Vietnam Airlines (info please)

[V2+30 Flaps Up]

Let's hope so :)

Previous rumors mentioned something about the current down time in hiring and a change in management and salaries at VA.

[Geebz]

What is the latest ATR72 T&Cs? Generally.

[jumpdrive]

easy mate

fly & work little
tons of days off

[olepilot]

All bets are off!!

[Geebz]

And what is the total pay package on the ATR there?

[UALSIC]

Aint that the truth Ole :)

[jumpdrive]

guys i think u should email
parc, ****worth or europacific
4 the numbers

[yanafrica]

with ****worth
Option A:
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month

Option B:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month

Option C:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month

The above payment and roster patterns will apply from 14 days after commencement of Ground
School. For the first 13 days you will receive $65 per day plus hotel accommodation and ground
transportation provided by Vietnam Airlines.

Parc
doesn't take anybody for the moment but should start again in FEB

Europacific
8400 $ same pattern as above

[Lost in Saigon]

with ****worth
Option A:
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month

Option B:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month

Option C:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month

Sorry, which position are those numbers for?

[yanafrica]

sorry this is for ATR 72 capt
received in DEC 08

[Dream Land]

Anyone wanting information, feel free to send me a message, don't ask me about contract details, only the contractors have this, contracts are continuously changing, my information relates to working conditions.

Cheers, D.L.

[spinproof]

Newbies to HCMC looking for apartments email me [email protected] . I have access to three properties close to airport and shopping. All very nice with maid service.
Spin

[UALSIC]

Anyone looking for a house near 919 (crew HQ) - walking distance ? Me and my roomate are looking for one more in a 4 Bedroom 5 bathroom house. Rent is 1600 USD/month(total) plus utilities and maid ($150 total per month).

Email me - [email protected]

[spm]

Hi, how are you

my name is Stirling and Im starting in Vietnam on Feb 3rd. A good friend of mine is starting ont eh same course so we are interested in finding a nice affordable 2 bedroom near the airport...Do you know of any available and how much do you think it will be??

thanks

Stirling

[flyingfrogman]

Sorry guy, cannot help you with info. But I am sure, as soon as you are there your fellow pilots will give you plenty of information about that matter.

But I have another question. Is it right that momentarily Vietnam Airlines grounded some aircraft? Not due to AOG or lack of pilots but due to decreasing flight booking. I hope this is not true, someone told me this. There might be much stupid talking sometimes.

[spinproof]

Not to worry they are full steam ahead with aggressive growth plans!!!!
Besides if they need more money they just print it!!!!!;)

[Geebz]

No pay for first 2 weeks? Why?

[Sitting Bull]

Hi

Anyone knows when the next A330 captain interviews will be held?

Thanks

[UALSIC]

You get payed by the contract companies at the end of every month. When in groundschool (2 weeks) you get payed 65.00 USD for per diem.

Why? - because it is in the contract.

[jumpdrive]

look it from this side
youll get paid from day 15
thats officially your day 1

the 1st 2 weeks????.........
tell him johnny what he won!!!!!
YOU'll pay 4 a nice holiday in SGN
well actually inside FTC & 2 trips to HAN

c ya

[UALSIC]

That's different than I experienced - 2 weeks room is covered by VAC. Yes you will have to pay for food $8 USD a day if you take advantage of the free breakfast buffet in the lobby.

We went up to Hanoi just once and did the test and medical same day.

[olepilot]

A friend of mine has
"Chamber Property"
they can help you and I can recomend them.
Contact Nick or Tuyen.
[email protected] +841238002915
[email protected] +84935312861

[rjh340]

Any knews of when the next A330 will be on property?
Also has anyone heard of interviews for A330 positions?

[fokkerjet]

Anybody currently flying the Fokker 70?

[Lost in Saigon]

When I was there in 2003-2006, only Vietnamese nationals flew the F70's.

I see now that they are advertising, so that must have changed.......

[fokkerjet]

I'm still seeing ads for F70 Captains......

[Dream Land]

Yes, expat hiring on the F70. :cool:

[jumpdrive]

theyre taking f/o's 4 the f70
and lots of applicants 4 atr
new clases starting evry month

[Deske1]

And are there any good-or at least bad-news for the A320 applicants?

[THRidle]

I don't know about the A320, but the 330 has been put on hold until late March with, at this stage, recruiting to start again about mid April.

[LeChuck]

Same for the A320 according to one of the agencies.

Nevertheless, I would say April and the months ahead will see some recruitment activity at VA.

Keep positive, cheers

[juzlime]

there's a vacancy for a330 now. check it out. Untitled Document (http://www.ppjn.com)

[juzlime]

new vacancy for a330 fo. check it out.. ppjn.com

[yanafrica]

when will be the next screening for ATR Capt.?
been selected but still waiting for a date.
thanks

[THRidle]

Yanafrica, your best bet would be to contact the recruitment agency that told you that you had been accepted. They should have the most upto date info.

[nona]

I'm going saigon next week. any info where to go? hang out and having some fun? thanks!

[yanafrica]

thanks i already did but nothing back yet.
i just wanted some update from insiders.
cheers

[UALSIC]

Apocalypse Now to have fun.........District 1 :ok:

Others are the Q Bar....Cage Bar....Vasco's....

[jumpdrive]

bounce is good place but mainly locals, chicks really hot
you have also gossip, 17 saloon, Lush, saigon saigon bar & rio saigon

[nona]

is there like a massage in bankok you can find in saigon? thanks bro!

[UALSIC]

There is even one in your hotel on the 4th floor of the Ramana where you are housed for 2 weeks.......

Short answer is a HELL yes.......:ok:

[nona]

kidding aside please!

[Luke Darkstar]

You will find anything you like and you are looking for in Saigon. Serious and for joy. Don't worry. Just come and find out.
What is still missing you can get in your vacation days abroad. For me it is not really much.

[juzlime]

Does anybody know hows the pay like for FO A330? n the routes expats fly to on the 330.

[THRidle]

Glad to see we are back on thread again !!

[Luke Darkstar]

@juzlime

check your pm for payscale

routes as said before: in the moment SGN, HAN, DAD, ICN and KIX, maybe any additional routes starting in May.

[varigflier]

What about routes for the 777???

[SonnyCrockett]

Whats a typical duty day on the 320? How many legs? Layovers or return to base?

[Shteck]

What about routes for the 777???

HAN, CDG, FRA, DME, SYD, MEL, NRT, KIX, ICN,

[juzlime]

i jz got a reply from parc.. yup its stil d same payscale.. anyway, if dats jz d route for 330, easy job isnt it? i guess u dun have to do too many sectors a day on a wide body..

[UALSIC]

Anybody find my GOLD brick under my A320/FO seat lately? :}

[Hogcapt]

6.2 kilos wrapped in 5 individual packs? No,....Haven't seen it...

[jumpdrive]

i know i know ...............yes of course
maybe the purser took it home
when she/he was wiping out the entire stock of catering during descent
'cause if they do it after ldg, ground staff will not give them any chance
he he he

[varigflier]

Thanks for the info Shteck.:ok:

[spinproof]

May not have heard this correctly but the crew was at the hotel and they called them back? How does that implicate them if it wasn't in their possession?

[RoosterChange]

Ever since all these furlought "ong nam" invaded Vietnam Airlines, the overall standard of professionalism declined noticeable, even here on pprune now.

At least the Kiwis are helping to fight back!:ouch:

[Dream Land]

May not have heard this correctly but the crew was at the hotel and they called them back? How does that implicate them if it wasn't in their possession?Prior to this incident expats had nothing to worry about, contract agencies are now working with VAC to fix the situation. :rolleyes:

[spinproof]

...by the way I heard you were a gold brick!!!!!!!!;)

[UALSIC]

Spinproof........ :}

[EX BLUE STORK]

Roosterchange

Maybe you should write the truth as certain recent incidents involving Kiwi's certainly indicates the opposite.

[spinproof]

OK after 570 posts Im not about to let this die...bump to the front!

[flyingfrogman]

What is the aircraft situation this year?
How many aircraft are coming and are some aircraft going away? In any fleet - A320 A330 or B777? Any changes in ATR fleet as well?

[hermione]

So true.
Used to work for Vietnam Airlines 4 years, Parc´s was the best support ever.
Do trust them.:ok:

[kiwilad]

What is the accommodation costs like in HoChiMinh at the moment?
Are 3-4bedroom apartments more common than houses?
Are the new ATR's ordered replacements of the older ones or expansion?

Cheers:ok:

[Geebz]

Heard from a chap today who was laid off from ATR operator when they went bankrupt. He says Vietnam Air is not taking any more ATR pilots. Any truth to this?

[THRidle]

Don't know about the ATR, but I have been told they do not want any A330 skippers at this stage.

[jumpdrive]

still looking for more ATR skyppers
more 330 pilots joined last month
just apply & take u'r chances
they also need a lot of f/o's on the 777

[viking320]

any info on the A320 Capts and FOs when the interviews will start again
whats the situation is many Aircrafts sitting on ground????

[jumpdrive]

last gossip is that they wont take more a/c this year
& so the screening has been put on hold for the 'bus

[Dream Land]

Two A330's arriving in April, interviewing for ATR continues.

