Etihad Cadet Pilot Programme [Archive] - Page 5

DenizD

16th Aug 2008, 18:51

I want to make a list to see how many people can be expected in NY.
so far from NY

ZaaZoo (it doesn''t look like he'll be able to come)
Bradda G
DenizD
nomee747
Dubble_Bubble
Skhan11
MJetR
freeze3192
mohamed farah

I may I don't have your name aboce and you will be in NY for the assessments on the 25th just copy the list add your name, and repost (to keep it current). Maybe we should add our first names since we're best friends now.

I see only 9 people their could be more (not everyone uses pprune). BUt I think if there is anyone from Etihad watching they should skip the assessments and just put us 9 through :) Hey, I'm just trying to make it easier for them lol

As far as studying goes, I've buried myself in numbers. I was watching Olympic basketball this morning (spain vs USA), and I found myself automatically adding and subtracting the numbers on the jerseys! And this was right after I woke up!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Spaniards + basketball=not so much (crap I can't stop the math stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

JGerke

16th Aug 2008, 22:18

DenizD

16th Aug 2008, 23:09

Im pretty sure thats what we all have been doing. I have a funny story though. I took a personality test and whenever questions related about the importance of making a lot of money I always selected 'not important' (I was serious because I think flying for money is the greatest thing since Top Gear and sliced bread). So at the end of the test it said something like 'you are the ultimate sales person but your love for money will hinder your job performance'. Could you imagine that bull crap:ugh:

I want some taco bell right now but Zaazoo's got the car.....I hope they have a taco bell in the UAE

BTW this is the most hilarious picture I have found on my journey throught the interwebs.........

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2595375755_5a368a4eba.jpg?v=0

nomee747

17th Aug 2008, 00:14

Hello All,
I'm glad to see all of you preparing for the assessment.

SO far, in my opinion it is evident that the first day will be of tests... however would like ya'll to confirm..?

I hope they would not have tests, that consists of joystick and all..

I am using my previous GMAT text to practice math questions...

Marlim:
Would you be having any more websites that offer free sample tests...? And could advise , from where were you able to purchase the phsyc. tests texbooks...

Take care and wish everyone, the VERY BEST OF LUCK!!!!!

coral reef

17th Aug 2008, 00:19

Hi everyone

I have also received the NYC invitation for Aug 25th.
However, like everyone else, i have yet to receive a followup email from Etihad confirming time and exact location.

I just joined PPRune to see if anyone is in the same situation, and am slightly more comfortable to know that I'm not alone!

Btw, i'm from Ottawa as well, MJetR

DenizD

17th Aug 2008, 01:46

Updated List (11)

asimrc
Bradda G
DenizD
Dubble_Bubble
freeze3192
JGerke
MjetR
mohamed farah
nomee747
Skhan11
ZaaZoo (it doesn''t look like he'll be able to come)

Narayan

17th Aug 2008, 05:00

Well i got an email from them about the 25th date i replied a couple days latter but still haven't heard a reply with the details, I'm a bit worried as its in about a week. Anyway I'm waiting with you guys, and I have to say this forum is good because i want information but this is more cutthroat than what I'm used to. Ive been on the air traffic control forums for a while but i guess its a civil service job so no one cares that much about competition. Anyways for you guys who don't get in that are us citizens consider looking in to air traffic control, they are hiring right of the street for those guys all you have to do is fill out the app and take the test (not that hard of a test). Good luck.

malirm

17th Aug 2008, 12:15

@ nomee747

I always buy my books from Amazon.com...although I'm in the UAE...I can save over $12 per purchase (compared to the prices here) including the shipping costs from USA to UAE.

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I had to delete my previous post...as I have recieved a lots of PMs about removing it...the messages were convincing...:ugh:

TC

dreamis2fly

17th Aug 2008, 13:13

hey

does anyone know if the first class of 12 started training , they were supposed to start in july ( i was told on the abu dhabi assessment )

feras23

17th Aug 2008, 20:34

hey guys,

just wanted to knw, wats the avg time taken by etihad to get back to ur initial applications for the cadet pilot program? ive been sifting thru the forum and i see it takes abt a month , is that right?

is there like an upper limit to the qualifications an applicant can have? i see that a bunch of people have been given invitations for the JFK assessment must be pretty exciting huh.. good luck guys.

Bradda G

17th Aug 2008, 20:45

Welcome feras23!

The reply from EY depends on when and where you apply. I heard from them within 3 weeeks of my application. Some folks here had to wait a while due to the assessment schedules and the time of their application.

As for upper tier quals...I don't think they are any restrications (non flying that is). In addition, this round is about being assessed i.e. aptitude test. I am not sure if they look at your CV in detail at this stage of the game.

I could be wrong tho'...:ugh:

Cheers,
Bradda G
:ok:

skhan11

17th Aug 2008, 21:20

I have to correct you guys on that one. There are flying restrictions. Seeing as how this is an ab initio program (flight training from scratch) NO individual will be considered with a CPL or above. Any persons carrying a CPL will NOT be considered for this program as they would be deemed over-qualified.

S Khan

ZaaZoo

17th Aug 2008, 21:33

if only people read the thread before posting......

feras23

17th Aug 2008, 23:31

thanks for the real quick reply guys. i applied on the 5th of Aug. kinda late? ive got my multi-PPL with instrument ratings. im guessin thats puttin me over the mark right? but ive heard no matter wat u start from the basic ppl cauz the requirements (flight time and type and all that) are totally different over there....

thanks guys.
Feras23

Bradda G

17th Aug 2008, 23:57

skahn

[qoute] "I have to correct you guys on that one. There are flying restrictions. Seeing as how this is an ab initio program (flight training from scratch) NO individual will be considered with a CPL or above. Any persons carrying a CPL will NOT be considered for this program as they would be deemed over-qualified." [qoute]

Read my post again

"...As for upper tier quals...I don't think they are any restrications (non flying that is)..."

- Bradda G

mohamed farah

18th Aug 2008, 00:34

Let me get this str8... none of us in North America have yet recieved confirmation about the details and times.... so is everyone going to still go to New York... I mean what is the sense of going to New York if we don't know where to go and if Etihad hasn't sent the details what makes anyone think that they will be still conducting the assessments on the 25th... it will probably be a big waste of money...

Narayan

18th Aug 2008, 00:49

I haven't gotten a reply yet but i don't know if anyone else has, I guess Ill probably just greyhound it if I get my reply like 2 days prior. Fortunately I still have some friends who live in the city that i can crash with.

skhan11

18th Aug 2008, 00:54

Hey buddy, in that case, my apologies for mis-interpreting what you said.

As for Mohamed.. No one has received a '2nd email' for the NA assessments. We are all in the same boat, so we'll just have to wait and see. As for the 25th, they WILL happen on the 25th. Otherwise I will have spent a lot of money JUST to see New York! (Hopefully that would not be the case)...

Say, if anyone is going there for the first time, who did not see the city before, we should meet up after the assessment for sure to check it out. Times Square and all, I heard it's thee place to see. Never been, but looking forward to checking it out!

nomee747

18th Aug 2008, 01:19

Any websites with bunch of aptitude tests ????

DenizD

18th Aug 2008, 02:09

what makes anyone think that they will be still conducting the assessments on the 25th... it will probably be a big waste of money...I don't think your gonna get people to give up that easy!

Any websites with bunch of aptitude tests ????Google it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should start posting pictures of ourselves!!!! I'll start let me find some good ones......

Some of the last planes I flew, and yes the mechanic is small enough to fit in forward cargo compartment

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8282/img0433nt8.jpg

http://forums.jetcareers.com/attachments/pictures-from-the-road/4977d1203458862-some-pictures-1.jpg

DenizD

18th Aug 2008, 02:55

These pictures were taken by my brother (ZaaZoo) and a friend of ours from a flight to New Jersey from my home airport in NY...enjoy...& post some of yours!

Me doing a preflight
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4817/91316042wo8.jpg

In cruise over New Jersey
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6296/28462525gy1.jpg

My friend Tim as co-pilot
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1179/24682293vq1.jpg

Banking over the scenery
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2355/62610618up0.jpg

On final...I love how this airport is nestled in the tress
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5030/75173911fa8.jpg

Short Final
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2656/83064792uu3.jpg

Taxiing In
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3351/79291140xy9.jpg

Okay, so originally our purpose for going to this airport was to eat at the restaurant which is right by the runway.......
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/358/10wg4.jpg

...but it was closed so we got some sodas and snacks form the bar around the corner from the restaurant....but while we waited for the bartender to fry up our chicken wings I told Jon my bro and Tim my friend to walk up to the side of the runway and I would do a little air show for them....the result a low pass that resulted in a steep climb, a russian pilot in the area saw it and while on the unicom freq he said "hey man very nice takeoff". I felt so cool until I had to drop the nose in order to get my airspeed back, it felt like i was pushing -.5 g's, I tinkled a little bit as a result, just a little.....
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1840/18083586tn5.jpg

Showing off the G1000
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2222/12th0.jpg

Climbout
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4341/13bp1.jpg

Approaching KJFK (upper left hand side of the pic, with Floyd Bennet field directly under the nose)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6076/14sv4.jpg

The city off to the left
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2447/15wn3.jpg

Me turning to the right direct to KFRG
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5434/16da7.jpg

Landing of runway 19 at KFRG, I fly at night whenever I can it's awesome!!!!!
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6480/17cl5.jpg

Post yours

Bradda G

18th Aug 2008, 03:43

Hmmm...I see you fly with GCA. I used to work the line with Sheltair (supervisor). I know all the tail numbers in the pics. Towed and fueled all of 'em...:)

Cheers bro'!:ok:

DenizD

18th Aug 2008, 04:14

I used to work there (GCA), got all my skillz from dare bradda. I rolled both of the DA20's. Pieces of crap. Hey do you know 827RD and 60ER I fly those too

dubble_dubble

18th Aug 2008, 15:28

wow check this out, straight from etihad careers website:

Cadet Pilot Programme Administrator http://careers.etihadairways.com/ehire/english/images/btnPrint.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:showPopup('jobpopup.aspx?JOB_ID=1556',650,650);)http://careers.etihadairways.com/ehire/english/images/btnEmail.gif (http://careers.etihadairways.com/ehire/english/careers/jobDetails.aspx#)http://careers.etihadairways.com/ehire/english/images/btnBack.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:history.go(-1);)Department:Flight OperationLocation:Abu DhabiExpiry Date:31/08/2008Description: Job Role:
This position provides a comprehensive support service to more than 1000 applications which will be segregated and filtered to achieve 24 cadets per year.
This position is accountable to the Head of UAE cadet pilot program and EVPO Operations/Accountable Manager who is accountable for 24 cadet pilot per year.
Key accountabilities will include but will not be limited to the following:
Perform administrative support tasks for one or more key in Operations. And national pilots requirement
Focal point for main operational concerns internally and externally;
Responsible for applications for required Operational approvals, amendments and extensions;
Responsible for dissemination of Operational approvals within Etihad (including outstations), local and foreign authorities (Government bodies);
Liaise with Government bodies (Local) for regulatory matters;
Review all cadet pilots applications requiring action by staff or other organizations and follow up ensuring actions are completed, reply as appropriate;
Administer (cadet pilots records and applications);
Broad range of complex responsibilities involving confidential or technical information;
=====================================================

Who was saying 4 x 12 = 48 intakes for 2009?? :ugh: Because according to this job description, the intake has decreased a good 50%:eek:

dubble_dubble

18th Aug 2008, 15:31

and god dammit its Monday the 18th, T-7 days to assessment and no 2nd email:}

The Euros got the 1st email approx. a month before the test dates and the 2nd email a few days later leaving them more than enough time to plan and prepare for thier trip

adriaairways

18th Aug 2008, 16:46

Still no news about the second phase for us European guys:confused:.

