Has anyone seen this??? :o Serco to bail out NATS?
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Has anyone seen this??? :o Serco to bail out NATS?
<a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=250795" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.u k/business/news/story.jsp?story=250795</a>. .. .oh s**t. . . . <small>[ 03 March 2002, 19:33: Message edited by: Bev Bevan ]</small>
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That should finally 'FIX' us! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 03 March 2002, 20:09: Message edited by: Sector8 Dear ]</small>
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How many newspaper stories haven't had an element of truth however sensationalised?. .. .I suppose Serco haven't suffered from Sept 11th at all?. .. .Oh well, the union always said it was keeping it's powder dry. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
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SERCO - A company which has few material assets, but is very lean and efficient in terms of it's company wide contracts.. .It never bids at a loss, and never makes a loss on any contract - the company contracting it's services always pays for every ounce of flesh that SERCo puts in, regardless of if it's hospital portering or atc.. .I'm not an employe of SERCO, nor an apologist for some of the methods they've previously used, but given this situation, is it any suprise that SERCO can get the cooperation of financial institutions.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> :rolleyes. .I think not:
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Unfortunately this seems to be far from a joke; our GM was overheard saying that the story in the Independent (and today's Guardian) was rather closer to home than NATS management would have liked "at this stage"....
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Hey chaps you have to be philosophical about this and just accept that if rape is inevitable you may as well lie back and enjoy it.!!!. .. .Who knows you may just find out that Serco gives quite a good performance.
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Niteflite, your precious skies have already been sold, doh! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .Serco has a comprehensive and robust safety assurance organisation led by a Director who has been involved in civil aviation for over 35 years - most recently as a UK CAA Safety Regulation Officer. Serco meets – and generally exceeds – the national safety requirement, and monitors and introduces best practice from the ICAO and other international regulatory organisations through its Aviation Safety Oversight Group. As a result, they have an excellent record in delivering safe aviation services.. .. .If AG need a little added support, then Serco just might be able to help out.. .. .Let's face it, if the indoor plants at LACC are now going without their water supplies, this would suggest that some assistance is required. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 05 March 2002, 13:17: Message edited by: Legs11 ]</small>
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It's happening:. .. .<a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=270965" target="_blank">http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=270965</a>. .. . <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/story.jsp?story=270965" target="_blank">web page</a>
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Of course they want to bail us out. They want the ATC business pure and simple. It does not mean that they will be allowed to do so - nor should they. We have just been 'bailed out' to the tune of £60m so why on earth do we need a bunch of puddle jumpers and hospital gardners? We do not!. .. .Anyone in management - NATS - Serco or government should also remember our strike threat if Serco even get the contract to cut the flowers at Nerc - I am on the gate. Anyone want to join me? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />
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legs 11. .well said. .. .Great Unmanaged. .I'm sure your monica is no slur or pun intended on who you work for.. .As regards Serco the way I see it is the staff work hard, loyal to the company and have great support from management. Glad you think the present PPP is working so well for you and can't be improved. Serco are going forward - can you say the same.
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Forward! Where to for gods sake? Doncaster International? Sheffield hub?. .. .September 11 had a major affect on major ATS suppliers. I doubt it had such a major affect on Serco...due to the ATC contracts it 'provides'. I have looked at Serco, I do not like the way it does business and will strike if they even get a sniff at NATS. I had another job lined up just in case - after 27 years in aviation I will leave NATS gladly rather than work for Serco. Personnaly, I would not want them staining my CV!. .. .NATS will pick up - the traffic numbers are well up and will improve still more. BA today said that their own traffic numbers are up again. NATS makes a great deal from large aircraft over long distances and was bound to take a mega hit following 911. Not so Serco but C150's and GA7's are not what we are about. 2,000,000 movements last year and 3,000,000 in ten years time. That millions - not thousands.. .. .What would Serco - in the ATC major league for the first time ever - have done on 912? Sack everyone that's what! Now it would be completely stuffed as all the brains would have gone and the phrase 'up ***t creek without a paddle (again) comes to mind.. .. .If you are happy with them then its good for you - we don't want or need amateurs.
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Great Unmanaged. .maybe you should get your CV sent out again. Scary attitude about the professionalism of other controllers and by the way good business management keeps us all employed and hires new YOUNG blood.
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Great Unmanaged. .. .Lots of rhetoric - no facts at all. Just out of interest would you like to back up what you say with some reality or do you get off on screaming doom and despondency from the rooftops.. .. .As for your attitude to GA "C150's are not what NATS is about" then maybe you should get a reality check and learn that there is a life outside of CAS and NATS, where the world ticks along without slot delays (and we're not just talking C150's here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ). Thanks to NATS inability to introduce NERC at full capacity who do you think have had to take the delayed traffic, who aren't prepared to wait, off airways, in an environment much more risky than your nice controlled one.. .. .Come on - whatever your attitude to whoevers name may end up appearing on your pay statement at the end of the month there are those out there employed by others (not just SERCO but the independent regionals) who cope with downturns in business and emergencies and are regulated in exactly the same way as your beloved NATS. Your slagging off of the company and so your insinuation that the people employed by them are somehow second class is pretty insulting.. .. .Put up or shut up springs to mind? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> . .. .CM. . . . <small>[ 05 March 2002, 19:15: Message edited by: Chilli Monster ]</small>
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SERCO are only after 1 thing, and have been from day 1, and that is the airports side of NATS, which still makes a profit. They can smell a bargain, and NATS might be willing to sell to reduce their borrowing. . .With the airports side it gives them the reputation and kudos to go and win the big contracts. However, because of monopoly restrictions they will be forced to break up the new business by selling on much of the old side. . .So the people making most of the noise about how good SERCO are will be having new employers as well. And which side has the industrial muscle to defend their terms and conditions the best?
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I worked for SERCO for about 2 years, some 13 years ago. There is no justification for any suggestion that their shop floor workers are anything less than competent, decent people.. .. .However, in my experience it would be fair to say that the ethos of the company's management was most undesireable and completely unsuitable for an organisation such as NATS. It is bad enough to expose the lives of the GA fraternity through the low cost, under-funded style that I experienced in the UK but to bring that ethos into NATS would be unimaginably dangerous and we were right to say so in the ballot. In my experience SERCO cut corners on safety and they always tried to stop me talking about it.. .. .I was relieved to leave them and I would be a worried man if they were to become involved with NATS.. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
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selma soul. .what will be will be. Morale in Serco though is very high at all levels - can others say the same? From what I see from the bulletin board non-existant carping from Serco employees, lots from everyone else. . .. .120.4. .well thanks for para 1, competent, decent and very professional too.. .Couldn't comment on your experience 13 years ago but Serco has put safety as its highest priority for quite some time.
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13 years ago you may well have had a bad experience. But it is my belief that Serco are a different and much improved company, fighting against an old and unjustified reputation.. .. .NATS/AG has now found out what it is like out in the real world, where it is no longer the cash cow that it once was and cannot (except for the small exception of £30m) expect to be financially backed by the state. It's not so easy when you have to pay for things and make ends meet, as I'm sure most of you would agree. Well such is the way of life now for NATS/AG <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> . .. .Getting back to the topic however, I was interested to read that the serco exec chairman said "there is absolutely no question of us buying the business". I wonder which airfields "involved in helping Nats" includes? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />