaster....one has never seen radar installed so fast and staff procured out of nowhere.
till next time
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I'm sure BT would love to catch-up with PK! LOL!!!
I don't understand the psych of ASA controllers. If you don't want to work on your rostered day off - then DON'T. It's quite simple. If you do then I am guessing they are the one's not complaining.
The problem appears to be that there is more than enough controllers willing to work constant extra hours, have little in the way of a social life, give half of their earnings to the government and keep ASA management operating with a bare bones roster in some cases, which is a time bomb that will go off eventually where two airplanes will come together because of controller fatigue after working so many extra shifts he/she doesn't know what day it is!
Oh yeah, and I bet somewhere in the contract it says it is the responsibility of the controller to identify and acknowledge when they are not fit for duty!
Maybe the union is too weak to handle the might of ASA upper management!!!
I don't understand the psych of ASA controllers. If you don't want to work on your rostered day off - then DON'T. It's quite simple. If you do then I am guessing they are the one's not complaining.
The problem appears to be that there is more than enough controllers willing to work constant extra hours, have little in the way of a social life, give half of their earnings to the government and keep ASA management operating with a bare bones roster in some cases, which is a time bomb that will go off eventually where two airplanes will come together because of controller fatigue after working so many extra shifts he/she doesn't know what day it is!
Oh yeah, and I bet somewhere in the contract it says it is the responsibility of the controller to identify and acknowledge when they are not fit for duty!
Maybe the union is too weak to handle the might of ASA upper management!!!
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If memory serves me correctly the attitude towards rehiring those who chose to leave the fold for greener (or especially sandier) pastures has been the same since the early 70's. Very few have been welcomed back with open arms.