What are they waiting for? I don't believe there will be the first screening at the end of the month.

skhan11

18th Aug 2008, 16:46

"cadets per year.
This position is accountable to the Head of UAE cadet pilot program and EVPO Operations/Accountable Manager who is accountable for 24 cadet pilot per year."

Though I am not sure of this, I think it is exactly what it says... Accountable for UAE cadet pilot program, NOT the International cadet pilot program!

As for the second email, still haven't received it yet. But it's not all that bad. We know that we are invited for the assessment, we know it will be in New York on the 25th of August, it is probably fair to assume it will be at a near by hotel close to JFK. So just book your tickets, and be there for the 25th. If you are there on the 24th then just cab it to the interview place on the morning of the 25th. I am pretty confident they will let you know by the 24th anyway. So, no worries guys.

DenizD

18th Aug 2008, 18:16

hey skhan don't forget that the program was originally for those UAE nationals however it has been extended to the rest of the world (you, me and bradda g) This person would take care of all the cadets. There is one program.

Awesome idea...if we don't make it we should all apply to the position and send each other through (I can't stop laughing while I type that, because I know someone from Etihad is gonna see it)

These pictures were taken by my brother (ZaaZoo) and a friend of ours from a flight to New Jersey from my home airport in NY...enjoy...& post some of yours!

Me doing a preflight
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4817/91316042wo8.jpg

In cruise over New Jersey
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6296/28462525gy1.jpg

My friend Tim as co-pilot
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1179/24682293vq1.jpg

Banking over the scenery
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2355/62610618up0.jpg

On final...I love how this airport is nestled in the tress
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5030/75173911fa8.jpg

Short Final
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2656/83064792uu3.jpg

Taxiing In
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3351/79291140xy9.jpg

Okay, so originally our purpose for going to this airport was to eat at the restaurant which is right by the runway.......
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/358/10wg4.jpg

...but it was closed so we got some sodas and snacks form the bar around the corner from the restaurant....but while we waited for the bartender to fry up our chicken wings I told Jon my bro and Tim my friend to walk up to the side of the runway and I would do a little air show for them....the result a low pass that resulted in a steep climb, a russian pilot in the area saw it and while on the unicom freq he said "hey man very nice takeoff". I felt so cool until I had to drop the nose in order to get my airspeed back, it felt like i was pushing -.5 g's, I tinkled a little bit as a result, just a little.....
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1840/18083586tn5.jpg

Showing off the G1000
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2222/12th0.jpg

Climbout
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4341/13bp1.jpg

Approaching KJFK (upper left hand side of the pic, with Floyd Bennet field directly under the nose)
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6076/14sv4.jpg

The city off to the left
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2447/15wn3.jpg

Me turning to the right direct to KFRG
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5434/16da7.jpg

Landing of runway 19 at KFRG, I fly at night whenever I can it's awesome!!!!!
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6480/17cl5.jpg

Post yours

dubble_dubble

18th Aug 2008, 18:24

just recieved 2nd email thanking me for my patience and that venue details will be sent to me shortly!

anybody else?

mohamed farah

18th Aug 2008, 18:26

I just recieved an email and the NYC assessment is looking good. Etihad is just waiting on confirmation for the hotel, they said they will be sending details on the venue very soon.... see you all in NYC.... and whoever lives near Toronto we can roll together so let me know....

nomee747

18th Aug 2008, 18:27

Ok, have received second email from ey, advising that they are waiting for the hotel confirmation, and will advise as soon as the venue is set.

freeze3192

18th Aug 2008, 19:10

DenizD, I remember those pics from somewhere. Do you post on JC?

leyahl

18th Aug 2008, 21:48

For us EU guys, has anyone had a good speculate as to whether there is an advantage to choosing the august or oct/nov second stage assessment? Seeing as the results of the US tests won't have been processed by the end of this month, there could potentially be less competition in the August tests. Any thoughts or anyone in "the know"?

Bradda G

18th Aug 2008, 21:53

mohamed farah

18th Aug 2008, 23:35

Did you get the confirmation email with the details on the time and location for Aug 25 or just the same email we all got...

dubble_dubble

19th Aug 2008, 00:33

no i think he just got the same one we got!

But what the scary thing is, what if we get a confirmation email with a different date? Ie Sunday the 24th instead of the 25th:confused:

That would ultimately suck.

DenizD

19th Aug 2008, 00:36

Got the confirmation e-mail. AWESOME!!!!

Hey D,

Not familiar with the fins you mentioned. How long have u been at GCA? I was on working the line from April '04 -July '07. We probably have met before...

I used to come up and chat with Hannah occasionally. http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif

Yeah we probably have met, I've been there since '06 I don't work there anymore for a couple of reasons.

DenizD, I remember those pics from somewhere. Do you post on JC?

Yeah my username is -=Deniz=-

Narayan

19th Aug 2008, 01:00

Is anyone just a little suspicious of this whole thing, im only asking because with all the pilot lay offs, the tax free perks of living in dubai, ect why would they need to train us. I mean I understand why the nationals get this program but for us, is anyone just a little worried about this whole thing?

Matt101

19th Aug 2008, 01:24

wow check this out, straight from etihad careers website:

Cadet Pilot Programme Administrator Department:Flight OperationLocation:Abu DhabiExpiry Date:31/08/2008Description: Job Role:
This position provides a comprehensive support service to more than 1000 applications which will be segregated and filtered to achieve 24 cadets per year.
This position is accountable to the Head of UAE cadet pilot program and EVPO Operations/Accountable Manager who is accountable for 24 cadet pilot per year.
Key accountabilities will include but will not be limited to the following:
Perform administrative support tasks for one or more key in Operations. And national pilots requirement
Focal point for main operational concerns internally and externally;
Responsible for applications for required Operational approvals, amendments and extensions;
Responsible for dissemination of Operational approvals within Etihad (including outstations), local and foreign authorities (Government bodies);
Liaise with Government bodies (Local) for regulatory matters;
Review all cadet pilots applications requiring action by staff or other organizations and follow up ensuring actions are completed, reply as appropriate;
Administer (cadet pilots records and applications);
Broad range of complex responsibilities involving confidential or technical information;
================================================== ===

Who was saying 4 x 12 = 48 intakes for 2009?? Because according to this job description, the intake has decreased a good 50%

As someone has already said it does seem to refer to the rolling UAE programme.

The 4 courses for next year and the excess places on a November course this year was straight from the horse's mouth at the EU assessment days. They also mentioned that if anything the requirement would increase.

Moreover this application says 24 per year - which indicates a rolling programme so if it were to refer to the Worldwide cadet programme it would in effect be an increase in the availability of courses.

Etihad has just put in one of the biggest ever orders for Aircraft - it would seem unlikely that they would be looking to cut any recruitment plans at this stage at least.

Plus I think it best we don't worry too much about what they might be planning and just hope for the best in getting the places that are available - this is a fantastic opportunity and was always going to be competitive anyway.

Good luck to everyone.

DenizD

19th Aug 2008, 02:01

Those orders will be delivered between 2013-2020. A whiles away

121ace

19th Aug 2008, 11:42

For any of the guys from europe, I put Oct/Nov as my preferred time for the second stage. Has anyone who put August down received a confirmation and a date for the second stage yet?

fredduciel

19th Aug 2008, 14:21

Hi 121ace ,
nope , I wrote I am ready for august but I don't have any new since the little missunderstanding of last week and it sounds we are quite some people like that. I don't know how is it for you guys but I live with a bag packed close to the door of my flat... for the end of august this gonna be a very hot scramble ! checking the emails twice a day, good luck for everybody travelling to JFK and good patience for the europeans !
nice day to everybody !

fred

Matt101

19th Aug 2008, 14:53

Those orders will be delivered between 2013-2020. A whiles away

Yep but since we'd not be coming out of the school for a coupla years then all of Etihad's own training seems like a good bet.

EYZ

19th Aug 2008, 17:28

I would not put too much faith in the 24 cadets per year, its does not sound right in any way, in fact I would go as far as to say its not correct, I would believe what you heard in EU.

As for those of you waiting for the US, I have heard you will have it confirmed on Wednesday. How many do you think will come, It takes in Canada, the US, South America and all places in between doesnt it?

Those waiting for the EU round 2 from my understanding is do not panic would be best advice, if its not until Sept it would be for a good reason and not just to make you stress more!!

Stay calm!!:ok:

Narayan

19th Aug 2008, 19:55

Ok ive been to the UAE before and i know how these guys operate and if there were a thousand applications from uae nationals they would not be putting us ahead of them. Second this makes no damn sense to me why they would do this there are enough pilots who have been through training that why the hell do they need us. I mean seriously.

stonyisland

19th Aug 2008, 20:08

This morning I visited the Etihad road show at its stop in Chicago to talk to anyone remotely associated with the cadet program, and of course no one there was. I know that the point of these recruitment events is to attract current airline FO's and CA's but I would've kicked myself if I didn't at least make an effort to try and speak to someone at Etihad. And boy did I feel out of place in a room full of pilots old enough to be my father, all asking me what airline I flew for, what I was type rated in lol. The nice lady who I met with did know the guy (she said his name, but I forgot it) that will be in NY with the cadet program but she didn't know any info on further stages, amount of cadets that will be selected, etc. She did advise me to practice my math though. Even more surprising, she told me that another guy visited her yesterday looking for the same information. If anyone posting on these boards is from the Chicago area, PM me.

Bradda G

19th Aug 2008, 21:18

:hmm: You know, I thought about going to the roadshow last week in Jamaica but couldn't make it due to company commitments....:sad:

DenizD

20th Aug 2008, 00:01

The nice lady who I met with did know the guy (she said his name, but I forgot it) that will be in NY with the cadet program but she didn't know any info on further stages, amount of cadets that will be selected, etc. She did advise me to practice my math though.

I think EYZ or someone mentioned how the roadshow was exlusively for pilots that already met the posted requirements on the etihad careers site.

I really hope this US roadshow won't attarct the Ace-hole pilots that live in the US.

Ok ive been to the UAE before and i know how these guys operate and if there were a thousand applications from uae nationals they would not be putting us ahead of them

You cannot forget that Emirates also has a cadet program for nationals only and it has been going on longer than Etihad's so naturally more natonals would goto Emirates. Only 20% of the UAE population are nationals. And the majority have money.

