VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)

[johnuk]

Hi all,
I'm wondering if anyone can help me with this...

I've had a UK class 2 medical for about 10 years, & had LASIK surgery a few months ago. My eyesight is now more or less perfect, & I'll have no problem passing any eyesight tests for a renewal.

However, I'm a bit concerned about the CAA stating that the pre-LASIK prescription must not be worse than +5. My pre-LASIK prescription was approx +6 in both eyes, which would not pass an initial class 2 medical, but would pass a renewal as there are no limits on refraction for renewals (my eyes were better than +5 for my initial medical 10 years ago but deteriorated slightly over the years).

So my question is - can anyone confirm that the pre-LASIK-prescription limits only apply to initial medical exams, and not to existing class-2 medical holders? The CAA don't make this clear on their website.

Thanks in advance,
John

[Creep Feed Grinder]

John,

Before I open my mouth, can I just check.

Your prescrition is definately + not -?

[johnuk]

Yes, my prescription *was* +, not -.
My eyes were approx +5.50 & +6.00.
They are now both approx 0.

[Dupre]

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience with corneal refractive therapy lenses? Are they able to be used in aviation - when your medical may state "must wear corrective lenses"?

They sound like an ideal solution to me, but I've never acutally known anyone to use them.

Cheers :ok:

[Creep Feed Grinder]

Johnuk,

Sorry for the delayed response.

Your Hyperopia was higher than normaly considered for Lasik. This may be of concern to the CAA.

There is no Myopic limit for Class 2 renewal but the +5.00 limit for Hyperopia remains, so you shouldn't even have a Class 2. I'd take comfort in this.

The pre-LASIK-prescription limits apply to initial medical exams; disregard your existing Class 2.

My suggestion would be to write to the CAA and ask them.

In my similar case, got a reply within 8 weeks. Your Class 2 and PPL are in your favour. Do lots of research - especially EASA, JAR & the deviation route.

Good Luck

[jakeekaj]

Need assurance for my vision.
Do I fall in the boundaries for the Class 1 Medical.

Test results are from today: -

Left: 6/5

Right: 6/6

Both together : 6/5

[Firewalled]

Hi All,

Why do the medical requirements specify that contact lenses can only be used to correct distant vision and not also near vision?

[Fantome]

Contact lenses are fine for most myopes (short sighted) as they can usually accommodate to focus close up when wearing the correction. These are concave lenses with, if needed, cylinder to correct for any astigmatism.

With hypermetropes (long sighted) it is quite different. The convex lens corrects properly for close work put it will not allow the wearer to focus on more distant objects. Next time you are in the chemists put on any pair of reading glasses off the rack and check your distance vision, how blurred it is. That is the equivalent of trying to see through a contact lense of any positive power, i.e. convex.

[Firewalled]

Fantome,

Thanks for your reply

I am a hypermetrope with +4 left and +5 right. I've always worn glasses and had no problems with clear near, intermediate and distant vision.

So if i wear contact lenses with these powers how will they not allow me to focus on distant objects? this is what im finding a little bit strange.

[Fantome]

Guess your best bet is to talk to a few optometrists and see if they give you consistent explanations. Such advice should be freely given.

[Sable Knight]

Contact lenses are not permitted for near vision only since you will lose the ability to focus in the distance. This mainly affects people aged over 40.

A pre-presbyope has the ability to focus in the distance, near and intermediate and therefore will not have any problems. A presbyope (difficulty with near vision) struggles to adjust there vision for near. By using contact lenses JUST for near, the instrument panel will look nice an clear but the pilot will stuggle to see the runway.

I hope this helps

[Firewalled]

Thanks Sable Knight!

[rodoc]

Hi everyone,

Wonder if someone could explain... I know the regs on the Class 1 but I have no idea how to decipher my prescription. What is the numbers I'm meant to be looking at that are meant to be in the +5 range?

Thanks in advance!

[welliewanger]

The unit you're looking for is Dioptres (dpt for short)
Dioptre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioptre)

[copywrite33]

Rodoc,

I took the guidelines into a very well known opticians in Leith. The opticians partner was a Pilot and had no problem checking against the guidelines for me and didnt expect any extra payment.

You get free eye tests in Scotland so may as well use it!

[rodoc]

Thanks for the info! I am going to the optitions tomorrow for an eye test, I will take the requirements away with me and see what he says.

I'm very sure that you will all know this, the wording of the JAR Class 1 is: 'If you need correction the refractive error (the amount of correction) must not exceed +5.00 dioptres of long sight or -6.00 dioptres of short sight. This is in the most ametropic meridian (taking into account any astigmatism).'

The bit I don't understand is 'taking into account any astigmatism'. Does this mean I have to add the numbers on my prescription?

Thanks,
rodoc

[Dr Jekyll]

The bit I don't understand is 'taking into account any astigmatism'. Does this mean I have to add the numbers on my prescription?

That's right.

[Sharmanat0r]

Hi folks, this is my first post and I am just looking for any advice from those that know more :)

Im 26 and looking into flight school, have not yet decided what route to take, but one aspect that is frying my head are the Visual Standards for the Class 1 Medical certification.

They say that its ok if your refractive error does not exceed +5 or -6 dioptres and that any astigmatism must not exceed 2 dioptres.