[Mister]

What about the Fokker 70s, will they recruit for those?.

Regards.

[mach 84]

most needed is 777 F/O but hardly available on the free market at the moment.
A-330 will be delayed for the next coming month, 4 to come this year but if possible they will take only 2.
F-70 is pretty full, operated by vietnamese only except one hungarian captain.

[varigflier]

That's weird. Rishworth is not advertising the VAC 777 FO job anymore and neither is Parc.......

[lostcomm]

What about A320? Any news? Parc and Rishworth say April. Thanks.

LC

[RandyBMC]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he asked...

Thanks!
Randy

[ADFS]

Hi, I was invited to screening back in November,then advised screening was cancelled until further notice, (just as I had budgeted:mad::mad::mad: the airfare to CDG, visa and miscellaneous expenses )thinking I would be re-called but now that I´ll be laid off in April and really need the job I have been advised by Parc that VAC no longer wants to screen me.....mysterious mysterious.

[chai ja]

Hi all,

If I were to live in BKK and work for Vietnam, would I permitted to commute back to BKK on solid days off?
During your 6 weeks ON , how often are there nightstops?
The roster during the 6 weeks ON, is it set in stone ie. 5 days on 2 off?

Cheers
CJA

[Dream Land]

It helps to know what airframe, B777, A330, A320, ATR 72, F-70?

If I were to live in BKK and work for Vietnam, would I permitted to commute back to BKK on solid days off?
During your 6 weeks ON , how often are there nightstops?
The roster during the 6 weeks ON, is it set in stone ie. 5 days on 2 off

There is no non-reving if that's what you want to do.

[fatbus]

What is the pay for a 330 capt 4 weeks on /off.

Thanks

[Lost in Saigon]

A320 ...

Sorry Dreamland,pardon my ignorance:O -- what is the meaning of "non-reving"?

Thanks v much


What he means is that you will have to pay full fare to fly back and forth from Thailand to Vietnam.

There are no reciprocal jump seat privileges with Vietnam Airlines.

[chai ja]

Thanks v much for that.
Could anybody shed some light on what kind of duty days there are please and is there a fixed roster pattern during the 6 weeks on (ie. 5 on 2 off)

cheers
cj

[viking320]

Anyone

who is the Chief pilot.
Head office location.
any direct entry
all details would be great

[jumpdrive]

a Jerk
hanoi
no
ask sparc or ****worth

[THRidle]

Fatbus, 4 on/4 off sounds good, but they are only interested in people who will do 6 on/2 off.

4 and 4 will be looked at further down the track.

[Lost in Saigon]

Anyone

who is the Chief pilot.
Head office location.
any direct entry
all details would be great

All hiring for foreigners is done through agencies like PARC, Rishworth, and Euro Pacific. Contact one of them for information.

There is no point in contacting anyone directly at Vietnam Airlines. It may possibly even piss someone off. In Asia you must follow proper procedures and protocol. Doing otherwise could cause someone to "Lose Face".

They do take direct entry Captains if that is what you are asking.

In fact most Captains on contract are hired directly to the Captain position. There have been a few F/O upgrades but you have to pay for the training and put up a bond. Not many have done it.

[spm]

lost in saigon,

what do you mean you have to pay for the upgrade and put up a bond. Is it not one or other???

thanks

[Lost in Saigon]

As stupid as it sounds, yes, they want you to pay for the training, AND also put up a $30,000 3 YEAR training bond.

I believe the training is actually paid by either Vietnam Airlines or your contractor, (PARC, Rishworth, Euro Pacific) and then it is paid back by payroll deduction.

After the upgrade, you will be making about $2,000 a month more which is also the amount you have deducted each month until you are fully repaid.

So in effect you put up the $30,000 bond, get trained without pay, then re-pay the training for about 2 years. After 3 years you bond is up and you can leave or stay.

I believe this is the way it was done for 767 CA to 777 CA upgrades, and also 320 FO to 320 CA upgrades.

I am no longer at Vietnam Airlines so I can't say for certain if it is still done this way.

[jkochan]

Hi
Does anyone know what is the ATR situation in Vietnam.Are they still hiring skippers?I am in touch with Rishworth...but they are unable to say anything...constructive.

[jumpdrive]

still looking 4 more
heard they need @ least 10 more skippers
but...............come through PARC
simply better

[yanafrica]

hi
i'm exactly in the same situation according to my agency i have been selected for screening.
but i m waiting for a sim date since JAN 09 .
i tried to contact PARC but as long as they are not advertising on their site they do not take any application.
the only info i got is: they should (VAC) resume screening for ATR in mid april
b###sh## or truth ???? who knows
any infos will be very nice
thanks

[jkochan]

ASA I know anything I will let You know.For the time being it is virtually a desert.I mean ATR desert.No one seems to know anything.India is launching sth called Decc...sth.But the roster is...hmmm..nth special...wages as usual with sth less on accom.Vietnam looks promising..but it is impossible to reverse the clock by half a year:)

[jumpdrive]

no BS
its very difficult 4 them (VAC) to find SIM slots just to do screenings
priority goes obvios 1st to sim's 4 the house pilots going on all the time
and AATC is always, you might know, full all the time
if they hapen to give you a sim date, better take, cause to get another 1 in the near future .................mmm. possible but tough
friend of mine said no to the 1st date they gave him , then waited 4 months the next 1
again its a case by case basis, some with more luck than others
keep it up
:ok:

[yanafrica]

Jumpdrive
thanks for your infos actually that's exactly what i thought (about the slot) the problem is the total lack of communication from the agencies.
give me a date tomorrow i ll be there yesterday.
cheers

[Dream Land]

Sorry to butt in but actually your agency is the one that isn't getting information, they will do everything possible to get you online as soon as possible, the wheels of progress turn very slowly at the airline, it is run by the government here and decisions can be very bogged down. Even if you were to contact one of the fleet managers in Vietnam, they may not be able to give you any answer, keep in close contact with your agency consultant!

Good luck, D.L.

[jkochan]

I take it You work for them:)Any chance for a few how it is down there?.I mean accom.food,girls,transportation:)The thing is some other copanies are taking now..I would like to wait for Vietnam though...and this lack of "yes","no".or "maybe" is quite disturbing.I am not pushing the hiring company as well cause I suspect they are also in the mist right now..Best regards
JK

[jumpdrive]

accomodation...........from cheap to expensive & super luxury, from 500 bucks a month to $6,000 a house in district 2, but normally good houses & good apartments go from $800 to $2000, some like it close to the office in the airport area others far away in district 7 south of city aprox 15 to 17 km's from airport)

food............from all over the place, also, some places are too expensive

girls.....................well...........ahhh..........heave n! (((sorry female pilot's)))

and yes its true other companies are hiring, i think som guys will end up in cebu pacific, theyre paying a lot, 11K for line capt & 12,5K for TRI, that for sure will get the attention of some skippers

the yes or no, its in theyre blood...............like DL said it , its government runed airline, so evrything here is "status quo"

[jkochan]

Yeah...so I heard-Cebu is hiring.Though I have some passing probs with acquiring the Citizenship:)Heard they are taking only nationals.Morocco is starting shop right now.

[coolhand1]

5J is taking on expat skippers dudes. F/O recruitment restricted to nationals. And by the way, don't get too excited about the money because the time off isn't paid !!:{

[hs32gs]

hello!can you let me know where is 5J.thanks

[jumpdrive]

even with the month OFF not being paid ...... still salary is 10K more per year
with the big plus that U get confirmed ticket all the way home evrytime off
not just to CDG or FRA, u save a lot of money there , depending on your base
dont know the place, or airline.....some say its good, others dont
well never be satisfied he he he he i guess :{

5J is the IATA code of cebu ;)


keep it up :ok:

[ojguilty]

Thanks for the info, Jump. Do you know if Cebu hires through an agency, and if so, which one?

[Geebz]

To VAC ATR skippers: Not too long ago VAC had a deal whereby ATR drivers could upgrade to the Bus. Am I correct in assuming the economy has ended that program? Will it start up again? If so, what would be a realistic time-frame to upgrade to A320 capt? 3yrs? 5 yrs?