Think about it this way, what rich kid would want to give up driving his ferrari everyday to fly a plane on a schedule, doing a job where he is serving not himself, but others? That is probably why the Etihad cadet program has gone international. I was reading an artical about a female who is already in the cadet program and she said ever since she went on a zero-g flight at a UAE airshow in Al Ain she wanted to fly.....what teen can afford to go on those zero-g flights? and I think it was in a 727 those flights are pretty expensive. It's for reasons like this that Etihad wants you to pay them back for your training if you don't make it through! Ther are many who want to fly but not i nthe UAE.

And as far as your other comments Narayan, all I have to say is don't apply that'lll leave a higher chance for the rest of us to get through.

stevelhr2002

20th Aug 2008, 01:07

Through to the second stage and replied to say August dates were good for me. Sadly, it's getting to the point that I won't be able to go, August ends in a week and I can't just have four days off from my current job! Not liking this bit! :sad:

dubble_dubble

20th Aug 2008, 03:48

DenizD, u nailed it.

I lived in the UAE for about 10 years and let me share my experience, alll locals are balling out of control. They dont have to pay for water/electricty/ etc. they have exclusive rights over every other nationality, they get "Local Allowance" at whatver job they have. I even heard they have special cards which allowas them to buy stuff (ie groceries) for cheaper than the rest of society.... You cant open a business there unless its under a local persons name, if u do open something under a local, theyll most probably ask anything from 1% to 10% of profits, etc etc etc There are many many more privledges they have , too long to list...

My local friend signed up with a govt. education program, b/c his high school avg was higher than a B (ie >=70%), the UAE govt sent him to the states to study finance for 4 years, gave him $12,000 moving allowance and $4,000 a month for the 4 years he's there (this excludes the education/accomodation costs) and upon arrival, as an award, he is promised a $100,000 payment. And the condition for all this is that he has to work in a government dept. for 2 years for , as he put it himself, minimum wage of 80,000dhs a month!!! Thats over $20,000 a month:ugh:

Its a tough life:ok:

DenizD

20th Aug 2008, 10:07

That is a little extreme, no wonder behind every famous european buisness man in th UAE ther is n Emirati

Matt101

20th Aug 2008, 14:22

Still waiting!
Through to the second stage and replied to say August dates were good for me. Sadly, it's getting to the point that I won't be able to go, August ends in a week and I can't just have four days off from my current job! Not liking this bit! http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif

I know what you mean I have my bag permanently packed for work anyway and now my manager on speed dial to call in sick should I need to :}:sad:

mohamed farah

20th Aug 2008, 14:44

When do you know you have passed the first stage... do they tell you right after... and what is in the second stage.... does that mean your going to abu dhabi and that you are hired....? and by the way its going down in New York.... see all the north americans there...

dubble_dubble

20th Aug 2008, 15:08

assesmnet is in New york, JFK holiday inn "DO NOT CONFUSE WITH HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS" lol

Holday in JFK doesnt even exist on expedia:ugh:

MJetR

20th Aug 2008, 15:23

Hi,

I just clicked on the text in the email and made a reservation. King Non Smoking is 178.00 USD + taxes came to 202.00 USD.

I am driving from Ottawa in the am and will see everyone there on the 24th or 25th.

:ok:

DenizD

20th Aug 2008, 15:58

I can't just have four days off from my current job!

If you make it past the interview, and you need to quit your current job, you have to do something like what Dave Chappelle did when he found out he was having Oprah's baby......
My Baby's Momma - SPIKE (http://www.spike.com/video/my-babys-momma/2795964) <---hilarious

mohamed farah

20th Aug 2008, 17:17

Does Etihad pay for your flight to Abu Dhabi if u make it to the second stage..???

DenizD

20th Aug 2008, 18:25

Usually all airines will take care of travel on thir routes for an interview. But if you live in texas and they only fly to New York, then you will probably have to pay for the Texas to New York route. BUt they will probably take care of it.

BTW to all the Brits, I just watched Hot Fuzz again,
and I refer of coiurse to the ever-increasing eye sore.... the living statue:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Living_statue_Vienna.jpg/800px-Living_statue_Vienna.jpg

EYZ

20th Aug 2008, 19:04

I believe that EY does take care of all cost involved in rounds 2/3 in Abu Dhabi. Just need to make it that far!!

dreamis2fly

20th Aug 2008, 19:49

so after the second stage how long will it take to know if u passed to 3 stage

DenizD

20th Aug 2008, 20:19

If the second stage is just an interview then my guess is probably a couple days to a week...

adriaairways

21st Aug 2008, 13:00

Anyone got any information about the second phase yet?

reginald123

21st Aug 2008, 14:09

No, still heard nothing about the 2nd phase assessment, i too submitted for the end of August. Perhaps they did not receive enough "positives" for the August date???!!

Its 2 weeks now since they sent out the email asking you to reply, my only other thought is that they were busy finalising JFK, perhaps now that that seems to be done they might be able to arrange something.

At the end of the day no body seems to have received any news, id be more worried if everyone else heard and i didnt etc. Also, it said "end of August", that could easily mean just as well the first week or so in Sept. It wont take them long to organise flights etc on their own network, and accommodation wouldnt be an issue as any airline always has contracts with hotels nearby to base.

hopefully we will hear soon!!! frantic cheking of email is becoming the norm!!!

rcswing

21st Aug 2008, 14:51

Hi mates... I have been monitoring this forum for awhile ... and my status have been "under review" since May. I live in HK Asia.. and I just received an email from them .. they are inviting me to an assessment in Sydney on Sept 16... so.. i guess this is a good news to those who applied and reside in Australia. But here is the problem .. i afraid they sent this email to a wrong person .. in the email .. they said i reside in Australia.. but I'm NOT .. so.. i m replying them to see this is real or a mistake ..

DenizD

21st Aug 2008, 16:55

If I were you guys waiting for round 2, I would go back to previous page and read what EYZ wrote, actually I'll post it here for you, also I think muslim holidays start soon

Those waiting for the EU round 2 from my understanding is do not panic would be best advice, if its not until Sept it would be for a good reason and not just to make you stress more!!

NielZAR

21st Aug 2008, 18:07

Anyone got a email for Joburg on the 18th sep??? :-)

blueskybird

21st Aug 2008, 18:21

my application is still "Under Review"

NielZAR when did you submit your application and how long was it 'under review' before you got asked to go to the assessment? just wanna get a rough idea of how long the wait might be??? :confused:

many thanx and good luck! :ok:

startingout

21st Aug 2008, 19:34

Just got an email for the Sydney Sept 16th, anyone else? came throught late last night

NielZAR

21st Aug 2008, 21:00

I Submitted on Jun 27 :ok: hopefully I get a reply from them! good luck to everyone applying

ashmunn

21st Aug 2008, 21:53

YEH !!!! i just woke up and in my inbox, sydney sep 16th !!! :P

melvin_arnold

21st Aug 2008, 22:31

wowwww yeahhh me to mate, 16th september in Sydney :)

Narayan

21st Aug 2008, 23:53

Niel kan jy afrikaans praat?

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 01:06

To answer your question in short, when it comes to taking advantage of the highly visual nature of fluid flow, partical image analvelocity, is an experimental method for visualizing and analyzing fluid movement.

it's going to be on the test

Jbird777

22nd Aug 2008, 02:11

Yep just spat coffee out all over the laptop :}. Sept 16th!! Anybody from Brisbane heading down?

dubble_dubble

22nd Aug 2008, 04:31

@DenizD,

WHAT?:sad:

looool

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 04:39

@DenizD,

WHAT?http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/puppy_dog_eyes.gif

looool

Heys dubs, I was responding the the guys post before mine:hmm:

Niel kan jy afrikaans praat?

I didn't know what that meant so I tried to throw him off all the same, I am bored I can't wait for monday!!!!! I'm gonna go to terminal 4 @ JFK 8AM and hop on the holiday inn shuttle bus

BTW I just made that analvelocity stuff up it definately won't be on the test

NielZAR

22nd Aug 2008, 04:52

Ja ek kan :) hoekom?

Narayan

22nd Aug 2008, 05:00

rcswing

22nd Aug 2008, 05:06

Lets make a list for the sydney sept 16 assessment

1)rcswing
2)startingout
3)ashmunn
4)melvin aronld
5)Jbird 777

anyone else?...put your name down ~

freeze3192

22nd Aug 2008, 05:15

So final list for JFK (?):

asimrc
Bradda G
DenizD
Dubble_Bubble
freeze3192
JGerke
MjetR
mohamed farah
nomee747
Skhan11

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 05:31

Make a list if you are in the mood to be depressed, pilot aptitude tests are designed to extract the top 10%. So if there are 10 guys on your list only 1 will make it...:ok:

ashmunn

22nd Aug 2008, 05:34

rcswing ... your not coming from hong kong to sydney are you ? man ...

rcswing

22nd Aug 2008, 06:01

if the email wasn't a mistake.. i guess i will .. cuz i hv ID tickets from my sister ... she's a FA .. and she could even swop her roster to make a flight to sydney.. so.. i could stay in her crew hotel in the same room .. that also save up accommodation cost for me ...

ashmunn

22nd Aug 2008, 06:18

wow mate, all the best with that hey, hope you work out a cheap way of doing it ;)

reginald123

22nd Aug 2008, 07:24

Guys And Gals,

After posting a comment yesterday about still waiting to hear about 2nd rounds in Abu Dhabi, I have so far received private messages from 4 people in the US looking for me to give them information regarding whats coming up on the assessments.

While i appreciate your need for knowledge, unfortunately i will not divulge. If you read back through the early pages of this forum, no one has given out information about the assessments such as what is coming up. While im all for the spirit of "brotherhood" etc I am not going to give you Q&A. If you just came out of a job interview, would you tell the guy who is sitting waiting to go in what questions they asked and hints and tips etc? i think not.

All i will tell you is the following:
1- Assessment starts promptly. Dont be late.
2- Materials are provided such as pen and paper.
3- You will not have a private interview.
4- The whole experience lasts between 2-3 hours with a break inbetween.

PLEASE do not send me private messages as i will not reply. It is only fair to everybody past and present that this is a level playing field.

leyahl

22nd Aug 2008, 09:11

Can't believe people are STILL trying to coax answers out of people! If you can't do the tests, you shouldn't be considered by Etihad. It worries me that if people are trying to blag the first stage, will these same people be trying to blag their final tests in training? Wouldn't exactly instill confidence in passengers' confidence if the pilots aren't up to scratch.

adriaairways

22nd Aug 2008, 09:35

So, the invitations for the second round are finally here:). They'll have quite a work to arrange all the flights

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 09:58

analvelocity only comes into effect when your girlfriend has been a bitch or is really liberal either way its not all its cracked up to be imo. I was asking the oak from south africa if he spoke afrikaans. Wa van is jy brew. Eks van de us en my afrikaans is biaa kak, ek blay in pretoria(ek geleer et tuks) vir 1 yeara. Is jy a soti? Ek hoop jy kan virstaan wat ek say vir jou. Ek mis boremaseys, and die sally williams nogurt by die groenkloof spar (weet jy jak de preister?).

shut it

Guys And Gals,

After posting a comment yesterday about still waiting to hear about 2nd rounds in Abu Dhabi, I have so far received private messages from 4 people in the US looking for me to give them information regarding whats coming up on the assessments.