I have had my eyes checked recently and they are as below

SPH CYL AXIS
Reye (-3.75) (-1.8) (2)
Leye (-3.75) (-1) (9)

As I understand it, my eyesight is acceptable to obtain a class 1 Medical. (I took the standards to my optician)

I am worried that because my astigmatism in my right eye is very close to 2 dioptres that in a few years I may fail the medical, but then I found out that Class 1 renewals do not have any limits on refractive error or astigmatism after the initial medical has been obtained (Is this definately correct?)

My dilemma is that I have been looking at getting LASIK Wavefront surgery for quite a while and really want to get it done, not just for flying but for every other reason that people who needs glasses have. It says in the standards that I can obtain a medical as long as I wait 3 months after the surgery and obtain all the relavant post-op checks.

But Im worried as a tiny % of surgeries can go wrong (0.1%) and I dont want to ruin any chance I may have of becoming a pilot... I really want to get this surgery done and im thinking two things:-

- I dont know if it would be better to go and obtain the medical now, with my eyes as they are, and after that do the surgery (voiding the medical) as then I would only be required to renew? Sounds like it might be safer cause I have the initial medical at least

- or should I just get the surgery and prey for the best?

I have been deliberating about this for weeks as I had my eye surgery consultation and I just need to decide...

Any help or advice would be deeply appreciated

Thanks very much

[Jerry Lee]

Hi boys,
are there any eyesight limitation with CASA in Australia, or is it like the FAA where is needed only to see 20/20 with correction?

Thanks in advance!!!

[Jazzy78910]

Might be better asked in the Medical or Dunnunda sections, but corrected 20/20 is fine.

I'm pretty sure actually, that you don't even need 20/20 for the class 1 medical, but only close to...

[Jerry Lee]

I have a friend who is gone in Australia to do the training because he's astigmatism (as me, may I'm more than him), and he said that I could meet many problems with the FAA, due the visus.
Well, my last prescription is that:
right -1,75 myopia / -1,25 astigmatism
left -1,00 myopia / -2,75 astigmatism

Could I meet any problem with the CASA in the case that astigmatism goes over -3,00?
In Europe this is the limit. I'm almost 18 years old, but I have still to finish the school, if it wasn't so I'd have already started the training in UK, USA or in the Down Under.
I'll leave school in summer 2012.

[American Girl]

I too experienced this yesterday - (an exact quote from your archives)

"I suffered a Posterior Vitreous Detachment in one eye last night. Very sudden and very scary, although totally painless. Lots of flashes of light and masses of black blob-like and spidery black “floaters”, plus what seemed to me like an additional translucent flickering eyelid on the right side of my eye."

First, it IS potentially dangerous because it can CAUSE retinal detachment so a trip to the doctor is in order right away. Then you will be watched for 6 weeks to make sure when the detachment completes, it didn't take the retina with it.

Secondly, there are a few doctors in the USA that use lasers to remove clear and present blobs of the stuff that is floating around...

Here are a few:
http://www.EyeFloaters.com (Virginia, USA) Dr. Karickhoff
Eye Floater Laser Treatment & Information (http://www.vitreousfloaters.com/) (Florida, USA) Dr. Geller
LASIK in Irvine, Orange County. Custom LASIK, Laser Treatment for Vitreous Floaters, and Advanced Pterygium Surgery | General Eye Ophthalmology Exams and Eye Care (http://www.oclaservision.com/) (California, USA) Dr. Johnson
Eye Vitreous Floater Treatment Specialty Medical Practice - Vitreous Floater Solutions (http://vitreousfloatersolutions.com/)

Better hurry because with Obamacare, medicine in the USA is soon to be reduced to substandard as in UK and EU.

:-(

I am 61 but I look 42 and haven't a wrinkly on my face, my eyes are clear and shiny, but I have suffered with myopia since age 10.

[Flag Track]

Apologies if this has been covered already, at -7.75 dioptres I can't pass 'professional driver standard' for NPPL but PPL eyesight standard limit is -8 dioptres, is this correct?

[Jerry Lee]

Hi,
I'm looking for the CASA Medical's requirements, especially about myopia and astigmatism.
Tried on CASA's website, but it doesn't work to me.

Many thanks in advance!

[Bad medicine]

Jerry Lee,
You've now asked the same question 3 times. The information you seek is contained in the very first post of the"BEFORE POSTING: Check Here" thread at the top of the forum, where there is a link to the CASA medical requirements. The actual page on the CASA website with the visual requirements is here http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/manuals/regulate/dame/080r0201.pdf

Cheers,

BM

[Jerry Lee]

Thank you Bad Medicine, and I'm sorry.
In these days I tried to get it in the Web and other forums, and so I tried to asked it again here That's what I was looking for! Thank you so much!
I'll save this file on my HD.

[Jerry Lee]

What say the new JAR-FCL about the astigmatism? It must not exceed 2 dioptres, isn't it?
Some fellows said me that new astigmatism requirements for a 1 Class JAA is 3 dioptres. Is that true?
I'm still reading "must not exceed 2 dioptres":rolleyes:...

[dlcmdrx]

Question if for example you have 4.5 dioptres of mipia and 1 of astigmatism, thats a total of 5.5... would then the lasik be valid or not???