[jumpdrive]

the economy has not ended anything
here the flights are with very high loads
market here its very diff compared to india or thailand 4 example
its growing more and more

the deal is still on
the contract says a minimum of 3 years in to enter the pool
again , you'll go up, depending on need & your performance
and maybe just maybe how cool the guys in hanoi think you are
it will also help to have a key local contact to push things a little bit with the big gun's to put your name on the table, or below the table he he
now,............ they say its a case by case thing
and that you could be elegible "now" after completing 2 years in, this is verbal, not in papper, so still the 36 month's is the rule ,....its in evryones contract,........... & by the way, you can also chose to go onto the 777 f/o, they need lot's of those right now, many many flights on that bird are being done by 2 capt's

now the other factor that might have (or for sure did in my opinion) influenced any decision from them , & here are a couple of examples
1st is that captain's go and do the type/rating outside Vietnam............cool thats ok, fair enough, you can do it on your holiday, nice & easy, maybe the instructor its your pal, & its in your home town.............,.....but..............eh eh eh , hold your horses........... not too good from the local's point of view...............thats MONEY they don't get from each pilot willing to give away a rating of 22K + the bond PLUS.....yes plus.....the salary you don't receive while in ground class & sim!, you will only start getting paid, after your 1st line training flight..................ANDDDDDD:sad:..........only 90% of the salary..........................MINUS..............yes minus whatever you must pay back to the agency for the rating
remember that dozen's of pocket's must & need to be filled up with each rating a foreigner here does!
the last example & most talked about in the gossip magazines was the case of the last 2 ATR skippers that went on the 'bus type rating
& how they did after more than a year into the thing......................horrible:mad:
it has to be the longest type rating class in the world........................result.......................bo th failed, 1 of them is back on the ATR (lucky if you ask me that they took him.............well maybe not, he also had to pay to get current "again" on the ATR sim, rumour say around 10K extra on the bank bill) and the other capt (clever 1) staying on the bus .........but as f/o ,.....they say for 6 month's, ..............who knows ?:sad:

lot of money spend, or put it like this not received
you could say you've earn it............but thats the vietnamese way:} like it or not, it doesnt make sense, but in this troubled times......it's "show me the money" or in the local slang..........no money no honey.............like the girls in apocalypse :{

realistic time frame:confused:...........................that doesnt exist man

sorry, for the good or bad news

now remember not all details are given in full by the agencies
maybe one more than the other, but, still, like all agencias,
they just want theyre cut, and quite simpluy forget about you
they dont care if your dreams is the 320 or 380

it's not personal it's simply a big big business
and evryone want's a share of it

again make it clear with the agency you might be dealing with
needless to say ................put it on papper

:ok:

[kiwilad]

ojguilty, Cebu hire directly or I think they have an ad done by Magellen Air Services.
Look up the Cebu thread and search for Sam Avila as he has put his email address on for contacting direct for positions at Cebu.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
:ok:

[varigflier]

So where are the ads for the 777 that everyone keeps talking about? I can´t seem to find them anymore.

[juzlime]

seems like people talking about upgrade even before they got in.. thats a lil too ambitious i think. anyway, anybody got a screening session coming up really soon? or even offer on the table alredy? and y is cebu on this page?

[austra1998]

hi,

are you guys flying on a validation of your license or had to convert?

thanks a lot for the reply,

all the best,

austra

[mach 84]

you have to convert, but it's no big deal!

[MDT06]

http://http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=16277
Vietnam Airlines set to buy 10 A321s, join SkyTeam

Wednesday April 15, 2009


Vietnam Airlines received government permission to move forward with the purchase of 10 A321-200s for delivery in the 2011-14 period and to join the SkyTeam alliance, according to press reports from Vietnam

[Geebz]

Hey Jumpdrive... thanks for the explanation. That program doesn't work for me. I suppose for some newby Captain who would otherwise not get the opportunity to upgrade to a jet it's a good deal.

I rec'd the contract from rish, $65/ day in training? Training for a plane I'm already current and qual'd on? No thanks. It's too bad, Vietnam seems like a fun place to work.

As long as I have a job, I'll avoid places that don't pay me for my time.

[ninja_turtle]

What are the requirements for a 777 F/O contract position at Vietnam ?

Type Rated on 777 ? Yes / NO

Can X amount of Hours on Narrow Body Jet get one to the seat provided one is agreeable to the T&C ?

What would the T&C be ?

Any infos appreciated .. Many thanks ..

[mach 84]

you must be type-rated with at least 300 hours as F/O on the 777, 500 hours would be better to be in, at the moment they are upgrading 320 F/O's to the 777 but the supply is limited so you can have a chance to get in, however you will get a F/O contract and will stay as F/O! even you have the hours for upgrading. every local pilot will bypass you to be upgraded if he has the required hours for upgrading.

[ninja_turtle]

Mach 84 , Thank you ..

I am a 737 F/O with a lot more hours than that .

Do I have to pay for the type rating ?

What is the pay package ?

I hear you on the upgrade and thats ok given the present scenario where I am .. At some point in time I will move back to a place where I can get it when things are better ..

Many Thanks again ..

[juzlime]

So whats happening now?

[yanafrica]

looks like agencies are looking for driver on ATR
saw an ads on Direct Personnel(new one), Parc, Euro Pacific , R......th, .
does anybody got a sim date with one of them.
thanks.

[Airbus320Asia]

can anybody inform me details details about screening at vietnam airlines.Any information about direct personnel how reliable are they .

[airplanedriver]

HI Sorry if I may be asking something which has already been answered, but there are too many threads to go through!!!

My question is, are Vietnam Airlines recruiting on their A330 fleet? I'm type rated and have 4000 hours on 330/340, as FO but I'm not current. What possibilities for me of joining? I'm also A320 type rated, around 300 hour on type.

Also do they have any sought of command scheme for first officers? Would much appreciate if anyone could answer my questions.. Cheers

[B737NG]

The part of liable I can assure you. I was with DPI on contract over 10 Years ago and we are still in contact now and then. Some of the people there are still working in Administration after all the years.

Vietnam is fun and I never had a problem there. I just flew to SGN last month again and had a great time again. People where nice and we visitet Vietnam AL again for handling.

Fly safe and land happy

NG

[Jimmy Do Little]

Sorry Dreamland,pardon my ignorancehttp://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/embarass.gif -- what is the meaning of "non-reving"?


An odd question for someone who meets the experience requirement. :hmm:

[ia1166]

i've just read the last few posts here.

jumpdrive, i respectfully suggest that you have no idea why the latest ATR drivers failed the upgrade and your post is a joke.

mate you are not in training. So don't talk out of place.

They both failed for good reason, after a lot more hours than most. as far as i am aware the bloke that stayed on the bus had to pay for a right hand seat conversion.

The upgrade. just because you pay doesn't mean you'll pass. the same for the command upgrade. Don't expect to pay 20 grand and get some free bars in your mail box.

[jumpdrive]

.......mate......
......."my opinion" or/& "rumour" very clearly i stated those words in that post
the one really clueless or wondering around what i am or not
if i'm in training or not is U
& if you really think that in order to have an opinion "here":ugh:....hello!!!! "romour network" :}
one must be TRE or TRI
well............mate..........that's your business
anyway i think and believe (as well as many other TRE's & TRI's say both local & foreign) that they failed due lack of;
assertiveness + attitude + knowledge + skill's
keep it up................mate

[ia1166]

Jump drive. Your post quite clearly suggests many things, most of them untrue. The guys failed for reasons way above your pay scale. So in fact the whole post is irrelevant drivel.

and your last post is quite frankly more of the same.

[ia1166]

and in any event there are only 5 ex pat tres here including myself. I know what they all think so please do not try to educate me on the internal workings of the training department. stick to what you know.

which isn't much by what i read.

[Eyes of Truth]

Well ia1166

Any department is only as good as the people they have in it. Don't pretend it's all roses there.

Some of the local TRE are quite lacking in technical knowledge and CRM. They do not posess the background or skills to be TRE's and would no be anywhere else. And that is a fact.

Also that portuguese TRE is a nasty piece of work. Neither liked nor respected by his peers and should be weeded out.

That being sayed there are also a lot of good people there, including most probably yourself.

But don't vouch for some of the other specimens there. They are not worth it. :=

[Adrian Cronauer]

...Also that portuguese TRE is a nasty piece of work. Neither liked nor respected by his peers and should be weeded out... him, and that pommy piece of work...the aussie what-to-be...bloody Galah that one is!

...including most probably yourself....
What do you think this is, bush week?

...failed for reasons way above your pay scale... bloody arrogant...typical pom!

[olepilot]

...ah, a pissing contest. Been a while so I guess it's time for one now.
:-D
Gentlemen: on your marks!

[Adrian Cronauer]

Five months in Vietnam, and I'm in a piss'in contest with a TRE. THIS WILL NOT LOOK GOOD ON A RESUMÈ!!!

[Eshana]

Vietnam Airlines seem to have a lot on hold and don't seem to be having many screenings if any. Direct Personnel are brand spanking new to Vietnam Airlines and if you compare their contract terms to those of say Rishworth who have been recruiting for Vietnam Airlines forever, they are way below par. I'd stick to an agency that knows the airline and can provide better terms.

[Eshana]

Hi Jimmy Do Little, what you say about there being several cases of Rishworth pilots changing to Parc but not one instance of a Parc pilot changing to Rishworth is NOT true! I have mates who changed over from Parc to Rishworth and are very happy with Rishworth and are very happy with the move. Don't believe everything you hear!! :=

[Adrian Cronauer]

are very happy with Rishworth and are very happy with the move cods wallop! jimmy was spot on. youse be liz, david or gretchen?

[Eshana]

Adrian you don't know what you're talking about. Think whatever you like but i know for a fact that people have made the move to rishworth. Like i said, these are people i know! don't know who those names are you mentioned but they aint me

[Adrian Cronauer]

don't know who those names you mentioned and tellin us all that you know this or that about RAL. You don't know christmas from Bourke street mate.

[kiwilad]

Adrian,

You seem to be very aware of both care to elaborate further?
If Parc is better than Rishworth why?

Cheers:ok:

[Dream Land]

No real urgency to compare Rishworth with Parc, they both pay the same and offer similar insurance schemes, what we do need to pay attention to is a third contractor coming into the picture paying much less along with less benefits. People considering Vietnam Airlines need to do their homework.