Didn't the pilot in Europe say that they were choosing a fixed amount of people from each region? Your competition, dude, is the guys you already took the test in Europe.

Can't believe people are STILL trying to coax answers out of people! If you can't do the tests, you shouldn't be considered by Etihad. It worries me that if people are trying to blag the first stage, will these same people be trying to blag their final tests in training? Wouldn't exactly instill confidence in passengers' confidence if the pilots aren't up to scratch.

I got a total of 7 emails from people asking me what was going to be on the test since I posted that thing about analvelocity, it's fake people I made it up! Analvelocity has only been a word now for about 4 hours, because thats how long ago my brain created it! But seriously some of these guys wanted me to give them a formula or an equation, calm down I was joking....analvelocity equation, give me a fraking break!

So, the invitations for the second round are finally herehttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/smile.gif. They'll have quite a work to arrange all the flights

(The following should be read in the voice of Stewey from famil guy...)

Really?, theres gonna be some major arrangin?, Really?
Theres gonna be some Airbus CJ's parked outside your door? Hmmm? Really?
Really?
The dispatchers are gonna factor some extra fuel in there for ya? Really?
Is that so?, Huh, Really?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW is the test on a computer or paper?

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 10:02

Oh and by the way, I just want everyone to know I speak french quite fluently, and that afrika aanza crap iss not gonna fly! I don't think I have to remind everyone aout the guys who started talking in arabic around page 10 or so do I? Well I'll just say it didn't go as they planned, people were shot and Albanians were wrrestled down to the floor, so.......be smart about this....;)

malirm

22nd Aug 2008, 13:48

reginald123

22nd Aug 2008, 14:12

adrIa,

do you mean to say you finally got a response with an actual date to go to Abu Dhabi?

Matt101

22nd Aug 2008, 14:27

Yeah August "invitations" went out today anyway - if you didn't ask for this not to worry though as they said you will be invited with the "rest of the world" candidates in November.

Hopefully see some of you there at the end of next week any guesses that if you make it through to the medical you have essentially been offered a job subject to passing the medical and security checks??

Quite exciting but far too much to worry about!!

Matt

owenoundle

22nd Aug 2008, 15:09

Hi Matt101

Got the email as well. I guess that if you get to and pass the medical at the end of the 4 days, you have a good chance of being offered a sponsorship.

See you there hopefully

David

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 15:49

I think you meant me @ page 10 or so, OK...I didn't plan to convert this thread to Arabic or wanted to keep some info for myself, the same thing was said again & again in english... I didn't think about using PMs...I just wanted to write them greetings in Arabic & know if they DO speak/write arabic and their origins (they might be from my place)...but at the end I found out that most of them speak broken arabic (not arabs...u can say) and are living some where else...:oh:, even if they spoke solid Arabic I would have switched to the PMs, Sorry Deniz D...PLEASE forgive me, I will never do it again :ugh:

Don't tell me you are taking that seriously I'm quoting Top Gear. But if you seriously felt like you had to explain yourelf...that's cool, I had no problem with it because the guys that told you to stop thought you were concealing information, but in all reality you were saying hi and thanks. That guy didn't make it I'm guessing.

ah deniz, tu parles français oué mdr !!! je veux bien le voir !! chui français moi, donc si jamais tu veux parler en français, chui là !! personally, i agree with everyone who wants this to be a 'fair' program as such, but please .... enough with the bitchiness, it's getting quite ridiculous !! gone a little too far if you ask me.

PLease look through my posts when you have the time I'm not serious at all...let me upload a picture, that will explain matters

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 15:57

This is a picture of me (front, on the left) and my bro zaazoo (front,right). Do we look serious? He doesn't speak franch like me though he does speak spanish and his girlfriend lives in California. I just like making fun of her becuz he beats me up but the end of the day it's all worth it. You guys better like this picture because when he gets home hes gonna beat the crap out of me!

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1062/picture2bg9.jpg

malirm

22nd Aug 2008, 21:19

sorry, but I took it serious...I had to explain myself so that nobody gets a bad idea about You or Me...

BTW the guys replied to me with greetings & thanks for my willingness to support & help them in AD if they found it hard to find their way in AD...etc.

any help in AD...go for me...

nice pic...hope ZaaZoo is doing well & preparing for the assessments...BTW I had a twin Bro that deid 3 days after we were born...

GoodLuck

:ok:

DenizD

22nd Aug 2008, 22:07

Hey Malirm, is it true that Al Ain is in a completely different corner of the UAE in relation to the UAE,. And also since you are a national do you own a ferrari? I would really like to drive one of those when I get there (I know I'm a cocky turd)Is there an exotic car rental place in the UAE?

nomee747

22nd Aug 2008, 22:16

Guyz,
Just wanted to say best of luck!!!

I shall see you @ NYC...i live just 10 mins aways...

For me these tests are just a challenege.. I would have nothing to lose....as i'm currently employed with EK-Finance in NYC.

So even I dont get to the 10%, i would still be happy that i made it to the first assesments....

So sit back, relax and wait for 25 Aug....

dubble_dubble

22nd Aug 2008, 22:38

I have never been to the U.S., i hope i get security clearance at US customs/border protection here in Toronto pearson airport!

Its like:

"Sir, whats the purpose of your trip to the US?"

And I reply :

"Umm yaaa, Going for a job interview in New York, which involves learning how to fly commercial passenger jets, for an airline in the middleast, which flies to New York 3 times a week, and the direct translation of thier name is 'United' "

"Errr, Sir, you've been randomly selected for further investigation...."

:}

ZaaZoo

22nd Aug 2008, 22:43

hahaha that picture.....anywho training here is soooo boring the only good thing is my class is next door to the simulator bay,so on breaks i walk in to the computer room to watch how the pilot trainees handle diff situations.....and man do some of them suck...youll see the sims rotate in a fast whip to simulate an engine out on takeoff an they will drop the nose and kick the rudder in and swing it back...those things can really move.most of those guys are my age and i could def do what they r doing now but...no money!im off to salt lake city tommorow for an embraer indoc ferry flight...hope all is well with everyone ... later p.s hey ashley m.

malirm

22nd Aug 2008, 23:54

"Hey Malirm, is it true that Al Ain is in a completely different corner of the UAE in relation to the UAE,. And also since you are a national do you own a ferrari? I would really like to drive one of those when I get there (I know I'm a cocky turd)Is there an exotic car rental place in the UAE?"

Al Ain is somewhere like 140 Km from Abu Dhabi...I can make it there in less than an hour with my Mercedes E350 2005 model (there are no speed restrictions), if you go through my previous posts in the very beginning you would find better info...anyways I'll give out some now

Al Ain is in the middle of the Desert, but its the City of gardens (alots of parks & gardens)...doesn't have many traffic lights (maybe 3 Max) it has got alots of round abouts & short buildings, you can reach the Sultanate of Oman (neighboring country) within less than 2 1/2 hours, BTW Al Ain is approximately the same distance from Abu Dhabi & Dubai (you can choose to Spend your weekends somewhere there), last time I visited it was in May (Was planning to go for the PPL...), download the Google Earth & enjoy watching the places.

About Exotic/Luxurious cars...there are alots of these rent a car companies here...I tried the Hammer H2, Audi Q7 & the Dodge SRT (costs a lot for a Ferrari...800 Dhs for 12 hours & don't forget the refueling) I do get them with their unique Number plates & fly to Dubai (my College) then come back with a GIRL...usually a stewardess...there are alot of them UNDER 22

BTW Deniz D...I am not a National of the UAE...although was born & lived in the UAE...I do carry 3 different Nationalities (sounds like 007), but dropped one as I had to serve for their Army when becoming 18.

Just focus on your exams & I promise you to get you into a Tour around the UAE when you arrive here...good luck

blueskybird

23rd Aug 2008, 01:02

dubble dubble your post has really made me chuckle :}:}:}:}:}:}

DenizD

23rd Aug 2008, 03:00

Just focus on your exams & I promise you to get you into a Tour around the UAE when you arrive here...good luck

That is what I'm talking about, a brother from another mother! I can understand the nationality thing me and my bro are oreos.

As far as studying goes, I have decided today that on Saturday (tomorow) I will stop studying altogether and go into standby mode. I understand we get a pencil and paper so now I'm a little bit more relaxed becuz I won't have to do as much math in my head. This thing is crazy but I don't want to stress over it.

dubble_dubble

23rd Aug 2008, 05:29

hahaa blue skybird, hopefully that dont happen.

Same here, after saturday im done practicing! Man its hard enough without a calc., doing math in our heads is like :eek:

DenizD

23rd Aug 2008, 12:55

I can't sleep anymore! I fall asleep at 3am and then wake up at 6am. The wierd thing is I don't feel tired all day! I can't wait for this to be ovee. BTW where are all the canadians?

kuzukuzu

23rd Aug 2008, 13:51

Another here for Sydney on the 16th September. :)

skhan11

23rd Aug 2008, 14:19

One of the Canadians is coming down to NYC tonight (me)!... See you all soon, "eh"!.. lol

freeze3192

23rd Aug 2008, 14:54

So they make you do all the math in your head or do they let you have scratch paper?

dubble_dubble

23rd Aug 2008, 14:57

haha same here, another "Canadian" coming down.

:ok:

freeze I think they give us paper !

JGerke

23rd Aug 2008, 16:33

And yet another Canadian coming down as well - I think I am the only one from out west?? Flying into EWR tomorrow and then staying at the holiday inn JFK and heading back out of EWR on Monday after the assessment.... long ways to travel and a lot of commuting for one day!! Who all is staying at the Holiday Inn??

coral reef

23rd Aug 2008, 18:19

I'll be at the Holiday Inn as well, coming down from Ottawa on Sunday

DenizD

23rd Aug 2008, 20:44

Do you guys want to meet up at the holiday inn on sunday? For the guys not staying at the holiday inn, do youu guys know where to go on monday?

MJetR

23rd Aug 2008, 21:41

Ill be landing @ JFK @ 1845, heading right to the Holiday Inn. Check in and grab some food in the hotel bistro (1930).

See everyone tomorrow.

:ok:

DenizD

23rd Aug 2008, 21:51

Maybe we should all meet up in the hotel lobby at like 6pm (1800)? tommorow and hang out?

MJetR

23rd Aug 2008, 21:54

I am game, however I wont be there until later -- 1930.

But I am sure it wont be hard to miss this crew. :cool:

JGerke

23rd Aug 2008, 22:15

I am in - probably won't be getting to the hotel until around 7 of so - landing at EWR around 530 and then have to still commute over.... gonna make for one long day.... where does everyone plan on going?? Just at the hotel restaurant??

nomee747

23rd Aug 2008, 23:21

We expect around 20-25 applicants to show up ....

Best of luck...I'd like to advise/remind all ppl, including me to stay as calm as possible .....