[Jerry Lee]

I think you mustn't add them, you should meet the standards even with -5,75 of myopia and -2,00 of astigmatism, isn't it?

[ACIDO]

Take a look to NPA 2008 -17c, it seems that refractive limits were abolished!

[777-Aviator]

Hi ACIDO,

Yes, you are right. Let's hope that this draft will get adopted without significant changes and will be the final one in the rulemaking!

[ACIDO]

I thought it was the final one.

[jetstreamhoney]

Hi,

I know most of you are pilots but was wondering if anyone could help me. I will be going to Doha soon to work as cabin crew. I did the short term medical which didn't include an eye test. I had a standard one done the other day. Basically together my eyes work perfectly, however, my left eye does most of the work. Do you have any idea if this would be a problem for cabin crew when I get the company medical done in Qatar?

Cheers

[ervin86]

Soon there will be no JAR Medicals anymore, instead the new regulation will be called PART-Medical, and will have many relaxations, especially for visual standards.

Implementing Rules for Pilot Licensing can be found on:

http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/doc/NPA/NPA%202008-17c.pdf


As I have heard from the my local CAA, the rules will enter in force in 2012.

[flyerdad]

Hi Jetstreamhoney,

I can only speak from experience about the eyetesting for pilots, but I would expect that the same standard will be given to cabin crew for QR as well.

We attended a private medical centre for our QCAA Class 1 medicals, and were given, the usual medical xrays, blood test and ear nose and throat. Then a specialist optician carried out the eyesight testing, funnily enough ive had 'the works' eyetest in the uk and was not required to wear glasses for flying on my uk medical, but over here I have to wear weak glasses to be given a medical ?

Must admit that the standard of eye testing wasnt quite up to UK standards taking about 5 mins as against 20 in the UK, and projecting the letters on a dirty wall from a rather out of focus projector didnt help.

Ive since renewed my medical and eyetest in the UK and again its good and I dont need to wear glasses.

As for one of your eyes doing most of the work, i wouldnt think that would be a problem for your cabin crew medical. Good luck and enjoy the hot summer its 48deg today and its so hot the windows in the holiday villa apartments are starting to crack and fall out!

[737-FO-WANNABE]

I was looking for some advice.
My left eye currently does not meet requirements for the class one medical certificate (just outside) and I was looking into laser eye surgery.
On the CAA website it states unless eyesight meets standard prior to surgery, surgery is not an option to gain a certificate.
I have heard from numerous pilots that they have gained a class one after laser surgery. Does any one have any experience similar to this or advice?
Thank you for your time,
Hannah

[redsnail]

I had a bit of a read on the CAA's SRG medical section.
If you are "just outside" the limits, they recommend you contact them prior to surgery.
They are also reviewing the requirements if only 1 eye is outside the limits.

There is another way. The initial JAA class 1 requirements are stricter than the renewal limits. If you hold a class 1 from another ICAO state, then you "might" be able to get a JAA Class 1 under the renewal requirements.

Good luck.

[aamerena]

Soon there will be no JAR Medicals anymore, instead the new regulation will be called PART-Medical, and will have many relaxations, especially for visual standards.

Implementing Rules for Pilot Licensing can be found on:

http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/...202008-17c.pdf (http://www.easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/doc/NPA/NPA%202008-17c.pdf)


As I have heard from the my local CAA, the rules will enter in force in 2012.

That would be great!! But this is only a draft and it's already 2 years old. Did you hear anything new about it? Or when should it become official to enter in force in 2012?

Thank you again :ok:

[Ollie247]

Hello all,

Have been a keen follower of this forum for many years.

I surprised that this has not been mentioned on here but the EASA released this document on the 23rd June 2010 and has got some very interesting stuff within it.

I would strongly recommend following the bottom link and having a good look through:-

EASA - Comment Response Documents (CRDs) and Review Groups (http://easa.europa.eu/rulemaking/comment-response-documents-CRDs-and-review-groups.php)

It is to do with many of the proposed medical changes that will effect medical certs. etc.

What I would draw you attention to is the following paragraph in one of the documents:-

" 39. MED.B.065 - Visual System. There is one significant change in this CRD compared to JAR-FCL 3: One change follows comments from stakeholders and applies to all applicants for a class 1 medical certificate at initial examination and revalidation, where all limits concerning refractive error for myopia as well as limits concerning anisometropia and astigmatism were abolished provided that the visual requirements can be met with glasses or contact lenses."

The only bit that has got me confused at the moment is that the documents contradicts itself. In the first part of the documentation it states that pilot will now be tested to achieving 6/6 corrected or uncorrected using glasses or contact lenses etc.

Then.....

In the part then concerning the comprehensive eye examination it again mentions the same old limits etc +5, -6 and up to 2.0 of astigmatism etc so has got me a bit confused.

But as a light of hope the pre refractive limits for surgery seem to have been relaxed.....+5 but nothing for short sight or astigmatism.

If anyone has a greater understanding than me please do not hesitate to let me know or perhaps discuss.

Keep praying guys and girls, we might just get there yet.....