Cheers, D.L.

[jumpdrive]

u'r rite

EuroPacific

:yuk:

[Dream Land]

Hi Jimmy Do Little, what you say about there being several cases of Rishworth pilots changing to Parc but not one instance of a Parc pilot changing to Rishworth is NOT true! I have mates who changed over from Parc to Rishworth and are very happy with Rishworth and are very happy with the move. Don't believe everything you hear!! by Eshana I don't want to bring up the word "Poser", but I am very suspicious of your posts, Jimmy Do Little speaks the truth.

1. You have no posts on any other thread.
2. You only have 3 posts.
3. If you were from the states, you wouldn't indicate America.

People from the agencies should steer clear of trying to post in a "pilot" forum.

Cheers, D.L. :=

[jumpdrive]

well @ least 1 things correct
his name
do little.................very little indeed:}

[Jimmy Do Little]

Hey Jumpstart. At 85 hours each month and four sectors daily - consistantly - I take some offense to that!

[Jimmy Do Little]

just an fyi ... (the guilty know who they are)

ICAO Annex 2 Rules of the Air: 3.2.2.7.3
An aircraft taxiing on the manoeuvring area shall stop and hold at all lighted stop bars and may proceed further when the lights are switched off.

ICAO Annex 14 Aerodromes: 5.3.19.13
A stop bar is switched on to indicate that traffic stop and switched off to indicate that traffic proceed

ICAO Doc 9870 Manual on the Prevention of Runway Incursions:

4.4.1 Pilots should never cross illuminated red stop bars when lining up on, or crossing, a runway.

4.5.5 Aircraft or vehicles should never be instructed to cross illuminated red stop bars when entering or crossing a runway. In the event of unserviceable stop bars that cannot be deselected, contingency measures, such as follow‐me vehicles, should be used..

[yanafrica]

So what's the point ????
i thought it was a trhead about vietnam airlines INFOS not a shooting range
cheers!!!!!

[jumpdrive]

exactly janafrica, theres no point
but some just like to come here evryday
i pitty them, they have nothing else to do
to go over the icao books?????? damn!!!!:zzz: and extracting stuff!!!1 fuc$#% me
get a life, or a girlfriend
& be man enough to say the names you are trying to get here
by putting this annexes..............:ugh:
'cause i can assure you dont have the balls to give this icao extract in his/her face and tell them their mistake
keep it up

[Jakbawer]

Are there some more opening for A330 captains in Vietnam? Any information regarding this? Thanks:)

[Jimmy Do Little]

Jumpstart! You do realize that the company is STILL trying to reduce our salaries! Maybe - and I'm just guessing here- if people like you would begin to act - and operate - a little more like the professionals that you're paid to be, then we might have a stronger argument against these proposed salary reductions. People like you who act and operate like a bunch of monkeys are only making the rest of us look bad.

And, I have no problem addressing this with the person involved, but unlike you I don't feel it necessary to publicly embarass any individual! Maybe, I'm just a little more mature than you! Obviously, I'm more profession!

[olepilot]

...nothing like a pissin' contest to lively up your day!!
;-)

[Adrian Cronauer]

'bout time someone said it. good on ya Jimmy, yeuse be my new hero

[Luke Darkstar]

@ Jakbawer,

As I have heard there won't be any more screenings right now for A330. As I have heard, there are some new expat entries on A330, but they were screened 3 or more months ago, coming now.
In the moment they are doing a lot of training on vietnamese pilots changing to A330, so there might be no capacities for expat entries.
But on long sight I think they will need lots more pilots (expat as well), because there will be more aircrafts coming into the fleet.
So if you wish to join Vietnam Airlines, put your application and wait, I am sure, there will be demand, but if you are looking urgently, maybe VN won't be best decision right now.
Best wishes

[Adrian Cronauer]

Latest A330 news. first expats to upgrade includes a Sheila Instructor from the A320 fleet. Announcement made official after the next A330 delivery.

[jumpdrive]

announced at the Paris Air Show that it has placed a firm order with Airbus for 16 more single aisle A321s and signed a Memorandum of Understanding for two additional A350 XWBs.

The latest A321 contract increases the total number of orders placed by Vietnam Airlines for the type to 41, of which 14 have already been delivered. The commitment for the A350 XWBs comes in addition to an existing firm order for 10 aircraft placed in December 2007. Vietnam Airlines has selected the A350-900 variant of the all-new midsize widebody.

"Our new order for the A321 reflects the success we have achieved with the aircraft on both our regional and domestic route networks," said Pham Ngoc Minh, President and Chief Executive Officer of Vietnam Airlines. "In the widebody category, we firmly believe that the A350 XWB will set new standards of efficiency and passenger comfort, making it the right choice to develop our intercontinental route network."

"Vietnam will remain one of the key growth markets in Asia in coming years," said Airbus President and CEO Tom Enders. "With the Airbus single aisle family and the all-new A350 XWB, Vietnam Airlines will be operating one of the most modern and efficient fleets in the region and will be well placed to meet demand on both its Asian and international services."

Vietnam Airlines currently operates a fleet of 52 modern aircraft and flies to 19 domestic and 23 international destinations.

The A321 is the largest member of the Airbus A320 Family. It typically seats 185 passengers in a two-class layout and has a non-stop flying range of 3,000 nautical miles or 5,550 kilometres.

The A350 XWB is Airbus' new medium-capacity long-range widebody product. Capable of flying up to 8,300 nm / 15,400 km, it has the widest fuselage in its category and offers the lowest operating costs and lowest seat mile cost of any aircraft in this market segment.

2 days ago Vietnam Airlines also increased the Firm orders for ATR72 to a total of 13 new 500 series.

[ArthurBorges]

Well, dual nationality can always happen; the true issue is recognition. If you hold citizenship in countries A and B, then A will only recognize your A citizenship and B, your B citizenship. What that means is that you cannot claim any privileges of B citizenship while in A and vice versa, e.g. if arrested in A, B's embassy will not lift much of a finger for you.

If you secure Vietnamese citizenship, that government has no power to revoke your French citizenship although it may require you to renounce it before naturalizing you. (I have no idea what Hanoi requires.)

French law, on the other hand, has provisions for you to recover French citizenship if you have already it in one way or another: in that case, you go for a "réintégration" and not a "naturalisation".

Good luck.

[mach 84]

last week parc and risworth were in vn to talk to headquarters, there is a possible pay cut (something like 300/month) mentioned, nothing fix yet.
intakes of expats just few, TRI and TRE have best chances.
60+ vietnamese cadets are expected this year after graduating. to little capacity to train them all on 320 or ATR72, they are thinking now to introduce 2nd officers on the 777, (can only be in the drivres seat above 20.000ft, can do an emergency descent and a drift down) for the CDG, FRA and DME routes.

[youwantmetodowhat]

Just out of interest. Has anyone got any the details of the DPI contracts or is it just rumour? Has anybody thought of possibility that they maybe on the same money/conditions in the hand and DPI are just taking less of a cut. If that the case, PARC and Rishworth have a alot of explaining to do by the sounds of it.

However, the price for the entry is 10800USD/month for Captains made up of $7800 salary, $1500 for accomodation and $1500 per diems and a total of 7800USD (I believe) for FOs on 320 fleet. If anyone take anything less they will be hurting not only themselves, but all the pilots there now as VN will just lower it all for all of you.... and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.

It is very simple, if DPI are offering less money then just go to PARC or Rishworth. If DPI dont have the numbers on the books they dont have contract. Be careful guys dont go in short. For Gods sake everyone, try to keep your conditions, there must be other ways for the company to save money without screwing the expats.

By the sounds of things you are all working harder than ever too....screw it try for a pay increase (didn't the Vietnamese get a huge pay increase last year?) or some sort of overtime pay. And get any new guys that arrive based in Hanoi. From what I here you are spending half the time in Hanoi....that got to save the company money.

Good luck guys...and happy landings.

[Dream Land]

***USD65 per day is paid to crewmember by VAC during ground school (Max 14 days)

Thereafter, upon receipt of CAAV validation:

US$8,500 per month Basic Salary

US$1,000 per diem per month pro rata.

US$1,000 accommodation allowance per month

All local taxes shall be borne in full by Vietnam Airlines. The crewmember is responsible for any other tax obligations in any other jurisdiction.


Cheers, D.L.

[jumpdrive]

yep
this is an extract from direct personnel's job spec's
it seems now evryone will have to go through them
since theyre the only A. holes to acccept less pay
and its only 2 year term, not 5 like before

[kennyngkenrich]

shut up kwai lo's... im the best

[youwantmetodowhat]

Sounds like you guys are all screwed then.....
If any one of these guys get through the selecton process what are you going to do? And what happens to the contracts that you are all on before these f#$kwi#$ signed one of these new contracts at the lower rate.
Here's a thought, can you change your contract companies if VN only give you one choice? Most of these contracts stop you from legaly working for another contract company, so lets face it you are now really screwed..... actually this could mean that VN are scewed because you wont be allowed to work for them legally for another company. So if PARC/Rishworth hold out on VN with the higher amount, and they threaten legal action against you for changing companies then you might be right or well... there are other jobs out there guys and the industry will get better. It sounds like VN wouldn't know when they are on a good thing if it came and bit them on the arse. As they say Pay peanuts...get monkeys

[Tee Emm]

and oh yeah any of you thinking of going the way of lower conditions do think you will be really welcome if that happens. Spread the word.