Bradda G

23rd Aug 2008, 23:54

I am down with that! See u all @ 1945 [8/24/08]:ok:

DenizD

24th Aug 2008, 01:33

Yeah bradda G i guess that is a good time for all then! So just to make it clear.........

1945(7:45PM) on Sunday @ the Holiday Inn Lobby.....
(I'll bring the women)

freeze3192

24th Aug 2008, 03:08

I won't be able to make the Holiday Inn event because I'm getting in kind of late Sunday, but does anyone want to go spotting at JFK after the assessment? I'm kind of thinking about it....

DenizD

24th Aug 2008, 05:18

Hey freeze what time is your exam on Sunday 9am? What time are you gonna get to JFK?

ZaaZoo

24th Aug 2008, 07:39

the only woman deniz knows is our mom....dont get too excited.

Gemstone

24th Aug 2008, 10:39

I got my email for JHB on the 18th and booked my plane tickets this morning!

I wonder how many people are coming? Doesn't look like a lot...

freeze3192

24th Aug 2008, 11:01

Hey freeze what time is your exam on Sunday 9am? What time are you gonna get to JFK?

I'm in the Monday 9 AM session. I'm leaving this morning around 11 AM and I should arrive in NYC at 9-10PM

Martin2kn4

24th Aug 2008, 12:52

Anybody going out to Abu Dhabi this month for stages 2/3 and flying from Manchester?

EYZ

24th Aug 2008, 12:57

From what I hear, the scheme has no end planned, next year there should be more worldwide selelections in different places too.
I think they are going to advertise later this year for next year.

malirm

24th Aug 2008, 14:00

Just wanted to say good luck for NY assessment guys & hope you get to know each other better (FACE TO FACE) before the assessment & hope to see...most of you in AD...aaaah have to go to my night shift in DXB...:ugh:

DenizD c u bro & TC of ZaaZoo

reginald123

24th Aug 2008, 19:22

Hi Guys

Going nuts here, still dont know what sort of email i got from Etihad, their emails go to my office email, which im away until tues and my external access is down :bored:

What exactly did the email say?

Did it say weather you were going next week, apologise if you couldnt have August and to hold out till nov etc?

Anyone get an email saying no?

Anyone who got a maybe email after LHR/FRA get told a definite No?

Anyone "maybe" not hear at all?

Im just anxious to know so i can mentally prep for myself for what might greet me in the office on Tues :uhoh:

DenizD

24th Aug 2008, 21:48

the only woman deniz knows is our mom....dont get too excited.
That's funny because I know your girlfriends number, maybe we should get her over here. I doin't know why you still post here, go back to your 4 week training class.

Just wanted to say good luck for NY assessment guys & hope you get to know each other better (FACE TO FACE) before the assessment & hope to see...most of you in AD...aaaah have to go to my night shift in DXB...:ugh:

DenizD c u bro & TC of ZaaZoo Thanks, as we speak I am planning to find a pair of jeans to wear to the First Anual Etihad Cadet Wannabe Meet of 2008

ll see you guys at 7:45pm

ZaaZoo

24th Aug 2008, 21:56

oh so you're cadets now...I missed the part where you actually take the tests...and then got the email.

blueskybird

24th Aug 2008, 22:37

bobby101 my status is "under review" at the moment. i submitted it earlier this month......the waiting game has begun! :\

kuzukuzu

25th Aug 2008, 03:40

Has anyone attending the Sydney round next month received the follow-up email detailing the events on the day?

youwishyouknew

25th Aug 2008, 05:54

Has anyone attending the Sydney round next month received the follow-up email detailing the events on the day?

Not as yet...cant say I'm not eagerly awaiting it. I wonder how many people got an invitation???

rcswing

25th Aug 2008, 07:25

so far i guess there are 7 of us from pprune got an invitation ...

and just want to say good luck to those who are being assessed today in JFK! .. GOOd luCk !

ashmunn

25th Aug 2008, 08:44

good luck guys, best of luck for the NY assessment :ok:
so far i dont see many aussies for the assessment in sydney ... maybe there are a lot of ppl who havent posted on the site ?? there would have to be a lot more ppl for sure.

joniss

25th Aug 2008, 09:27

Does anyone who has been invited to 31st August need a visa with sponsor in UAE?
I worried that they won't be able to make it for me in one week and I have to go to Abu Dhabi in November

MAINTAINVERTICALSPD!

25th Aug 2008, 10:23

Can EYZ please shed some light on this? (the guarantee section (b) has since been removed from the webpage.)

Participation in the cadet pilot programme is subject to (a) ability to obtain all required security clearances and medical approvals from the GCAA or other relevant authorities as may be required from time to time by the company and (b) furnishing of appropriate guarantee acceptable to the company and such guarantee remainWould successful cadets have to furnish AED 500,000 guarantee? :( If so, how are some of us (19-26 year olds) going to make this possible? Bond the family home?:confused:

joniss, I'm not sure, but wouldn't a passport be sufficient?

Goodluck to everyone attending the NYC assessment today.:ok:

Matt101

25th Aug 2008, 14:25

Would successful cadets have to furnish AED 500,000 guarantee? http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif If so, how are some of us (19-26 year olds) going to make this possible? Bond the family home?http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/confused.gif

joniss, I'm not sure, but wouldn't a passport be sufficient?

Goodluck to everyone attending the NYC assessment today.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

At the EU selection we wer told that they will require someone whether it be a family member, friend or bank to sign a gurantor form so that if you drop out or fail due to being a lazy so and so they will pay your course fees for you.

You don't physically hand over any money.

Matt101

25th Aug 2008, 14:28

Hi Guys

Going nuts here, still dont know what sort of email i got from Etihad, their emails go to my office email, which im away until tues and my external access is down http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/wbored.gif

What exactly did the email say?

Did it say weather you were going next week, apologise if you couldnt have August and to hold out till nov etc?

Anyone get an email saying no?

Anyone who got a maybe email after LHR/FRA get told a definite No?

Anyone "maybe" not hear at all?

Im just anxious to know so i can mentally prep for myself for what might greet me in the office on Tues http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/worry.gif

Firstly it said congratulations on making it past stage 1 then invited you to stages 2/3 being conducted at the same time in AD.

You basically had to reply by today to say you would be willing to come in August - if you didn't reply they assume you want to come out in November and you will be invited back then.

malirm

25th Aug 2008, 16:33

My 500,000 AED is ready...but I need a guaranteed JOB...thats one of the reasons I've freezed my flight training (Save money then start a GOOD start)...I think Etihad is planning for a change in PLANS!!!

I also think JFK assessments had ended right now (16 30 GMT) or a little bit earlier. where are you...ppl of NY???:(

skhan11

25th Aug 2008, 17:55

The assessment @ JFK ended just an hour back. It was a great experience. The assessors are most friendly! They do an excellent job at doing what you need most at that time, which is: RELAX. The captain even had some good music playing during the breaks!

The assessment only makes you realize even more how much you want to be on the Etihad team, and not any other airline.

Anywhoo, gots to go check out NYC!

Peace, and good-luck to all those with assessments coming up in the near future!

S Khan

ricardo123

25th Aug 2008, 17:56

Hi Guys - I received the email from Etihad on the 7th August saying "maybe" and I replied that I would like to come to AD this August. However, unfortunately I haven't heard anything from them:ugh: ... just wondering if anyone else also requested August without hearing back yet?

Richard

forssi

25th Aug 2008, 18:02

What type of assessment is it?

One of those that you answer a,b,c or d, match the picture?

Give us a break down, got mine on the 18th Sep in South Africa.

Bradda G

25th Aug 2008, 18:46

We were told NOT to mention anything about the test by the proctors. If we do, they have the contacts to find out who you are and you would be disqualified!

Test was not all that difficult. Just relax and manage your time.

Cheers all :ok:

Phrenetic

25th Aug 2008, 18:57

Hi Guys - I received the email from Etihad on the 7th August saying "maybe" and I replied that I would like to come to AD this August. However, unfortunately I haven't heard anything from them... just wondering if anyone else also requested August without hearing back yet?

Richard

Same situation over here Richard. You are not alone! :cool:

DenizD

25th Aug 2008, 19:09

Yeah I really wanna fly even ore for Etihad now. I especially want to fly with Captain Jason, he is an awesome capt

Bradda G

25th Aug 2008, 19:45

I think u mean Jason there Deniz!

Good luck to all. Wait a minute! I mean good luck to me!:=

Cheers all!:)

nomee747

25th Aug 2008, 20:23

I guess we Americans would have to wait for Aug.8...!!!

Have crossed my fingers...!

Bradda G

25th Aug 2008, 20:26

August 8??? :ugh:

What are you talking about bro'?

nomee747

25th Aug 2008, 20:33

oops Sept. 8...

dubble_dubble

26th Aug 2008, 02:05

forssi

26th Aug 2008, 07:03

What happens if you pass the first stage of the assessment?

Do they invite you to AD for an interview, do they have the interviews in your own country?

I can't wait long, as i have 2 weeks before i finish my CPL, but i will hold off till the assessment.

MAINTAINVERTICALSPD!

26th Aug 2008, 07:33

forssi,

I believe that you will be invited to attend stage 2/3 in AD should you be successful in the first stage.

MAINTAINVERTICALSPD!

26th Aug 2008, 09:45

787_101,

AFAIK the status has no bearing on your application.:)

youwishyouknew

26th Aug 2008, 10:17

Just got a reply about the Sydney assessment day telling me what the test involved but no mention of a time and place as yet?? Anyone else get the same email?? I sent one back asking for the time and place so hopefully I will hear about it soon.

I'm pretty excited about the whole thing...approx how many people did they have at previous sessions around the globe??

Just as writing this I got a reply...gee they are quick...they said they will keep me updated on the venue.

rcswing

26th Aug 2008, 10:46

wow.. that's fast. I still haven't get their reply yet.

Anyone else got a reply about the sydney assessment ?

Matt101

26th Aug 2008, 11:40

Anyone got the email about stage 2/3 being postponed until second week of september due to ramadan - assume all the flights booked - bit of a bummer though - stretching out the worry!!

Bigga

26th Aug 2008, 13:20

Matt, what this about the tests being pushed back? Do you have exact dates mate?

kuzukuzu

26th Aug 2008, 13:53

Anyone else got a reply about the sydney assessment ?

Not as yet, still waiting.

Matt101

26th Aug 2008, 15:41

Matt, what this about the tests being pushed back? Do you have exact dates mate?

If you were invited out to Abu Dhabi (for stages 2 &3 and medical) at the end of this week you should have got an email explaining that due to the holy week of Ramadan starting on the 1st this has been postponed until the second week of September. Presumably due to full aricraft????

DenizD

26th Aug 2008, 16:24

I think that all of us guys were prepared for the test, so much so that yesterday when it came to it, the thing wasn't hard at all like Bradda G mentioned.

I think it was hilarious how some guys were carrying their chart/catalogue cases when they didn't even have a license! If I knew they were gonna be there I would have bought my jepps and binders and sold em on the spot.