Ollie

[BoeingDreamer]

I do believe there is reason to be optimistic for a change. However what timeframe is a bit uncertain. According to what I have heard, UK is not the problem, it is more a problem with France, Germany and few other ignorant European countries, ignorant on these matters!

[777-Aviator]

Anyone here have been through this situation on renewal/revalidation of UK class 1 medicals? One eye is for example 6/12 uncorrectable to the minimum 6/9, but both eyes are still 6/6? Does that directly mean loss of license?

I know they are currently reviewing the guidelines for mono-ocular pilots or those with substandard vision in one eye, but how would such situation be dealt with for the time being? Any experience with that or heard of a similar case?

Thanks.

[Jerry Lee]

This is from JAR Class 1 Eye requirements.
"...if you have had refractive surgery, Class 1 certification will be considered three months after a LASIK procedure..."
"Certification can be considered six months after LASEK/PRK for myopia".

Does it mean that after a refractive surgery I will be grounded for a period from 3 to 6 months or what?

[Teejman]

I need glasses to read maps etc. I know I could get tortoiseshell glasses but what if I want to wear sunglasses? Does anyone know if you can get made a combination of both? Anybody else have this problem?

Thanks

[dan_vector]

Hi Guys,

I'm in the beginning stages of my PPL(A) licence and have just been to my Class 2 Medical.

I passed all elements of the medical with flying colours except for one part of the vision assessment :ugh:. As I wear spectacles and have astigmatism.

My Prescription shows that I have a 3.50 astigmatism (cylinder) in my left eye which is fully correctable (and has not changed in over 10 years). My right eye is within limits with or without correction. I was informed by the AME that the limit for Class 2 is 3.00 for astigmatic applicants. My corrected vision is 6/5 both eyes.

She did not issue the Class 2 and referred the application to the CAA for further investigation.

My question is guys do you think the CAA will issue me with a Class 2 to allow me to continue flying and obtain a PPL(A). I have no intention (!) of continuing to CPL etc which requires a Class 1 as I am clearly well outside of the Class 1 limit (and have accepted that..)

I will be extemely disappointed to not be granted a class 2.... :{ so any good news will be greatly recieved :O

Regards,
Dan.

[NDW]

Good Evening one and all,

I'm hoping somebody may be able to help me out.

Recently I had an eye examination and it stated that 6/24 was acceptable Uncorrected but if worse than 6/24 it had to be corrected to 6/6.

I was given the following results, My left eye was 6/5 & my left eye was 6/7.

So I'm wondering what the 6/24 means, is that the highest you can go to before you are classed as visually unfit for flying?

Thanks all

NDW

[dan_vector]

Good Afternoon guys...

I've just had my initial Class 2 which unfortunately I failed on one part of the vision requirements and the application was deferred to the AMS for consideration (deviation?).

Unfortunately it appears that I have a -3.5 astigmatism in my left eye which is just outside the Class 2 limit of -3.0 for initial medicals. My right eye is well within limits. (although I would've passed if it were a renewal!)

Corrected I can see perfectly well with either eye or both together giving a 6/6 left eye and 6/5 right eye (corrected) and both at 6/5 (corrected).

Do you think that the CAA will issue the Class 2 after all (I'm guessing with a spectacles required exception or similar)???

I'd like to put my mind at rest and continue training as I am really panicing about this at the moment that I won't get the class 2 and will be unable to achieve my childhood dream. I have considered the NPPL but would really like to fly aboard and add night ratings etc in the future.

Any thoughts guys?

[pumuckl]

I reckon you should be alright. If your vision falls within the renewal limits they'll also look at your age to see whether you would be stable or whether your eyesight is likely to get worse and make an assessment on that. You are not far over the initial limit and given you are 28, your eyesight should be stable by now so I believe there is a chance you should be alright. You might have to provide your last couple of prescriptions to see whether that is the case.

Something similar happened to me at my initial class 1 (although not in relation to astigmatism, but in relation to short sightedness) and they gave it to me as I fell within the renewal limits and was about your age, so hopefully they will issue you with your class 2. If that's the case you will have a limitation saying you'll have to use spectacles, but lots of pilots have that and it would be nothing to worry about.

Good luck.

p. :8

[dan_vector]

Thanks, I called the CAA this morning and they reckon that it will be at least 2 weeks before my application is heard by the specialist there! I have 5 hours of PPL training booked next week and am unsure if I should postpone training until I get the confirmation of the class 2 being issued?

[777-Aviator]

Guys, anybody here knows how would the CAA deal with substandard vision in one eye at renewal?:rolleyes:

[fra0015]

Hi guys, on the CAA website I read that if you do refractive surgery, the pre-operatory state must not exceed +5/-6 dioptries. My question is how they can verify your pre-operatory state? Is there a way to overcome this stupid limitation? Many thanks and regards.

[Spitoon]

Presumably they can ask to see medical records.

But maybe you need to ask why it is a 'stupid limitation'.

[BoeingDreamer]

They ask for a report from the clinic that made your operation, they must have this.

I do agree it is a stupid rule, and most UK CAA medical agree that this is a stupid rule, however this is a problem from JAA and future EASA. And we can talk old fashioned "military" pilot in east europe for this, as they are a bit THICK on this issue, and prefer to have strict Military rules!

[BoeingDreamer]

SoCal App - The refractive error pre op limits are set, and it is more or less a random number for the limits.