Pprune Moderator please note. The above statement is a threat by any stretch of the imagination and the post should be wiped and appropriate advice given to the author by the Moderators. :=

[youwantmetodowhat]

Dear Ms Tee Emm, What "threat", have I upset you because you are one of the pilots going there at the lower rate instead of holding out for the established rate that the other companies are offering, or are you just from DPI? Put yourself in their shoes. would you be there saying oh great come on over thanks for the pay cut...get real!
I am looking at what the pilots there are having to deal with....increased hours and no pay increase and cuts in conditions for years. Look at the previous posts by many many of the pilots there. They are copping it from not only the company that is trying everything to screw only the expat pilots (from what I understand the locals have not been asked to take any sort of a paycut in any department) but now from another company coming in and undercutting the contract companies that have been there supplying pilots for years. Not forgeting that VN made millions of $ in profit the first quarter of this year!!!
No threat, just letting prospective pilots thinking of going there that they have a choice. Apply to a contract company which is quite willing to pay the pilots they have on their books less than what the pilots there already are being paid....yeah great way to look after your clients who are making you money or just to go to the companies that have been established there for years and give VN no choice than to go back to them.
So if you feel threatened then well.... I am sorry to have upset you so much, but I have been watching this post for months and I am amazed that a pilot would come up with such rubbish as your post....
As has been said for years....Pilots are their own worst enemies. And you are not helping what has been happening for a long time.

p.s. no "appropriate advise" so far.

[JotaJota]

:ok: Agree!!!!!!! :ok:

[ia1166]

PARC to RAL? I've been here 5 years and i changed from RAL to PARC 2 years ago along with 4 others. I cannot recall anyone going the other way. I do know most pilots would jump at changing from ral to parc. Can't be done now though. The long and short of it. PARC are so much better. Everyone who has asked for a 5 and 3 roster with PARC has got it. RAL tell their guys they have to be here a year first. Now the door is shut on reduced rosters. All the parc guys got what they wanted. The RAL guys are left hanging, apart from a couple. Go Figure. It's all about the commission.

An old contract pilot once told me that PARC pilots tend to stay with them and only accept other PARC contracts. Now i'm there i understand totally.

Interesting reading here though. I'm born and bred australian adrian. Have we shut the door on all the kiwis coming over or did you get in early enough?

And how's the head?

[youwantmetodowhat]

Hey Jota,
Thanks for the :ok:

[jaarrgh]

Just in case it turned out to be a bad decision....like after a bad night out.... can one get out and go home before the 3/5 yrs of the contract are up. Would there be a penalty or a notice period for this?
thanks

[Dream Land]

Just in case it turned out to be a bad decision....like after a bad night out.... can one get out and go home before the 3/5 yrs of the contract are up. Would there be a penalty or a notice period for this?
thanks jaarrgh, Your specific contract will address this issue, the notice period is 62 days, some agencies will levy some type of penalty if leaving prior to the end of your contract period, others drop this penalty clause after being on line for six months.


Cheers, D.L.

[jaarrgh]

Thanks for that DL, presumably one gets to see the proposed contract early on in the process before sims etc?
A few questions if you have the patience:...

My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?

Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?

And finally not to re open the debate on days off from last year, but is it 7 days per 6 weeks of your rotation or 7 days per calendar month adjusted for the 2 weeks you are away (10.5 per 6 weeks)?

thanks again and any info very welcome.

hope they reopen the recruitment soon.... summer is over in the UK!

[ia1166]

Days off are exactly as i said earlier. You get 7 local days off per month, you must have a 36 hour break every 7 days or a 60 hour break in 10 days. the 7 days doesn't start at midnight but when you sign on so in effect it's not 7 days but 168 hours.

Rotation, vacation or whatever you want to call your 2 weeks off all counts as a day off, as does sick days. The definition of a day off is " a day free of all duty ", notice the lack of pre-notified here, so a sick day counts as a day off.

So if you return from rotation or vacation or whatever you want to call it on the 3rd, you will only get 4 more days off that month. If you return from rotation on the 7th, and leave on the 23rd of the next month, you will get no days off, but you will get a 36 hour break every 168 hours, or in effect 1 day a week, so 5 days in total.

It is quite normal to work 8 days before you go on rotation. They will owe you a 60 hour break, which will be your first 2 days of rotation/vacation. But they will be vacation days, not days off.

Some of the new frontier guys are just figuring this out. As i said it's not as utopian as you might think.

On a different subject, i heard that VAC are not accepting apps from PARC or RAL for line capts so what are you asking the new guys to do. Have no job or income to support their families because taking a slightly lower salary will upset the guys already there? It's not their fault. It's the contract world. We all have families to support.

[Adrian Cronauer]

ia1166, You must be full as a boot mate.

I'm born and bred australian adrian.


Look at your previous posts mate.

02 Oct 2001 - I've worked for a couple of charter outfits in the UK. My advice is if you want to live in the UK join BA.

08 July 2001 - I lived in manchester during your first year and remember the house of evil quite well.

10 June 2003 - i kept both my houses in the uk when i left 3 years ago, both rented i have never had to pay the mortgage.

14 Jan 2005 - Mate, you might want to look at the housing market and cost of living in europe vs the salary in EK. after 25 years of comfortable living, putting your kids through school in the M.E. are you really going to have enough to retire to a nice house and live out retirement? It's better to stay with a charter airline and do the 25 year course with them, get free schooling, live in your own gaff and get a pension. My mates back in the UK are far better off than me, and their wives don't get harrased at the supermarket.

20 June 2004 - another whinging australian post.you guys have a reputation to uphold i suppose but try working with no seniority list. many of us would trade places with you guys.


"..born and bred aussie.."???
You're a pommie mate! Next ya'll be wavin' the American flag and claimin' yur from Georgia!

[Dream Land]

My wife a young daughter are keen to come out for the duration. As far as keeping them on the straight and narrow are there sports clubs/hotels that one can become a member of and use the pool? Is HCMC that kind of place...?

Anyone know about visas for family living in Vietnam?
This country has more things to do than you can imagine, too numerous to mention, really depends on how the culture shock affects your girls. Do they like a bit of adventure? How well do they do out of their normal element, the people here are extremely friendly and helpful to foreigners, their personal safety is not an issue here, a very safe place.

Visas can be sorted out for your family by local agents, they last six months.

And yes, plenty of health clubs, pools and deserted beaches!

Cheers, D.L.

[jaarrgh]

Thanks guys for the responses. The 'time at home' routine is clearly variable but I get the gist of it (just).
The girls are adventurous for sure. The 10 month old one too much for her own good!
Important to go in eyes open. Difficult to get a sense of when it may start again but registered and keeping my ears to the ground.

[ia1166]

The nearest decent beach is 4-5 hours away. I'm single and from what i see there isn't all that much to do for a wife and children in Saigon. It's aheavily polluted city. Schools cost 12,000 us a year per child. There are quite a few guys here who have sent there families home and are on 5 on 3 off rosters or 4 and 4 or 4 and 2.

My advice would be to come out on your own first, bring the wife over to look around once you're on line and make a decision on the costs of living here. If your single it's cheap, if your out here with the wife and kids, big house etc, it can get a bit expensive. It depends on what you want from it i guess.

[youwantmetodowhat]

IA1166, the point that I was trying to make without "threatening" (see previous post) anyone was that if DPI do not have anyone on their books to offer VN.....then they dont have a contract and it would force VN to continue to go to Rishworth/PARC for their crew requirements only. Then everyone wins, including the families.

And by the sounds of it you are a TRE, and I assume you are on a higher salary. However out of interest, have the TRE's salaries been looked at the same way as the line pilots. I am just looking at this whole situation with you guys. This could be the start...."thin edge of the wedge" as they say.

Do you know if Rishworth or PARC have been asked by any of their other overseas contracts to reduce the pay of their pilots? As I said VN actually made a profit and are ordering more aircraft, there must be other companies around doing alot worse. It sounds like you guys are being well and truly scammed.

[THRidle]

Right now, from an A330 skippers point of view, the thought is that Parc is sending out emails to people on it's books just trying to give everyone that warm wet feeling when in fact they have absolutely no idea when or if, the next course of 330 drivers is going to be asked for.

Having said that the silence from Rishworth is deafening !!

[jumpdrive]

Date : 09 Jul 2009 1514 hrs

HANOI: Vietnam Airlines has estimated a pre-tax profit of 1.6 million dollars for the first half, despite the global downturn and H1N1 flu pandemic hitting global air travel.

The figure compares with a loss of 4.65 million dollars in the same period last year, which was blamed on higher fuel prices, which surged in the first six months before diving as the economic crisis set in.

In a press statement on Thursday, the flag carrier forecast revenue in the January-June period was 637 million dollars, compared with 680 million dollars last year.

The airline's business "had been seriously influenced by the world economic crisis and the type A (H1N1) epidemic... which reduced the demand for travelling by foreign passengers," it said.

H1N1 flu, classed as a pandemic by the World Health Organization, has infected more than 94,000 people and killed more than 400 around the world.