As far as the test questions go I answered all of the questions, if this is the same test the guys in London took I don't know what they were complaining about.

sarmer

26th Aug 2008, 16:26

Hi all,
Have any South Africans gotten more info regarding the assessment yet? (Other than that it is scheduled for the 18th Sep? Also lets see how many South Africans there are.. I'm 1
Cheers.

malirm

26th Aug 2008, 16:35

Hi Matt...its the holly MONTH of Ramadan...after that an EID (3 day holiday)...you might face some problems in Ramadan especially in Medicals & food (approx everybody is fasting & feeling GREAT :ugh:)...anyways GOODLUCK.

DenizD.....hope you make it through

MAINTAINVERTICALSPD!

26th Aug 2008, 16:59

sarmer,

Be patient, we have been invited, the email will come in time.

I will post here as soon as I receive anything.

Looking forward to the 18th, see you all there.;)

sarmer

26th Aug 2008, 20:31

I know it will. I am just wanting it to come asap so i can purchase my airplane ticket to get there. Obviously it would be bad if the flight i booked arrived too late. Anyway thanks for the reply. I too am very excited! See you there. :ok:

ZaaZoo

26th Aug 2008, 21:28

I think it was hilarious how some guys were carrying their chart/catalogue cases when they didn't even have a license! If I knew they were gonna be there I would have bought my jepps and binders and sold em on the spot.

What? Hahaha nerds!That must have looked really ghetto.

Bradda G

26th Aug 2008, 22:24

Does anyone know if EY will look at getting the B737 for short sectors? Would help to transistion to the T7. Just curious...and also a little bias:8

Ok FIRE away now ladies and gents!!:}

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 01:21

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

Are you serious? We just took a test to see if we will even make it to the next round and your already worried about upgrading! Wow

Anywho the 737 and 777 are completely different. Not to mention the size of a triple 'sev' engine is larger than the fuselage of the classic 37's

BTW did you bring a chart case to the test?

You asked for it

stonyisland

27th Aug 2008, 01:50

In the captain's slide show, I do remember a slide showing only A320s on order as far as narrowbody aircraft. As well as widebody orders of A350s, A380s, 777s and 787s.

freeze3192

27th Aug 2008, 02:53

Only the A32x's. No 737s, that's the UAE's other airline doing that.

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 03:01

I don't think you guys realize this yet but the reason why the A320 is so popular among airlines is because it is foolproof, the 737 is much more complicated (system wise) than the 320. And it's not just the A320 but all series after it 330,340,380.

Also you probably haven't thought about how large an A320 is, once you realize that you are gonna be flying a plane with 125+ pax behind you, that don't know anything except for where the plane is supposed to land, then size becomes the least of your problems.

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 03:46

Not worrying about upgrades here Deniz D. Just wanted to keep the thread going.

Also, what makes you think the 737 has a more 'complicated' system than the bus? And what is this thing about the bus being 'foolproof'? U talking about the Alpha system? I'll admit, not being able to stall or fly outside the envelope is a good thing (to an extent...) In addition, it would be easier to go from one Boeing aircraft to another. I knew that the types had no commonality (just FYI).

IMHO, the 737 has a less complicated system i.e. no flight laws, no middle man [FCC] etc. However, I have no problem flying either IF I get the chance.

PS And yes, I was serious about my previous thread! ;) What chart case are you talking about?:confused: I didn't bring one.

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 05:45

In addition, it would be easier to go from one Boeing aircraft to another. I knew that the types had no commonality (just FYI).

That's exactly why they aren't easier to go from one to another.

Airbus has made a product that if you were only in the cockpit of the A318,319,320,330,340 the first difference would be the amount of thrust levers and the second would be the overhead panels. Look at a 737NG panel compared to the 757 panel compared to the 747-400 panel compared to the 777 no commonality at all (like you mentioned). However from the A318 to the A340-600 the only difference are the expanded systems, # of thrust levers, and nowadays the new LCD screens.

In addition besides the fact that everything on all the panels of airbus a/c stay in the same place regardless of model (unlike boeing). The flying stays the same, on T/O put the throttles full to ToGA and when your promted, (at a certain altitude, usually 1500 in the baby buses) bring the levers back a "click" to THR CLB and you have your auto throttle set for the whole flight until you take over to fly the approach. When I first started flying glass cockpits with AP's the instructor told me "when you were over at HFI (a flight school that has old steam gauge cessnas and pipers) you were a pilot, now in this Cirrus your just a systems engineer". And thats true for most glass aircraft put everything in the GPS or mcdu and turn on the autopilot. In that way it is foolproof (tell the computer everything and just engage it). Plus in the bus you always have positive control. The same cannot be said for Boeing.

Knowing about the planes design/performance capabilities I would feel much safer flying as a passenger on an airbus in India with a 23 year old captain who just came off a piper seneca and an 18 year old F/O who only got his multi rating the same day than fly in a boeing with the same crew. The airlines know it, and thats why they choose it

zwarriorz

27th Aug 2008, 06:33

ya the assessment wasnt as tough as I prepared for, but under that ridiculous (spelling?) time pressure, I had to guess the last questions to finish and i think many ppl didnt finish!

In other news, that blonde cabin attendant was smoooooooookin' gorgeous! ..When I firat saw her my reaction was like

agreed.... the blonde girl, name Sylvia, was very attractive and she was actually an administrative staff from Etihad.

Well, back to the topic. The test wasn't hard in terms of the material, but the test was stressful due to the time limit.

mabes

27th Aug 2008, 06:48

has anyone who already has their CPL gone to the first stage of the selection process with the intention that they don't actually have their CPL, and are willing to do all that training again??

forssi

27th Aug 2008, 06:49

So far only 3 South African's attending from here.

Do you guys have any flying experience, ops experience etc?

forssi

27th Aug 2008, 06:57

I'm in the final weeks of getting my CPL.

I'l go to the assessment, with out it and do my flight test the next day...

sarmer

27th Aug 2008, 08:22

Hey there,
In reply to your question.. i do not have flying experience. See you in Jhb though! Cheers.

Gemstone

27th Aug 2008, 09:00

No flying experience... have yopu seen the SAA Express also have started a cadet programme? Guess they started it after SAA stopped their programme.

Lowspirited

27th Aug 2008, 09:13

how many ppl have got a reply in aus after replying to the initial email? i replied on friday but still haven't recieved a follow up

sarmer

27th Aug 2008, 10:05

Hi Gemstone
I never knew that. I did apply so SAA though and got really far.

Have you made travel arrangements yet to get to Jhb or are you going to wait until the second email? Also maybe we can get the same flight and travel together? Just a thought. Let me know what you think. Cheers for now.

forssi

27th Aug 2008, 10:30

SAX cadet scheme is only for previuosly disadvantaged...

Sorry guys...

So my question is "what about the currently disadvantaged?"

= Ethihad

haileybury777

27th Aug 2008, 10:52

hey yeaa i got called for testing in sydney , but havent got a clarification reply from them yet on what the assesment involves and where the venue is located.

See u guys there!!

rcswing

27th Aug 2008, 12:32

hey yeaa i got called for testing in sydney , but havent got a clarification reply from them yet on what the assesment involves and where the venue is located.

hey haileybury777...

are you from singapore ? ... if so .. in their email .. did they say "Your application states that you are in Australia." or Singapore?

cheers

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 13:25

That's exactly why they aren't easier to go from one to another.

Airbus has made a product that if you were only in the cockpit of the A318,319,320,330,340 the first difference would be the amount of thrust levers and the second would be the overhead panels. Look at a 737NG panel compared to the 757 panel compared to the 747-400 panel compared to the 777 no commonality at all (like you mentioned). However from the A318 to the A340-600 the only difference are the expanded systems, # of thrust levers, and nowadays the new LCD screens.My previous post about transitioning to the T7 was not interpreted correctly. EY has the T73ER and I was only suggesting that it would have been 'easier' for someone to go from Boeing's 737 to 777

In addition besides the fact that everything on all the panels of airbus a/c stay in the same place regardless of model (unlike boeing). The flying stays the same, on T/O put the throttles full to ToGA and when your promted, (at a certain altitude, usually 1500 in the baby buses) bring the levers back a "click" to THR CLB and you have your auto throttle set for the whole flight until you take over to fly the approach.Isn't the flying the same on any modern jetliner? Sounds like the same procedure I would use if I were flying a 727 or an A380? In addition, thrust reduction altitude is dependent on several facors such as:

Noise Abatement
Company policy
Terrain
EO performance

I will admit that the commonality on the airbus is a big plus. But as far as I am concern, most/all modern aircraft are flown the same way:

1.PROGRAM
2.SET
3.VERIFY
4.EXECUTE!!
5.MONITOR

Happy flying!
Bradda G

dubble_dubble

27th Aug 2008, 15:40

The thing is, if you found the test easy, then chances are most people found it easy which once again, puts everyone (relatively speaking) on the same boat (score wise).

Therefore, this whole thing boils down to who worked the fastest and most accurate under the time pressure. Why i emphasize accuracy is because i noticed most questions had answers that you would get due to common errors, and when your racing through questions under that time pressure, you are prone to make those "stupid" common errors!

just my $.02:E

nomee747

27th Aug 2008, 16:02

I totally agree with Dubble,,, I mean completinh the tests on time is one thing and getting them right is another....

Secondly, since everyone (including me) think that the test were easy... so this means that they would definitely be looking for ppl who have achieved 90 and above percentile....

Btw, any thoughts on how many ppl they would select out of 35 candidates from NYC...

Matt101

27th Aug 2008, 16:24

Can't believe there were only 35 of you in the US - considering there were probably a couple hundred of us in the EU tests (over 3 days) - do you think it's just because flight training is relatively cheap in the US complared ot the EU or is there something else that is putting people off - not that less competition is horendous!!

I think lots of people over here here found the tests easy but were surprised by the results in the end, not that that will have any bearing on how you guys did mind you.

Best of luck to you all!

ps rubbish typign due to nearly slicign finger off with fdrill bit earlier

dubble_dubble

27th Aug 2008, 16:24

I think this is whats going to happen:

The capt. there said they need 50 ppl for next year.

I think he also said somthing about initially selecting a 100 people (for the 50 spots).

After Sydney and Johsburg testing, they will simply combine the list of ALL the candidates who wrote the test.

This "list" be in the order of highest score to lowest and just choose the top 100 or whatever number they want to initially select for the 50 spots next year.

Next, these 100 ppl (or how many ever for the 50 spots) will be flown to AD for the 2nd phase.

Then again comes the process of elimination, from the 100 candidates who completed phase 2, Etihad will put these 100 on a "list" in the order of best to worst scores of phase 2 and choose the top 50 on that list for the 50 spots next year.

Then comes the interview, which I believe he said if you made it to the interview, you're in! (unless you come to the interview nude or somthing :hmm:)

My question is this:

In regards to the European candidates, they were only considered for the November course correct? The reason im asking is because why else would they have recieved invites to the 2nd round before the rest of the world got tested?

If this is the case, it will be very good for us who got tested in New York and the candidates getting tested in Sydney and johansburg because I think all of us combined, we are most likely less than 150 candidates which statistically speaking makes getting invites to the 2nd round much less competitive:O

ANy ideas??