Currently it is +5, -6, before it used to be +3/ -3.

In the USA, FAA does NOT have such restrictions, ICAO rules does not have such restrictions.

Yes there is a valid point of a limit, however the absurd part is who decides the current limits? Each case should be judged individually from case to case, and not on the basis of pre op limitation number, which does not mean one thing or the other.

UK CAA medical are very progressive in this, however the EASA is the killer. I believe if UK went it alone, they would adopt a model more similar to the FAA, sensible!
And not indoctrinated by some backward east European mentality, where pilots all had to be super humans and have military background.

I have had this conversation with several doctors + AME's, and they all without exception share the same view, and it is also from some of those that I was told who was holding EASA back from being more close to the FAA regulations.

The irony is that, a FAA licensed pilot can come into JAA airspace, and have class 1 FAA medical, but would not pass a JAA class 1 medical and vice versa!

[crammy15b]

He everyone,

I'm in a similar boat to many on this thread. I had laserSurgery done about 6 years ago, but my pre-op eyesight was still outside of the required limits for a class one medical.

My question is this.....
My eyes over the 6 years have changed a little and i am now about -.05 in each eye. I know this is not the most honest approach however if I elected to have eye surgery again to bring my vision back to being perfect, my pre-op documentation would show that my vision pre-op was -.05 and I would be in the requirements for a class one medical? I could show them a pre-op document stating that my eyes were -.05 and had now been corrected.

Would this work?

Thanks,

[crammy15b]

He everyone,

I'm in a similar boat to many on this thread in that I currenlty am not bale to pass the Class 1 medical. I had laserSurgery done about 6 years ago, but my pre-op eyesight was still outside of the required limits for a class one medical.

My question is this.....
My eyes over the 6 years have changed a little and i am now about -.05 in each eye. I know this is not the most honest approach however if I elected to have eye surgery again to bring my vision back to being perfect, my pre-op documentation would show that my vision pre-op was -.05 and I would be in the requirements for a class one medical? I could show them a pre-op document stating that my eyes were -.05 and had now been corrected.

Would this work?

Thanks,

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Bell them and ask - they're very helpful..

[Kami7709]

Hey all , i have a question .
I have always had a dream of becoming a pilot but i have 1 problem .
I Have astigmatism on both of my eyes wich means that i need glasses or contact lenses.
This can be all done by laser operation .
But i know that if i get it done my eyes still might not be as perfect .
Would this straight away cross off a pilot career out of my life?:confused:
Regards , Kamila

[Fw44]

I've seen lots of discussion about LASIK but not much about lens replacement.
I'm +2.5 for distance and a further plus 1 for reading and have worn specs and/or c/lenses for 35 years. LASIK bothers me because of the scarring/glare risk (and the 3 month flying suspension) so I'm wondering whether lens replacement (CLE) is a better answer. Presumably there's no or limited accommodation so a plastic lens would only fix the distance problem and I'd still need reading specs - is that true for both CLE and LASIK?
Any practical experiences out there?

FW

[Jerry Lee]

I write this message because I need only a confirm.
if I go in the USA to get a FAA CPL will I have any problems with the JAA class 1 medical once I got a CPL issued by an ICAO country (in this case USA)?
I've already sent a mail with my actual prescription to the UK CAA a month ago but they haven't answered me yet.
I exceed astigmatism in the left eye.

[MagicTiger]

Jerry lee - yes faa cpl will not help you, maybe If you get a thousand hours they can do something. Also caa UK are very good and try to help when they can, but soon easa will come, so try to do all before.

[Jerry Lee]

I still have to finish school and I will do the CPL in 2012-2013, could this be a problem with EASA?

[Irishwingz]

Just to confirm getting a Class 1 in another ICAO country WILL NOT enable you get an EASA Class 1 unless you have a lot of flying experience gained over years in which case they might be able to make an exception.

[Jerry Lee]

I will have a FAA CPL, and many say me I should have no problems with the 1^ class JAA if I am a FAA CPL holder.
One of my friend is gone in USA to do his flight training because he has a problem like the mine: ipermetrophy +4 = no chanches in Europe, but a CAA doctor (I don't know wich from wich country) told him to go in the USA.
I hope it is the truth for him and for me.

[dan_vector]

Further to my issues I had with a left eye astigmatism outside the initial limit at 3.5 dioptres.

Well I received a letter from the CAA asking for me to have a corneal topography to exclude keratoconus from my eyes. If the result was negative for keratoconus they would issue the medical under a deviation until I obtained the PPL. I had the exam last week and all was well so thanks to the CAA for being quite understanding and allowing me to hold a class II.

Just thought some one may benefit from my experience so good luck everyone!

Regards, Dan. (I'm off to go solo now ;-)

[Jerry Lee]

Nono, it's not my opinion... I don't know if it is true...
There are a lots of people saying many things...
Well... I hope all will goes for the best.

[MagicTiger]

FAA CPL route will only work if you gain much experience with that license, maybe 1000 - 2000 hours, and again EASA will maybe change much of it.

CAA are more flexible on class 2 than class 1.

If anything you must get it in writing first from the CAA, otherwise assume nothing.