Despite the challenging global environment, Vietnam Airlines said it transported 0.6 per cent more passengers, totalling 4.5 million, during the first half.

The carrier added that it did not have to reduce staff while many other international airlines had to lay off employees and scale down operations.

For the full-year 2008 it reported a pre-tax profit of 14 million dollars, picking up in the second half as fuel costs fell.

Vietnam Airlines expects to triple its fleet of 50 aircraft by 2020, and officials say it is seeking to become one of the region's leading carriers.

from channelnewsasia

[hawkeyecheck]

Hi ,,,

M an aircraft tech working in south asia.. I would be glad to have the info if vietnam airline is recruting engineers or technicians rite now.. M working in A320with V2500 engine in line.

Thanks.

Good day.

[Jimmy Do Little]

Financial status changes as quick as the roster!



Vietnam Airlines posts drop in profit
(14-07-2009)

HA NOI — National flag carrier Vietnam Airlines is continuing to see a strong decline in pre-tax profit, which was just VND28 billion (US$1.6 million) in the first half of the year.

In first quarter alone, the carrier’s pre-tax profit was VND24 billion ($1.3 million). In the following three months, the airline earned just VND4 billion ($224,000).

This year’s figures are well down from the same period last year when the airline earned an average monthly pre-tax profit of VND20 billion ($1.1 million).

Vietnam Airline’s business in the first six months of this year was strongly affected by the world recession and the A/H1N1 flu pandemic, the carrier said.

Although revenue from domestic flights increased by 15 per cent in the first half of the year, the carrier only managed a total revenue of VND11.35 trillion ($630.5 million), equivalent to 48.09 per cent of its yearly target.

During the first six months of this year, Vietnam Airlines operated 32,319 flights, carrying more than 4.4 million passengers.

The volume of domestic passengers increased by 8.8 per cent over the same period last year, reaching more than 2.9 million passengers. However, the number of international passengers was 1.5 million, down 11.8 per cent from the same period last year.

"The drop in international passengers is caused by the decreasing volume of foreign visitors coming to the country. In the first half, this volume decreased by 20 per cent. Of those, the number of visitors using airlines was down by 11.6 per cent," the airline said. In the first half of the year, Vietnam Airlines seat occupancy rate was 72.5 per cent.

The airline carried 59,405 tonnes of cargo, 49.6 per cent of its yearly plan, representing a fall of 6.8 per cent over the same period last year.

The airline contributed VND124.2 billion to the State budget in the first half.
To offset costs, "in the next six months we will also improve our competitiveness and services to maintain our market share," the carrier said.

To save fuel, Vietnam Airlines has opened four new domestic routes since July, helping the company cut between four and 10 minutes off each flight and save $6-7 million in fuel costs.

In the next six months, the airline will also receive additional Government support.
Earlier, the Government approved projects to improve the quality of 10 airports.

Furthermore, the Government also gave the green light to Vietnam Airlines to buy an additional 32 Airbus, 11 Boeing and 11 ATR 72 planes. —

[slam dunk 4]

Hi everyone,

anyone here who is flying the ATR 72 for Vietnam Airlines?

need some insider info for a major decision!!

thx

What is the Cpt. pay?
What roster?
Any benefits?
Commuting possible?
Rishworth offer currently, will check Parc!

[Dream Land]

Standard roster pattern:
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month
You will commence your contract with the standard roster pattern above. There is the opportunity to
change roster patterns once on contract to Option A or B which is subject to approval by Vietnam
Airlines.
Option A:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month
Option B:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month
The above payment and roster patterns will apply from 14 days after commencement of Ground
School. For the first 13 days you will receive $65 per day plus hotel accommodation and ground
transportation provided by Vietnam Airlines.
ATR72 monthly payment amounts will increase by 2% in May 2011 and again in May 2012.
All answers are in the thread (somewhere), I doubt you could find an easier going operation, I think they fly around 35 hours a month, home every night.

Good luck, D.L.

[slam dunk 4]

35 hrs a month??? are you kidding? if not, please don´t call it work.....:)

[Abacus]

It seems that the 'new' deal for new contracts is a 10% reduction on the basic salary for the FIRST TWELVE MONTHS ONLY, and then returning to the usual rate. All other conditions remain the same.

[JIMMY ANGEL]

Hello. I'm a A320 TRE and I'm thinking to move to Vietnam Airlines. How about the roster 4 on/4 off?
I've received some information (PARC) and it seems to be good? I think this roster is interesting, but do they really offer this roster?
I'm thinking to take my family (I have 2 child, 4 & 5 years old) if they don't offer me the 4/4 roster. What about schools and houses in HCMC.
Thanks

[olepilot]

RTFT, if I may suggest!
;-)

[youwantmetodowhat]

"All other conditions stay the same"?!?!?!? If they were at all interested/serious about saving money they would put any new starters in Hanoi for a year and they would save $1000s every week and just leave the salaries as they are. Then everyones happy, unless there was a person getting a kickback from the min number of rooms being used in Hanoi every night. But surely that wouldn't happen as the government is doing everything in their power to stop corruption.....or am I just being naive :rolleyes:

[V2+30 Flaps Up]

Does anyone know, now with they hiring starting again, if Rishworth and Euro-Pacific are also offering the reduced (10%) contracts for the first year?

[Jimmy Do Little]

35 hrs a month??? are you kidding? if not, please don´t call it work.....

The Fokker fleet flys less!

[insert_name]

Hi Jimmy and all.

I missed the Fokker window late last year :ugh:. Its all about timing. Is there any chance of getting on the Fokker soon this year? I have been wanting to get into VAC for a few years. I realy want to move on from where i am ASAP.

[Duh]

6 and 2
5 and 3
4 and 4
These are commuting schedules ???
Where would you commute to ???
Especially if you lived in madrid, London or even Los Angelos.

[varigflier]

No, this is not a commuting contract although you might be able to do it depending on where you want to go.

[volare_737]

Just two questions please ( I am new to this contract flying ). I might get an offer for an Fo slot on the 777. Do you also get full pay when it is your off rotation or only when you are on roster.
Is there any change for an upgrade once you started as an FO?
Thanks for any help !!!!!

[Duh]

Volare, I've been trying to get a straight answers on many questions there(VAC) and all you get in return are short quips and half answers. From what I understand, if yor on a 6 and 2 schedule you are not paid for the "2" weeks off. I think that is why you see the word "Pro Rata" for per diem, housing allowance etc etc. As to my question for commuting, if it's NOT a commuting schedule then why do they provide a positive space ticket at the end of each rotation? Duhhhhhhhhhh :ugh:

[UALSIC]

The contract companies can explain it to you if you don't understand........DUUUUHHHH :ok:

[TANUA]

Volare 737 & Duh

In the 35 pages on this thread you would have answers to your questions many times over-its been covered time & time again. That is why you now get half answers & quips-people are weary of answering the same thing over & over again!

As far as a commuting contract goes-that is what most people consider it is- but depending on where you home is it may not be practical to get home in a 2 week break. That is for each individual to decide. You will have a confirmed return ticket anywhere on the VAC network for each 2 week break-if you want to use it.

You are paid a monthly salary which takes into account the time you have off-the salary is the same every month-if you take leave or not. This applies to all the different contracts available ie: 6/2 or 5/3 or 4/4.

Good luck & any information you want about VAC or life in Vietnam is contained in this thread.:p

[Duh]

Thxs TANUA. Seemed pretty quick n easy to answer. And without a fuss.

As far as reading an entire thread and sift through all of the whining for a few questions....No thxs
I'm sure your CRM skills are as evident and snide as your posts. Jaggoff.

[Dream Land]

i.e the 5 grand or so US$ every month for 777 fo.Thanks in advance tornsparr, here's an example for an ATR Skipper from the RAL contract, I don't have the 777 numbers handy.

Standard roster pattern:
6 weeks ON duty, 2 weeks OFF duty
$8,335 per month
You will commence your contract with the standard roster pattern above. There is the opportunity to
change roster patterns once on contract to Option A or B which is subject to approval by Vietnam
Airlines.
Option A:
5 weeks ON duty, 3 weeks OFF duty
$6,946 per month.
Option B:
4 weeks ON duty, 4 weeks OFF duty
$5,557 per month
Just to be clear, you will notice the 4/4 schedule, $5,557 USD per month, this pilot will receive 12 of these payments per year, in essence like making 11K per month.

Cheers, D.L.

[jumpdrive]

F.Y.I.

on ATR u also can get

8x1.............+/- $9,8
10x1...........+/- $10,1
9x3.............same as 6x2

[jumpdrive]

both per diem & house allowance are part & included in the monthly salary
you will get it no matter what you do
on your 4 weeks of at home you'll get your full salary
if you go or don't go sim you'll .................get per diem
if you do or don't do overnight................get p/d
the salary will come always with the same figure which incl. p/d & h/a

[Dream Land]

how do you mean in essence its like making 11k month????? Well let's see:

One year time period- Working in Vietnam - 6 months, salary = $66,684.00

$66.684.00 divided by 6 = $11,114.00

And don't forget the free ride home if your home is within their network.

Cheers, D.L.