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 16:27

I agree with Dubs! As far as the # of candidates that could be selected...:ugh:

It all depends on how the North American assessment compares to our fellow prospective aviators in JNB and SYD.

Do you reckon that there will around 100 candidates combined (JFK, JNB, SYD)?

If that's the case, the our odds are really looking good!

Cheers

Matt101

27th Aug 2008, 16:29

Hey - wishful thinking I am afraid.

EU candidates have invites to August and November screenings in Abu Dhabi. August screening I assume so they can get some people for the limitesd spots left on the November course and teh November screening for next years courses.

That's what the email I've had leads me to believe anyway.

In reality time will tell I suppose.

Edited to add: actually not sure every EU candidate has had an invite yet - some people said earlier they hadn't I think.

malirm

27th Aug 2008, 17:11

I agree with DenizDs view about the Airbus...but Tech & maintenance wise...I say Boeing (just left the 777-300ER today in hanger B DXB...reg. A6-EBJ), anyways...the 777 cockpit looks Luxurious while the Airbuses' looks Modern.

I heard from a pilot that the A320 has a higher ground effect when landing (lift reduces as it reaches the ground...negative vertical speed increases), while in the 737...The ground effect is lower...smoother landing, but sometimes you fight the 737 down when landing...

When going through my last assignment about the B777-300ER & A340-500 Auto Flight Control Systems...found out that the Boeings have smoother reactions to turbulences while Airbuses do have rigid reactions (certain popular cases)... & found out that the L1011s AFCS is better...:ugh:, hope I helped (simply) enlighten other sides of this LONG comparison.

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 17:24

Another thing too is that there are people that won't show up and follow directions just like what happened here in NY. Thats what I'm counting on.

To Bradda G

Yes it is similar but it is not the same, the airbus automates everything unless the pilot selects to turn something OFF. So it the process may be the same but the way in which they are carried out is completely different.You put the throttles full forward in an A320 the aircraft knows you're either taking off or going around, and it will set the engines to the proper N1 speed and temps (in a boeing you put the throttles full forward then retard them to get to the proper %age and temp settings ), also the auto throttle is automatically engaged so there is no reaching up to flip a switch (unlike boeing which requires you to do so).

I think the only thing that remains the same throughout boeing aircraft is the location of the EFIS control panel

nomee747

27th Aug 2008, 17:25

The assesments for JNB and SYD would be held during 16-18 Sept.

Personally, I dont think that they would combine the results ...as they would have to inform us about our results no later than 08SEP.

Well it all depends on EY,, we are just assuming things...:rolleyes:

Secondly, I dont think most of the ppl in US would go for this because of the pay unless if they have the passion of flying ... i mean think abt it , 40% from first year and so on....

lets consider, if they were paying $36000 annually ($3000 per month) and then 40% from that, would bring the annual pay to $21600...(a lot less than what majority makes)... money is certainly not an issue for me, but thats what i feel that ppl would be interested... i mean its a great program, but then some ppl would be concious about the wage...

Do correct me if i'm wrong on this one...

Finally, i was just shocked to see ppl wearing jeans and sneakers for the first session, it just looked that they were about to hit the club...:p , that sincerely shows that they had no motivation at all ...

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 17:36

I think your wrong, at the end of the test Capt Morris said "So what happens now? Your gonna get an email that says thanks but no or thanks, maybe." When he got to the part about the date you could tell he was uncertain and he even said 'don't hold me to it...2weeks'. He also said you may recieve an email before that time that saying you passed but don't believe it until the rest of the SYD and JNB have taken it

BTW I was talking to that girl , I forgot her name but she was an Air Canada Jazz flight attendant, and the only girl taking the assessments in NY,I should of gotten some contact info. Dang

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 17:48

Malirm

I heard from a pilot that the A320 has a higher ground effect when landing (lift reduces as it reaches the ground...negative vertical speed increases), while in the 737...The ground effect is lower...smoother landing, but sometimes you fight the 737 down when landing...
Hmmm...not too sure I agree with your logic there on Ground effect malirm. Ground effect is just that. Ground effect. When ANY aircraft gets closer to terra firma, induced drag is reduced i.e. vortices are no longer able to meet up and the wing tips. If I am wrong, please correct and enlighten me. I like to learn :ok:

When going through my last assignment about the B777-300ER & A340-500 Auto Flight Control Systems...found out that the Boeings have smoother reactions to turbulences while Airbuses do have rigid reactions (certain popular cases)... & found out that the L1011s AFCS is better...:ugh:, hope I helped (simply) enlighten other sides of this LONG comparison.If memory serves me correct, the Flight Control Law on the BUS has a function called Load Alleviation. This functions maintains a certain 'G' when in flight mode. I believe ailerons and spoilers are used in this function. AFAIK, the 737 isn't equipped with a similar system. Again, I could be wrong.

Yes it is similar but it is not the same, the airbus automates everything unless the pilot selects to turn something OFF. So it the process may be the same but the way in which they are carried out is completely different.You put the throttles full forward in an A320 the aircraft knows you're either taking off or going around, and it will set the engines to the proper N1 speed and temps (in a boeing you put the throttles full forward then retard them to get to the proper %age and temp settings ), also the auto throttle is automatically engaged so there is no reaching up to flip a switch (unlike boeing which requires you to do so).Deniz D

Well, the point is, the generic approach to flying still is the same for both types [A&B]. In addition, the takeoff parameters such as T/O N1 data, FLEX temps etc are all programmed in the FMC prior to departure. Similar set up for boeing too...names of some parameters may be different but all in all, the same thing is accomplished at the end of the day.

Safe flying!

PS Nice threads man! Keep 'em coming!:ok: Ohh..I saw you 'macking' to that young lady infront of me. I was sitting right behind her. Green Shirt.

dubble_dubble

27th Aug 2008, 18:02

ya she was cute loool

And its kinda hot , a female pilot:cool:

rawrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

malirm

27th Aug 2008, 18:39

Quote:
I heard from a pilot that the A320 has a higher ground effect when landing (lift reduces as it reaches the ground...negative vertical speed increases), while in the 737...The ground effect is lower...smoother landing, but sometimes you fight the 737 down when landing...

Reply to me

Hmmm...not too sure I agree with your logic there on Ground effect malirm. Ground effect is just that. Ground effect. When ANY aircraft gets closer to terra firma, induced drag is reduced i.e. vortices are no longer able to meet up and the wing tips. If I am wrong, please correct and enlighten me. I like to learn http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Quote:
When going through my last assignment about the B777-300ER & A340-500 Auto Flight Control Systems...found out that the Boeings have smoother reactions to turbulences while Airbuses do have rigid reactions (certain popular cases)... & found out that the L1011s AFCS is better...:ugh:, hope I helped (simply) enlighten other sides of this LONG comparison.

Reply to me

If memory serves me correct, the Flight Control Law on the BUS has a function called Load Alleviation. This functions maintains a certain 'G' when in flight mode. I believe ailerons and spoilers are used in this function. AFAIK, the 737 isn't equipped with a similar system. Again, I could be wrong.

About the ground effect...thats what I heard from a Captain in an Airline (he visits my fathers Restaurant every weekend) who worked on a 737 then a 747SP & recently on A 320, now he's trying to go back to the 747s...he never wanted to change at the begining (but no other way at that time)...bla bla bla

Well...I spent 3 weeks collecting data from ARGs & other info sources (contacted Airbus & Boeing Middle-East) + Assignment oral review, I was talkin about the 777 & the 345...I tried it...went to JFK in a 345 & back in a 777, although weather conditions are not the same everyday, found the Boeing much comfortable (when snowing).

Its like BMW or Mercedes...where everyone has his own cons & pros...I will ask my Avionics Engineer & go through the ARGs (Aircraft Reference Guide)...I have the whole Boeing fleet (737 to 777) & the A320-200 + A330-200 + A340-500 Familiarization presentations (might get something)...I'm ready to get this on for my Graduation Project...

Back to Piloting, I got a Scolarship from DAE Flight Academy...one of the top schools in Asia, just have to reply before Nov., what would you go for guys; a scholarship course (no pay back on a Pro Rata basis) but mostly end up in a A320 of a sponsor (unknown airline) or EY cadet pilot...NOTE: DAE company ordered over 100 aircrafts for Leasing...they might use their own pilots to fly for an airline...:confused: :ugh:

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 19:11

Back to Piloting, I got a Scolarship from DAE Flight Academy...one of the top schools in Asia, just have to reply before Nov., what would you go for guys; a scholarship course (no pay back on a Pro Rata basis) but mostly end up in a A320 of a sponsor (unknown airline) or EY cadet pilot...NOTE: DAE company ordered over 100 aircrafts for Leasing...they might use their own pilots to fly for an airline...http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/confused.gif :ugh:

If the scholarship guarantees you a gig, then go for it [Get it in writing!] EY's cadet program guarantees you a slot on the 320 so, you wouldn't be depending on a sponsorship airline on getting your first gig.

Good luck to you. Ohh...keep me informed with the info you get in the ARG. I like to learn!:ok:

Cheers all :)

dubble_dubble

27th Aug 2008, 19:50

Btw,

did anyone who landed @JFK on the 24th see the Emirates A380???

I landed arounded 5.15pm on the 24th and saw the beast parked:ok:

Man she's a beauty and ironically, right beside it was a 747!

Thats another one crossed off the to-do list :E

DenizD

27th Aug 2008, 20:37

Bradda, of course the same thing is accomplished the flying stays the same the planes just get bigger. The thing is the whole functionality between airbus and boeing is much different. The airbus product makes sure that inmost instances you cannot exceed certain parameters, unlike boeing who is just... well,boeing.

Bottom line, the airbus is more user friendly and makes it easier to transition through the models.Im gonna try to post some stuff.

zwarriorz

27th Aug 2008, 20:46

I have been inside the Emirates A380 when it was visiting SFO 2 weeks ago. My brother's friend works for Emirates' SFO supply company and he was able to bring me up there for a few minutes.

It is HUGE! I was like OMG when I was upstairs and saw the first class cabins - individual suites with door! Not to mention you get to take a shower at 40k feet.

I wasn't allowed to bring my camera, otherwise I would love to share some images from the trip.

Matt101

27th Aug 2008, 20:57

lets consider, if they were paying $36000 annually ($3000 per month) and then 40% from that, would bring the annual pay to $21600...(a lot less than what majority makes)... money is certainly not an issue for me, but thats what i feel that ppl would be interested... i mean its a great program, but then some ppl would be concious about the wage...

I think you should check out the runmeration package and allowances for their FO's even minus 40% I'm surprised it would bother people that much.

But then It's about the flying for me too. I hope it is for every person who gets the cadetship.

Bradda G

27th Aug 2008, 21:01

Bradda, of course the same thing is accomplished the flying stays the same the planes just get bigger. The thing is the whole functionality between airbus and boeing is much different. The airbus product makes sure that inmost instances you cannot exceed certain parameters, unlike boeing who is just... well,boeing.Well, we agree on that! Two different philosophies in their approach to systems. IMHO, the BUS is okay but I PREFER Boeing! Specifically the 727. You familiar with Horse Charter @ KFRG? I used to love working on that bird.