FAA CPL will not give you class 1 medical, if you only have few hundred hours, that I am 100% sure of.
But there are alternatives, so study a way to make those work, and you might be fine in the long run, but the roads will not be easy, good luck.

[Jerry Lee]

I could probably stay in Texas for a while flying as a CFI-CFII-MEI. This will allow me to grow up professionaly and gain many hours.
If this could help me, good...

[MagicTiger]

If you can get work visa there, not easy unless your father or mother are US citizens.

[Jerry Lee]

I know the VISAs issues, and I have several relatives in Texas though.

[Bad medicine]

Let's get ts thread back on track. It's about vision issues as they relate to pilots and flying, not about green cards and eligibility to work in the US. Please start another thread in an appropriate forum if you wish to debate that.

Cheers,

BM

[flyboyweeksy]

Hi all,

Am curious to see if anyone has managed to gain or attain a Class 1 medical here in the UK with one eye below specified limits by the CAA? This is something I had when i was younger and has obviously affected my sight. I'm looking into laser surgery, which can correct (but not guarenteed). But I feel my dream of commercial flying is slipping away.
Thoughts very much welcomed.
Thanks

[Scottish.CPL]

why dont you call the CAA and ask them, only people who can asnwer that will be them, good luck..

[flyboyweeksy]

already done that and currently waiting.... Just seeing if anyone else had had a similar issue...

[Say again s l o w l y]

As far as I'm aware Laser surgery is a no-no from the point of view of the CAA.

There is another option, look into getting a class 1 from another country that doesn't have such an issue with eye sight. Then when you get a class 1 from the CAA, then it's to renewal standards rather than initial and if I remember correctly these are a bit more generous.

However, the CAA might be a bit more flexible depending on how far you are from the standard.

Good luck!

edit to add: Why the hell does this site automatically stick @ into laser?

[yuriart10]

Hey all just a quick question i thought i better throw out.

Im living in australia and have a class 1 med but im also colourblind. i passed the "latern test" but im concerned that i may have fluked it because i have no hope on the ishaira(?) test which i failed, luckily the ishaira test doesnt count apparently. Just thought i'd ask, how often does a pilot have colourblind testing?
If you pass does that mean it wont happen again because theres nothing on my licence or medical that mentions it. Also are you tested as part of a flight screening? My father has been working for the same airline for 20 years and he has no idea about any overseas limitations.

Also im apparently eligible for a irish passport and was planning on heading over looking for a job after i finish my training, is this avenue now closed because of my colour vision? ive never had any "real world" issues with it when im flying.

any advice is very appreciated!

[willisstorm4]

I have searched this thread for people who have been in the same situation but I didn't manage to find anyone. So, I just wondered if anyone has undergone wavefront lasik surgery and where they had the surgery done. I am slightly short sighted but means I need glasses or contacts for everyday tasks like driving, TV, work etc and after 10 years I have kind of had enough of them.

I have recently completed my frozen ATPL so I have had a class 1 medical for a number of years although I am not employed as a pilot just yet, I just work at the airport. I figure now would be the best time to get the surgery done as the CAA insist you cant fly for a minimum of 3 months after lasik surgery so if I was to be in an airline job I would have to take time out which wouldn't be feasible with most employers. I just wondered if it would be best to get my medical done (as it expires in November) then have the surgery or get the surgery done, wait 3 months and then get my medical. Any factual advise rather than speculation from anyone who had been in the same situation would be great.

Thanks

[Snapper1959]

Can anyone help me please?

My eyesight is marginally outside the limit for an Initial Class 1 certificate in one respect only, namely that the amount of correction in each eye differs by 3 diops, the limit is 2. In all other respects my vision is within limits. I have heard stuff about getting an FAA CPL and then using that to crowbar a Class 1 Medical out of Gatwick (my eyesight being good enough to get an FAA Commercial Medical ). Clearly that's not ideal from a time and cost perspective. All thoughts gratefully received.

[matt1627]

Greetings all,

I am currently 20 years old, at university, and planning on taking flight training in a few years time, my only concern with flying so far has been my eyesight, I am unfortunately very short sighted.

I took my initial JAR Class 1 around 2 years ago, and have not renewed it since (this is because I believe there is a 5 year renewal period, and there is no point in keeping it current if I am at university). I passed, however my eyesight at the time was around -4.00, the limit, as I'm sure many of you know is -6.00. Since then my eyesight has deteriorated further, I am currently -5.50, in other words, worryingly close to the limit. This is why I'm glad I took the initial a couple of years ago. My optician tells me that my eyesight shouldn't get much worse now that I am 20 years old, as my eyes will stop changing. However there is the possibility it could go below -6.00.

My query is can I drop below -6.00 and still be eligible for a renewal, and if so, how far below can I go? I have contacted the CAA and have yet to receive a reply, which is why i'm posting here. I have heard off various sources (some more reliable than others) that you can drop to -8.00 and they will still let you fly, I have also heard off my local CAA optician that once you take the initial exam, they are not concerned how much more short sighted your eyesight gets provided its still correctable, and it is dealt with on a case by case basis.

I hope you can all understand why this is concerning me, as I do not want to fork out the money for flying training only to be told one day that my eyesight is no longer up to scratch.

Sorry for the essay!

