Has anyone seen this??? :o Serco to bail out NATS?
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RogerOut: Please clarify exactly who you mean by "WE".. .. .I for one do not wish to be associated with your comments re Serco. They can't possibly be any worse than our current management; also some of our gravy-train practices could do with a healthy dose of Sercoization.
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Just a small point.. .. .Aren't the airports MAKING money, whereas En - Route is currently MAKING A LOSS.. .. .I'm not trying to play one off against the other, as I'm not really sure whether I'm Airports or Area. I do, however know that I'm offshore!
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Cuddles, you are - as always - quite correct. NSL is (and as far as I am aware always has been) fully solvent.. .. .Ask yourself this; if the situation were reversed, would NERL be told not to buy any more paper clips?. .. .(I notice btw that you can get Anglia TV now on Sky Digital; I'm not sure if that or Grampian counts as your local news!)
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1261 There's a good reason why NSL is solvent. People like thee and me on T&D for 2 yrs after validation.. .. .What would NERL do without paperclips to fashion rudimentary mascots with? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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Great Unmanaged, Rogerout. .. .I have read this forum in amazement. You are so ill informed it is untrue. A collegue of mine worked with some senior controllres and managers within NATS and said he had never worked with such a difficult bunch of people. The tantrum and footstomping over SERCO is completely unjustified. The reason that NATS is in such trouble is nothing to do with Sept 11, it has been caused by the obstinate, cynical, unco-operative attitudes of people like you, who threaten to strike the first minute there is a hint of change. Stop using the word 'We', because I know many many controllers out there who think you are talking B******s and frankly, NATS would do just fine without you. I do not doubt your professional contribution to aviation, but there is no room your bitter and twisted attitude. People don't want it.. .. .'Attitudes are contagious - is yours worth catching?' - I don't think so!
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Tigs.. .. .Boy do you have a lot to learn. During the bidding for NATS 99% of NATS STAFF - not just controllers - voted for strike action if SERCO got a look in. You may well find that is still the case. Anyway, it is for me and I have a right to say so. If you don't like it well here is my concerned face! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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Shame the NATS kiddies don't learn that one day they won't get their teddies given back to them if they keep throwing them out of the cot <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Still, shows why the Aussies call Brits whingeing Poms. .. .Great Unmanaged. .. .Suggest you re-read my previous post about slot delays where you seem to think I was inferring airfields were getting good slots and NATS were to be thanked - English comprehension not one of your strong points I take it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .CM
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G'day sport. Bonza! Thanks for the 'English' lesson. Pass a tinny..... .. .That tips it all. An English lesson from A Serco colonial. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .Time for the pub I think.
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Tigs,. .. .Your post is probably closer to home than you realize!. .. .A collegue of mine who used to work for Serco referred to NATS as a "1950s, tweed-jacket, pipe-smoking, Bakelite-style" organization. So why did he come to work for us? He did half as much work for twice as much money. Simple as that. His opinion of operational management was that "....they were certainly no worse, and in a lot of ways better...." than NATS. . .. .Of course, I'd have to be stupid to want to do twice as much work for the same money - but I'd be equally stupid to bury my head in the sand and resist changes at all costs. The situation need sorting out in NATS, and the sooner the better. If the best way do do it to sell NSL to Serco, then so be it.. .. .And Legs 11, I'm not trying to wind up the area guys; you do a difficult job under difficult conditions (sincerely!), but I've come to the conclusion over the past eighteen-or-so months that we'd be better served by working for different companies, as our needs are - these days - so different. NSL staff have far more in common (and in common interest) with airport controllers at Newcastle, East Midlands, Liverpool, etc., than we do with controllers at ACCs.. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 13:16: Message edited by: 1261 ]</small>
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You would think that if 99% of NATS staff were threatening strike action if Serco " got a look in" Serco being the company that puts safety first and never the contents of shareholders pockets, they would step down and away from Nats in order to maintain a safe, orderly and expeditious flow of air traffic within Uk airspace by ensuring that the aforementioned 99% remained in their posts doing what the majority of them do best, which is, I hear you ask, no no! not slagging off Serco but actually moving aluminium from A to B without having to consider how many Euros/GBP it cost to do it.. .. .When I said turn right you should have known I mean't left. . . . <small>[ 20 March 2002, 07:31: Message edited by: 939 ]</small>
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Serco.
Serco will never have anything to do with NATS simply because NATS staff know exactly what they are about. Detiorating working conditions and crap salaries. Yes, I know people, ATCO's who have been very poorly treated by serco