DenizD

28th Aug 2008, 03:00

I loved watching the 727 take off runway 19, yes 19, not 14 but tell me why we could hear the APU all the way from the other side of D+K.The 727 APU is as loud as both the G-IV's engines at half power. It's a nice plane but due to it's swept wing on landing if you did not have enough power it would sink...fast.

On another note I am guessing that the handling of the A319,A320,A321 would be the same since they all have the same wingspan. I am preparing some pictures to post I'm not done yet.

malirm

28th Aug 2008, 06:36

You are lucky...I saw it in 3 different Situations:

1-Dubai Airshow 2005

2-Dubai Airshow 2007

3- Hangar G in DXB Emirates Engineering (Lay-Over) & for a GVI (General Visual Inspection)...man it was HUGE (specially when you stand under it), I had my supervisor shouting at me when I touched the Elevators...I got my head hit the flap fairings too :ugh: :{...that was on the 19th of Aug 08...

kuzukuzu

28th Aug 2008, 06:59

Ok it seems the details for the Australian venue have been released, well I've received the email anyhow. :)

MAINTAINVERTICALSPD!

28th Aug 2008, 07:02

JNB applicants: check your mail. :)

rcswing

28th Aug 2008, 07:54

yup ...that's correct .. just got the details of the assessment in Sydney..

see you all there !

Gemstone

28th Aug 2008, 09:10

I booked my tickets on Sunday already... my family lives in Joburg so I get to see them! I'm going up on Wednesday evening and leaving on Thursday night.

I've just received the email telling us when and where. So excited!

Bradda G

28th Aug 2008, 10:53

Yeah man! I remember a few departures off RWY 19. When the 727 is light, the bird can really go! Have you ever seen 'em do a "soft field" takeoff on 14? They do it when they are not so heavy and want to rocket off on FRG 3 departure with those JT8D low bypass turbofans. Wonderful aircraft to work with. As tough as RAMBO! Only aircraft that competes with the 727 for the world's loudest WHINER is the Lear 24. Those CJ610's pack a serious punch on the decibel scale! Try marshaling one of those whiners off your ramp. Your ears will ring like a bell!

As for the lil buses' handling, they all handle the same bro'. That's the nature of FBW.

Regards,
Bradda

ashmunn

28th Aug 2008, 12:44

hey guys ... got the email too, who else is at 9am for SYD ?? :ok:

dubble_dubble

28th Aug 2008, 14:24

Hey guys, so Sydeney is on the 16th and Johsburg on the 18th of september??

Lowspirited

28th Aug 2008, 15:43

anyone wanna share a room in the hotel they're holding the assessment in for sydney?....its around 300/night single...

tom775257

28th Aug 2008, 15:51

Guys and girls, a quick comment, are you seriously debating the pros and cons of the first jet you will fly, common Boeing or the Bus, who cares.

Speaking to a director at the airline I work for about the 787s we are getting, he was quite hacked off that Boeing were insisting on having the pointless MS flightsim-esque force feedback yoke that adds about 1400kg (3,080 lbs) of mass that shouldn't be there, apart from Boeing not being able to admit Airbus et al were correct about the side stick. Boeing saying the pilots need to be able to squeeze more performance out of the aircraft than the systems can give with correct full envelope protection - what a load of bull.

The A320 is ace, yes lots of computers, but a few months back I flew a couple of circuits everything off, nothing including no bird or ILS tuned.. raw data and visual flying..just like a cessna (Except no trim) - flies beautifully. Flown the bus one engine idle, in windshear, alpha floor 67deg AOB. Cracking piece of kit. Ground speed mini is ace, if you understand it.

Just perusing the thread, one comment I would like to add is that many of the Etihad cabin crew are beautiful.... spent last new years eve at a cabin crew party in Abu Dhabi...nice! Enjoy the large battered prawns and the lamb chops. Oooh and the lamb/garlic meat balls nice... oooh and the mixed fruit starter. hmmm... I miss the crew food. Don't miss the airspace though, in Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Syria etc wouldn't fancy an emergency much!

Good luck dudes and dudettes! Marina mall and Al Wahada mall food courts, welcome to your new home.

DenizD

28th Aug 2008, 16:51

I don't even know who this guy is, but even he likes airbus lol

No we talking about the 737 and if it were a good trainer or transition for those who would go on to fly the 777.

One thing about the old lears is they have the same fuel burn on the ground as they do in the air, so when holding short of the runway they are on 1 engine and when they takeoff after they get handed off to departure, they call up and say: "departure Lear 25D is 1,900 request FL400" so eventhoguh they may have been told to C+M 3000 they would always ask for their cruise just so they wouldn't use all their gas down low.
Aside from that, I miss flying IFR and being cleared FRG3. I remember I took my bro to Bridgeport Conneticut and it was in hard IFR. We broke out above the clouds for about a second then control started our approach but that flight was the day after I got my instrument rating. I was told that I had (in my training) received more actual IFR time than most of the instructors. It was a fun flight and I love SP IFR flying.

I remember at the hotel in NYC there was some kid that said he flew the Cirrus and he kept going on about it so this is directed at him:

It can't do all that stuff, it is comfortable but not Ideal, and the only 'cool thing' about it is not the EGPWS it's the XM satellite radio. Fin

SAS-A321

28th Aug 2008, 17:53

Please keep this thread about the Etihad Airways Cadet Pilot Program only.

If you want to discuss other stuff then start a new thread or send a PM to each other.

DenizD

28th Aug 2008, 18:28

Hey SAS I see your from Denmark,did you take the assessments in Europe?

I don't see what the problem is, this thread is still about Etihad, one of the cadet hopefuls posed a question about transitioning through equipment and we are just having a discussion based off of that. Also 'SAS' now that most of the candidates have taken the tests this thread faces extinction this is how we are keeping the thread alive while we wait for results.

The truth is
Etihad has Airbuses, we are talking about Airbuses
Etihad has Boeings, and we are talking about Boeings
Etihad has airplanes that fly, we are talking about planes and flying

It's a non event

owenoundle

28th Aug 2008, 19:35

Hi,

Found this link.. pretty cool. 3D A380 cockpit

Airbus A380 - cockpit | p a n o r e p o r t a g e | g i l l e s v i d a l (http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm)

thought you guys would like...

David

sarmer

28th Aug 2008, 20:52

Hey Gemstone,

I am also going up on wednesday, staying with family and coming back Thursday.

Good luck to all the JHB candidates!:)

Narayan

28th Aug 2008, 21:37

Hey aussies and afrikaans tell me how many come to your test when you take it, they got 50 spots or so, and if 200(50 in each of the 4 test locations) people world wide take the test then that means about 25 percent of us will get in.

malirm

28th Aug 2008, 22:52

SYD & JNB cadets...is it possible to have someone of u to ask a question for me on the assessment day...(I'll give it to you just before you go), it is nothing related to type of questions or info of any type on the testing.

Regards,

Ali :ok:

DenizD

29th Aug 2008, 02:59

It's only been three days since the tests in NY! I could of sworn today was Sept 1st!

VH-JPS

29th Aug 2008, 05:51

Although talking about Boeing and Airbus is related to Etihad, it isn't related to the actual thread itself, 'Etihad Cadet Pilot Programme'. And im pretty sure that when you're in the cadet programme itself, you won't be flying Airbus or Boeing aircraft. You may as well start a new thread concerning the topic, anyway, it'll keep this thread clean for people who are interested in JUST the programme, which is what the thread's title says.

Cheers

NielZAR

29th Aug 2008, 06:30

Ill be there :ok: coming up from Durbs, 4th South African now I think,,,:confused:

forssi

29th Aug 2008, 07:57

NielZAR,

Do you have any flying experience, flight ops experience, any aviation related qualifications?

And my question to everyone else is:

Do you think having these under your belt an advantage in a selection like this?

NielZAR

29th Aug 2008, 08:15

Ive got a SPL, soon to be PPL in the next few months and busy with Matric :). Need to work on my maths skills for now becuz Im not the best at it,,,,,,:eek:

U??

forssi

29th Aug 2008, 08:22

Flying for 6 years, 20 hours to go for ME IR CPL

2 years ops experience

BCom Aviation Management degree

:)

NielZAR

29th Aug 2008, 08:25

Schweet!. Does anyone know if everyone who applied got invited or did they invite only a few?

forssi

29th Aug 2008, 08:28

So far i think there are 5 people on here that are going...i'm guestimating that here will be about 15 people or so.

SavannahIce

29th Aug 2008, 09:52

Some of you have already been told about the details for the JHB meeting by Etihad. My question is: If you have only filled in the application online recently, is it too late to get a reply telling you about JHB?
I hope not, i want to see all of you in JHB in September! :ok: So, holding thumbs!:)

DenizD

29th Aug 2008, 19:54

If you submitted it too late then your screwed.

Any who, to the haters:
This program guarantees applicants an A320 type rating so whats wrong with being hopeful and talking about a plane we may get tofly? It doesn't matter.

As of 3:46PM E.S.T today this thread has been inactive for almost 10 hours despite numerous PM's on the subject yet no posts in the forum I have decided to adopt a motion that would create another Etihad Cadet Pilot thread, but this one will be for those who have already taken the assessment and are waiting for a response.

Can someone (who has already taken the assessments in either FRA, LHR, NYC ) second this motion?

(p.s....
I don't care if you don't but a new thread is going up tonight!)

skhan11

29th Aug 2008, 21:06

Hey bud, you aren't "screwed". Don't worry about it man. What they said about the future assessments is that they would be much more well organized than current way of applying and being called to come to an assessment. I think the exact thing the captain said was for next year it will go something like this:

1) You apply or send us an email, saying that you are interested in attending an assessment.
2) For next year, they will hold a session in different parts of the globe ever month (so 12 places, 12 months)
3) They will post the schedule for these 12 places maybe as late as the end of this year (don't quote me on the 12 places, nothing written in stone)
4) You tell them which session you would like to attend. So if your in North America you do it somewhere in North America, rather then flying all the way to Australia.
5) You just have to meet the minimum requirements (age, medically fit, high-school) and they will invite you to the assessment.

So really, nothing to worry about. If you never made it this year, you will get your shot at the trophy one day, that is for sure!

To the NY fellas that also were at the assessment, do correct me if I am wrong.

As for Deniz, yeah buddy, I will second your motion! Since me, you, and MjetR met up the night before the assessment, you have my vote on this...
But dude, that will be more work for Etihad as they would have to keep track of another forum, and I think they are quite busy as it is. No?

Peace

skhan11

29th Aug 2008, 21:25

Hey man, no worries. As for the applications question I do not know much about that. Your best bet would be to check on this forum every now and then to see what the deal is, or more importantly they would put information regarding the Etihad assessments for next year on their careers website for sure! (don't know when that would be though). I think the Etihad team is busy dealing with the first set of cadet candidates for this year, but when this is over, rest assured they will need more cadets! What I do know however, or what I have heard is that your application status (blank, under-review) does NOT mean anything.

Hope that helps,

Cheers, and good luck to you too buddy.