Cheers,

Matt

[azerty123]

Hello everyone
I'm looking forward to become a pilot in commercial aviation, and the only problem that i have is my left eye 0.4(astigmatism). I was thinking to make a laser corrective surgery, but I'm not quite sure that the medical commission will accept me with the surgery.

[WELCO]

Hi matt1627,

As far as I know, the refractive error limit doesn't apply to renewal/re-validation and I think you will be fine getting your class 1 medical. However, you still need to contact the CAA to get the official answer to your question.


Good luck.

[azerty123]

The question is: can i become a pilot (in commercial aviation) with a surged eye?
Need advice please.

[fabbe92]

In JAA countries it is allowed to become a commercial pilot with eye surgery. However, there is a risk that after the surgery you become very sensitive to sunlight. If this happen, you cannot work as a pilot. So there is allways a risk but if the surgery goes well you´re set to go:ok:

[azerty123]

Thank you very much!

[ABOOD13]

Hello Every body
Any flight surgeon can advice me if the Cataract surgery will affect my fitness class , I am an A+ medical class ( no eye glasses) the doctor discovered a bigging of cataract in one eye, and he said after the operation my vision will not be affected.
Pls I need an advice.....

Thanks
Abo

[742]

For what it is worth, since I am in FAA land--

After a monofocal implant my eye has an uncorrected distant vision of 20/15. Near vision matches the other eye, and meets standards with simple "readers" off the rack.

You need a doctor who will take the time to match your eye with the best/correct implant. I am told that this is the step that many do not put a lot of effort into, which in turn leads to less than ideal outcomes.

Also avoid the multifocal implants, since your odds of getting 20/20 are lower, even with correction.

Certification was not an issue. Rest assured that you are not the first pilot with this problem.

[ABOOD13]

I dont know now ......you are saying to avoid multi focal lenses and my doctors told me because I am a pilot he recommended for me the multi focal lens not the mono focal.
he said that I will need nothing after the operation to correct the vision.
any way I was searching in the web. and I found an eye drops called Can-C it gives a good results for the early stage cataract.

[742]

The important thing is that the eye be able to be correctable to 20/20 or better. I was advised to avoid the multifocal lenses for his reason.

But I am not a medical doctor.

Given the importance of vision to our careers a second, and perhaps third, opinion would be a good idea.

[Loose rivets]

Astonishing claims. I have never heard of this before.

Can-C N-acetylcarnosine eye-drops (http://www.antiaging-systems.com/PRG-49/can-c.htm)

I make no comment of course, but it had got my attention.

The eye I had done had already had a vitrectomy procedure - which probably caused/triggered the rapid onset cataract.


My vision is correctable to 20/20, but I'm a little disappointed that I need any correction for long distance. Most of the time I don't bother, it's not too bad. However, I'm told that if I'd had it in the UK, I would have taken pot luck with who did the procedure, and really you need to know just who's going to do it.

One place only in the south east had a good reputation, and one had a very bad reputation. Frightening, really.

It's so tempting to have the promise of variable focus, but I would really do a lot of research before you go ahead.

[ABOOD13]

Yes I believe I must get a second opinion for this matter, but of coarse you r right (742), that; the final result must be correctable to the best vision results.

also I am trying to get this eye drops I wish it will work with me without need to the surgery.

and I am still worrying about the medical class, you know I still need to fly after the surgery.........for living

[Mac the Knife]

The RCO has issued the following public statement about N-acetyl carnosine:

“The evidence for the effectiveness of N-acetyl carnosine eye drops is based on experience on a small number of cases carried out by a Russian researcher team. To date, the research has not been corroborated and the results replicated by others. The long-term effect is unknown. Unfortunately, the evidence to date does not support the 'promising potential' of this drug in cataract reversal. More robust data from well conducted clinical trials on adequate sample sizes will be required to support these claims of efficacy. Furthermore, we do not feel the evidence base for the safety is in any way sufficient to recommend its use in the short term. More research is needed”.

[PaulS87]

Hi guys. I want to start a carrer in flying but because of my right eye I wont be able to pass a Class 1 medical at the moment, due to an astigmastism in my right eye.

Right eye, Sph +1.25 Cyl -5.00 Axis 15
Left eye, Sph -1.50

Iam considering LASIK eye surgery to correct the astigmastism. I was wondering if I would pass the CAA pre-op requirements? They only state a limit of +5.00 and -6.00 on their website, does that apply to astigmatisms?

Also if my op went without complications would I be in a better positon to aquire a medical pass assuming all the other non-vision criteria are met?

Paul

Edit: 19/11

I have had an assesment for LASIK eye surgery. They say they can get my left eye to 6/5 unaided and my right eye to less than 6/9 unaided and my binocular vision to 6/5 (right now with glasses my binocular vision is 6/6) . My right eye will always be weaker due to the complexity of the problem. Hopefully it will be a matter of when and not if I can ever fly commercially. :cool:

Any comments on this would be apprectiated espically for those that have been through this procedure.

[Scottish.CPL]

this would be the simplest answer, call gatwick and ask them mate, only they can answer this....

[bumitch]

Yeh, just give the guys at Gatwick a call, they'll probably tell you there and then.