[youwantmetodowhat]

Hey Duuuuh, Tanua answerred your question...whats your problem. He was trying to help, by not giving a "half answer or a short quip" by stating the obvious. Sure it's a long thread but there actually is some very informative and at times quite entertaining info on it. Your snide remark and lack of "CRM" is whats at question now. Maybe staying "by the river in your van" is a more appropriate place for you to go..you did at least say thnx.

[Lost in Saigon]

Thxs TANUA. Seemed pretty quick n easy to answer. And without a fuss.

As far as reading an entire thread and sift through all of the whining for a few questions....No thxs

I'm sure your CRM skills are as evident and snide as your posts. Jaggoff.

Vietnam is for easy going pilots who can easily adapt, and "go with the flow"

If you are the type of person who continuously gets caught up in the little details, you might find life in Vietnam is not for you.

[B204GT]

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me how Vietnam Airlines defines your type rating currency? I recnetly applied to their 777 FO position through DPI. Right now I'm unemployed but my last actual flight on a 777 is within 6 months and my last simulator & line check both within 12 months, and I meet all the requirements they listed. Then 2 days after I submit my application, DPI got back to me and said Vietnam Airlines rejected my application because I am not current?? :confused:

[AirMargarita]

I believe the only "currency" they understand and recognize is an actual PC check within the last 6 months! Anything else does not compute for them.

Unfortunately, this inflexible mindset could have them passing up on some very well quailified and experienced pilots. That just seems to be the way it is here, but others can correct me if this is not so? Perhaps, you could pay on your own to jump in a sim somewhere and be given a PC check?

[shak]

hey guys, can anyone give me some info on how a regular 777 roster looks like at VN .......i am considering.....tnx

shak

[Jimmy Do Little]

only "currency" they understand and recognize is an actual PC check within the last 6 months Absolutely correct

[varigflier]

I also tried to find out what the roster for the 777 is like but no luck....:ugh:

[youwantmetodowhat]

Have you guys been made to take a pay cut yet. I have heard that it was between 2.5 and 5%. Question..they did make a profit this year so far....didn't they? And has anyone else in the airline been told they are getting one too if the expats get one. Sounds like an interesting place to go (or leave) if they are behaving like that. What happens if they make a loss? It sounds like it is going to get worse before it 'might' get better. New guys...beware. By the looks of the other threads there are jobs around with anyone with experience and recency. Lets face it, by what you guys have had to deal with and are putting up with....they'll be far easy and certainly more stable. Good luck!

[jumpdrive]

forget the numbers.......profits going to the roof......analisys, balance sheets , its all blablabla
this is pocket change compared to what they KNOW can save
who knows but up to 100 times more if they get better fuel management policy , hotel bills, all the catering they steal per flight , & many more

this is a political move from the airline.......specially from some guy that doesnt like 2 much expats
they have been told to cut expat salaries as they get paid too much
& that is the bottom line of all this
no matter what anyone say from any agency they will continue until their objective is met.......capiche

now PARC is saying something about some agreement made for 5% and they will take 2,5% from that.....oh how nice............:yuk:
RAl is still talking things out
some say for 6 months others even 12 months....& then back to the normal salary
now Direct is taking already pilots with the new salary cut into it

in my opinion the only point here with all this fuzz around the cut

WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT...............end of story:=

let the agencies take this cut for 6 months or whatever time frame
theyre making thousands out of our monthly pay anyway already
basically doing nothing!!!!:confused:
this has to be a mutual agreement for any change.............nothing mutual about this........its 1 way deal they wanna do

but then again...........no one knows how & when this will end.......:mad:

[youwantmetodowhat]

So are the Direct Personel guys on the 6 or 12 month reduction or is it permanent for the whole contract? I can see if the guys were out of work it would be tough for them but as I said earlier if DP had no people on their books then VN would have had to go back to PARC and Rishworth. Are many guys looking elsewhere because it sounds like the contracts with VN are not worth the paper they are written on if VN and the agencies behave like this.

Cathay just announced a big lift in profit and I hear Qatar and most operaters in the Middle East are starting up the recruitment again which will help the guys from South America etc with getting home, not to mention the better conditions re schooling, housing etc and there are jobs in China so the jobs are going to be coming back soon guys so good luck and :mad: 'em. If they have aircraft sitting against the fence with no one flying them how do they explain that to the "Party" and the People. Maybe this Duk guy will have some explaining to do. "Every dog (or Duk) has it's day" it's called Karma.

[Wilbur60]

Anyone with an up-to-date typical roster on VN A330 ?
Because the Rishworth T&C's still mention only 5 destinations for the A330 : SGN,HAN,DAD,KIX,NRT,ICN. I wish the network was actually wider...
What about layover cities on the A330 ?
Btw this newly issued summary of Rishworth conditions with VAC ratifies the new 10% paycut for newjoiners in the first 12 months (~8300 USD back down from~9200 USD),already introduced with PARC.:E
Cheers.

W

[Adrian Cronauer]

Maybe this Duk guy will have some explaining to do. "Every dog (or Duk) has it's day" it's called Kamma.

ya mate...quote from famous writer Tom Clancy..

"Vietnamese Commies whom even their Russian advisers despise. ''Arrogant little people with arrogant little minds and the vicious disposition of serpents,'' an honorable Soviet pilot calls them."

same same some wretched pommies walk'in about this place.

[olepilot]

I won't take up the space and don't have the time to give you the full version but here's the short answer to all your questions:
You can't compare, and shouldn't expect it, to be anywhere close to something in the western hemisphere.
Planning to come here? By all means do but do your homework, i.e. read this thread!
You can have a real good time here, but don't expect it to be anything close to what you are used to. This place is special, to say the least!

[longobard]

so Direct Personell is still offering the $9200 per month?

thanks

[kennyngkenrich]

a vietnam 320 skidded off runway 25L this afternoon... any news on that ? they were still trying to get the plane off the grass when i got there at night...

[Wilbur60]

Dunno about Direct personnel,sorry.

Ciao,

W

[non iron]

A well respected pomme of my aquaintance is working in Nam, an englishman, ex- serviceman, and of proper airline operational expertise.

lf you have a problem with your wide paint brush, maybe we ought to discuss " patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel" ?

You should apologise for that remark, Sir.

[Metro man]

Incident: Vietnam Airlines A320 at Ho Chi Minh City on Aug 7th 2009, hydraulics problems
By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:22Z, last updated Friday, Aug 7th 2009 13:24Z

A Vietnam Airlines Airbus A320-200, registration VN-A302 performing flight VN-453 from Nha Trang to Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) with 164 passengers, was on approach to Ho Chi Minh City, when the crew noticed an abnormal level of hydraulics fluid in one of the hydraulics systems affecting the aircraft brakes and declared emergency. The aircraft blew two main gear tyres during the subsequent landing on runway 25L (3800 meters/12500 feet concrete) and got stuck on the runway. The passengers deplaned onto the runway using stairs brought to the airplane.

Incident: Vietnam Airlines A320 at Ho Chi Minh City on Aug 7th 2009, hydraulics problems (http://avherald.com/h?article=41de1dc5&opt=1)

[youwantmetodowhat]

From what my collegue told me, yes it was probably vn 302 and it probably had 164 pax on board, the rest .....lets say not quite correct. Sorry the runway length might be right too.....then again this could be a rumour too.

So what is happening with the contracts?? Has anyone resigned yet.

Sounds like Adrian is out of line and has explaining to do or you guys have got some problems amongst the ranks......maybe you boys need to sit down in a corner and try to sort a few issues out like adults instead behaving like well.....

[azlee_19]

I just informed Rishworth that i m applying for 777 fo, how soon do normally guys get interview date ?

[youwantmetodowhat]

Hey Azlee. 2 Questions
1. have you read the pages before now and
2. why????????????????????
There must be other places to go where you can trust the paper you sign the contracts you sign your name to, that wont change just because the management hate expats and use a "loss" as a BS excuse. Protect youself before you sign a thing. Have a good look around. Good luck and keep the Blue side up

[azlee_19]

i did

but i need a job. see how desperate? otherwise i need to fork out some greens for 320 rating to get tiger awy

[varigflier]

Korean and I think Etihad are also hiring for the 777. Did you check them out?

[azlee_19]

still waiting for etihad, heard they'll start calling in aug but now news yet, i dunt have degree so KAL is out of question.

tough times, just looking for any possibilities.

[varigflier]

I hear you. I am employed but desparately need to go somewhere else and also looking at options.

[dcsagcs]

Me 2!!!! Better to be an expat outside than feeling like that in your own country, you dont think so? I got it??? :ugh::ugh:

[kennyngkenrich]

has anyone got any news on the 320 position yet? how long does it take for them to get back to you? thanks

[jimsmitty01]

I was an eye witness to the incident on the 7th August, fire engines out nice and sharpish, lots of blue smoke on touch down, but not much else - thankfully :eek: - it's always worrying when you see the emergency crews come out but you don't know what's declared the emergency. Also impressed by the sparkling new terminal they have in Ho Chi Minh...

[dieana]

Hello eveybody, I would like to apply to vietnam but I don´t have the type rated to A320. However I have a lot of experience as F/O in B737.200, B737-300, B757, B767 and Cap. of B737-200 and nowadays I have the type rated of CRJ900. Do you think vietnam will consider these things or they only wants pilot with type rate?

Thanks

[varigflier]

I think they are only accepting people who are current and have some time on the aircraft.

[mach 84]

dieana, unfortunately only typerated pilots are accepted.

in the coming 3 months 10 expat F/O's will be taken in for the 777, simulator screening will be in the sim in BKK.

[spinproof]

Hello to all,

Most VNA pilots have heard of my situation and I want to let you know that
Rishworth has been very supportive and they have treated me very fair!
I would recommend them to anyone.

Also, the Rishworth pilot liason's, V and R, have been very helpful and continue to be. Rishworth and VNA are very lucky to have representatives
like V and R working for them.

And to all my friends and fellow pilots at VNA, it was fun working with you and I will miss you.

If anyone has any questions for me, feel free to private message me.

Wishing you Blue skies and tail winds!
g

[Barefootsailing]

Just wondering if any VNA pilots could drop me a note at [email protected].
I just wanted some info on the hiring process and such.
I'm United furloughed with an A320 type and over 1000 in type. Looking at getting on there for at least a few years.

Thanks

[Do-27]

Hi All!!

Any news about the screenings in Singapoure....?¿.....It seemed like they were in a hurry, but no one has received any date for it.... i guess it would be like always, sudenly they will say in less than 10 days.....come here,pay ur ticket+ur hotel, and two months later we will tell u something....:\

I heard they r having dificulties to full up some capt positions and f/o in 777+330....:ooh:

Nice landings!!:ok:

[dirtyredhat]

hi there...does anyone have any info on the sim profile for the B777 screening in bankok...i have asked and apparently they do not have anything to pass along to me...

please pm me and do not post publicly....to avoid conflict of interest or whatever...

thanks

[NEDude]

Anyone know if Vietnam is still flying to Europe? Their route structure shows Paris and Frankfurt but cannot find it on the timetable at all. Also does anyone know the latest and greatest regarding plans to service the USA?

[longago9]

Hi everyone.

I am wondering if someone has any info on the A320 sim profile for the screenings taking place in SIN soon.

I´d very much appreciate any insides and feedback.

Thanks!

[haunted dog]

To all who got invited for a screening (A320) - through which agency did you apply?

Thanks

[UALSIC]

I am glad to read in the paper that Vietnam Airlines is building a 21 million dollar (USD) hangar.

And what was the reason why we took a paycut again?! :mad:

[NEDude]

If the screenings are similar to what they were a year ago, get to know the QRH and particularly dual hydraulic failures as you will see one of those. Also, if you are fortunate enough to get the plates (DaNang - the agency forgot to provide those to me) prior to the eval, study them and know them well, particularly minimum vectoring altitudes as they will make sure you are paying attention to that during the ride. Also they prefer to see you using raw data or having the non-flying pilot backing you up on raw data.

Basically day one was a full blown practice eval. Day two was the real deal. They will tell you they are mostly looking for situational awareness (do not get lost and pay attention to minimum vectoring altitudes) and not crashing.

For us yanks, if you have the "circling approach - VMC only" limitation you may have an issue. That was my downfall and the only reason I did not get it. Either get the restriction removed or know the procedure cold prior to an eval.

[haunted dog]

Hello NEDude,

thank you for this helpful info!

Through which contractor did you apply? - I mean, did you register with only one or did you apply via several agencies.

Thanks

[TempestV]

What about a specific ADD/MEL this aircraft was dispatched with ?????

[skytrek21]

HI Guys,

I applied to Vietnam for the upcoming screening for the A320 through an agency. Typically how long does it take to hear back from them. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Also NEddude....thanks for the well informed posts Really helps a lot of people. Thanks.

[Duh]

4-8 weeks. No kidding. They like to get as many guys on the edge of their seat and go from there. They're not very aviation savvy. They're essentially just remote secretaries(very remote):)
As far as the Circling restriction, you will not even be considered if you have it. I know you can get it removed for about $800 in the States.
Go with Parc.

[NEDude]

I am hearing a few different stories from different agencies.

Rishworth is saying the circling limitation is no longer an issue but they will not re-screen any past applicants.

Parc is saying the circling limitation will be an issue, but the airline will re-screen prior applicants.

Anyone on the inside know the real deal?

[NEDude]

I have been doing some calling around about the A320 circling limitation. So far the cheapest I have run across is Pan Am in Minneapolis. They charge $1250 to go by yourself, or $950 each if you can pair up with someone. Flight Training International quoted me $1790. Last fall CAE in Denver quoted me $600 but apparently they are closing up their A320 sim there and moving it to Phoenix, so it will be a while before they are up and running it again.

No other place has returned my calls yet.

[Duh]

NEdude, isn't there an outfit in the NorthWest(SEA area?) that offers it fo less? Also, I've heard of a place in Florida. They advertise on this site.

[Ptisi]

It's been 5 weeks so far for me and still waiting but I was informed that they have invited very few candidates for screening for Aug due to time constraints (busy season) and lack of instructors/checkers. At least that's what I know.

[Tintin]

Does anyone on the 777 or 330 do have the 5/3 or 4/4 roster or it's just a trap???

[THRidle]

The word is if you want to get of first base, It's 6 on 2 off.

[Sox0104]

hi all
For 330 roster now, they work around 40~50h per month. About 4/3
Next month, 2 330 will arrive, i don't know what happened then because they will cover flight to Japan and Australia.
This 7th Sep, some 320 capt/FO( i know 1 Can, 1 Aus) will have interview for type rating to 330.

[Do-27]

Thanks for the info!!,:ok:

I applyed one moth ago via rishworth and no news.... A320 F/O +6700 in Airbus, really looking foward to go for the interviews, and if posible to the 330....;).... Nice to ear that they are interviewing Capt and F/O of A320 for the A330. Do the company pay the CCQ?, any bond?, do u know how much experience do they want to send u to the 330?.

Thanks again and wish u happy landings!, c u in Hanoi!:ok:

[Sox0104]

It depend from the contract you sign with VNA, to sign contract with them,I think they don't require so much experience. Because at this moment, a son of 320capt who only do type rating and VNA do line training for him.

[AXELYUDIST]

Any news about A 320 captain job, at Vietnam Airlines ?......:ugh:

[jumpdrive]

DATE:30/04/09
SOURCE:Air Transport Intelligence news
By Graham Dunn

Vietnam Airlines believes the overhaul of its entire fleet with new generation aircraft by the middle of the next decade will help support its aggressive growth plans which now envisage a fleet of around 150 aircraft by 2020.

The SkyTeam-bound carrier currently operates a fleet of 58 aircraft; a mix of Fokker 70s, ATR 72-200/500s, Airbus A320/A321s, A330s and Boeing 777s. In line with the strong recent and anticipated long-term growth of Vietnam and the neighbouring region, the carrier has previously said it hopes to grow its fleet to reach 110 by 2020.

But speaking to ATI during an interview at the carrier's Paris office, Vietnam Airlines president and chief executive Pham Ngoc Minh said the carrier now expects its fleet to nearly reach that size by 2015. "By 2015 it will be 107, by 2020, it will be around 150," he says.

"We believe that Vietnam Airlines will grow and will become a leading carrier in Southeast Asia," Minh says, noting the carrier is aiming to improve its product to help raise its competitiveness with other major network carriers in the surrounding regions.

"One of the policies to build up our competitiveness is the fleet programme. Vietnam Airlines wants to renew its fleet as soon as possible. By 2015/16, the entire Vietnam Airlines fleet will be new generation aircraft."

The latest part of this renewal is about to begin, as this May it begins replacing its ATR 72-200s with recently ordered -500 models. These will join the ATR 72-500s it already operates. "We are starting from May 2009 and we will complete it by May 2010. By the end of 2010, Vietnam Airlines will have a new fleet of 14 ATR 72-500s," he says.

"We have the same programme to renew the Airbus fleet. This programme will be completed by 2013, by then we have no more old [narrowbody] aircraft." The carrier has ten A320s in the fleet - dating back to 1996/97 - alongside 14 newer A321s and 24 more A321s on order. It has also just secured government authority to acquire 10 more A321s from Airbus and Minh, pointing to the good timing to negotiate for new aircraft, does not rule out taking more aircraft if it can strike the right deal.

On the long-haul, the carrier already has commitments in place for Airbus A350s and Boeing 787s. "With the A330 and Boeing 777, we start our replacement process around 2013 and we hope to complete it by 2016," he says.

Despite the current tough market conditions, Minh says the growth in the region together with the boost SkyTeam membership will give it, means there will be plenty of opportunities to deploy the new aircraft.

"Vietnam as a single market will by 2020 have a population of 110 million. With open skies [in the surrounding area], it's a market of 130-150 million. Vietnam Airlines has enough room to put its fleet. More than this we can extend our market in south-east and north-east Asia. And with membership of SkyTeam we hope Vietnam will become a gateway to south-east Asia and I don't think 150 aircraft by 2020 is enough for a gateway," he says.

"My main challenge is how we can implement our aggressive plan for growth in a feasible way, not doing too much far, but at the same time I have to speed up this process."

[Coto]

Hi guys!

How is it to live in Vietnam?

Is housing expensive?

Is it a good place to have our wife and kids living there as well?

Any portuguese guy in Vietnam Airlines i could talk to?

Thanks