[PaulS87]

Thanks guys. I called gatwick today and they said I should not get laser eye surgery just yet. They have asked me to send my latest prescription so they can have a proper look at my aided VA and general prescription. The person on the phone didnt seem phased that I have a -5.00 astigmastsm when the limit is -2.00, as it can depend on other factors??????:confused:. Ive sent it off and fingers crossed.

Paul

[ABOOD13]

Hello every body

Any body had a previous history with cataract surgery can tell me about:

His vision after the operation?
His medical class status?

I was diagnosed with cataract in one eye and it need surgery, my medical class is A+ and I am afraid that I will not be able to fly again after the surgery.

Pls I need help and urgent advise......

Thanxxxxxx

[Protoman2050]

Is it possible for me to get a SODA for my eyesight so I can get a commercial or ATP license?

My BCVA is 20/20 OS, 20/30 OD. I have grade 2 Retinopathy of Prematurity that has been stable for my entire life of 19-20 years.

My right eye is amblyopic, but my left eye completely compensates (I have driven my motorcycle with my right eye closed).

I have perfect monocular depth perception, color vision, and field of vision.

According to my optometrist and ophthalmologist, my right eye's acuity is steadily improving at every yearly exam.

I want to fly freighter jets, like the Boeing 747-400F.

My Dad was a supertanker captain, and I've always been fascinated by airplanes and piloting. I'd rather be in the air than bored to death at sea...at least pilots have more things to occupy their minds.

Thanks,
Doug

[fra0015]

Hi guys, I read the EASA CRD to NPA 2008-17c at the following link:
http://www.ilmailuhallinto.fi/files/lth/EU-asetukset/CRD_c.2_-_Comments_and_Responses_to_AMCs.pdf
I want to know if "The proposal to include applicants with +5 dioptres or more is accepted" at page 242, is valid for initial, revalidation or both applicants. Many thanks and regards.
PS. Good news for who has high myopia, have a look.

[Jerry Lee]

I have read the EASA CRD to NPA 2008-17c, and at the comment #170 (if I am not wrong) pre-operative limit in the case of myopia will be removed:) That's good for me, but I have still one question: what about the pre-operative limit in the case of astigmatism?
Are there any pre-operative limit in the case of astigmatism?
I would like to write to EASA regarding this question, which is their email for the medical issues?
Will these new standards help those who have already a CPL issued by an ICAO Country (USA and FAA for example)?

[Addemannen]

If I am squinting with my eyes, is it still possible to pass my medical 1 or 2 exam?

[AvMed.IN]

Squint, aka strabismus, is to be evaluated as per the following (ICAO Manual on Medical Assessment refers):-

"Screening: The applicant who is asymptomatic and has no past history of strabismus treatment with patching, orthoptics or surgery should be evaluated with regard to visual acuity, refraction, ocular motility and general health of the eyes. Ocular alignment should be tested with cover testing using the appropriate spectacle correction or contact lens correction. Sensory testing with the Worth four-dot test, measurement of stereopsis and measurement of fusional amplitudes are useful in evaluation of the binocular status.

Assessment: Applicants who do not normally pass the screening tests mentioned ought to be examined by an eye specialist. Based on a full sensory and motor evaluation of the applicant, the specialist may be able to estimate the risk of diplopia or shift in location. Symptoms of diplopia or location shift or a high risk of these would disqualify the applicant for class 1 and 2 certificates. Moderate risk of these symptoms may be acceptable for class 2 certificate. Minor risk of these symptoms may be acceptable for class 1 certification."

Hope this helps, or you may PM in case of any clarifications.

[mothminor]

Hi,
I hold ATPL and class 1 medical
I`m considering Lasik eye surgery to correct -4.75/-3.5 myopia.
I`m currently employed, so according to the CAA I will have to stop working for 3 months before I can regain my medical.
Has anyone else done this, or is it the caa`s way of stopping Airline pilots following the rest of the population?

[Baggers]

If I were you I would just go to the optician before, it will save you being messed around at your medical and having to come back to be retested or anything.

[sluggums]

I have held a UK Class 1 medical for the last 20 years, but have suffered a trauma in my left eye that may result in total blindness at worst, or poor vision at best (Poss worse than 6/9 corrected)

A few of my friends have said that there are pilots flying commecially in the UK, with 2 crew only restrictions etc., with only 1 eye. Can anyone comment on this??

Thx.

[Loose rivets]

I flew with the 9th UK pilot to be licensed with one eye. He'd flown 'Over the Hump' in Burma with half the airplane missing, so I imagine he'd probably have flown with half an eye if they'd have let him.


Forty years later, I was checked out on a new type by a lovely guy with one operational eye. Don't suppose things have changed that much in the last ten years. :ouch:

[Fly380]

A management pilot on the A320 (BA) in the late 80's was struck in the eye by a falling firework. The eye was badly damaged but he was allowed to keep his licence as long as he flew with a pilot with 2 good eyes. I think it said that in his licence. :ok:

[Jerry Lee]

I'm talking about this: http://easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/doc/crd/CRD%20b.%203%20-%20AMC-GM%20to%20Part-MED.pdf
These new normatives will allow me to obtain an initial JAA class 1; with the actual normatives I can't do it because of my astigmatism more than -2.0 dioptres: I have -3.0 in my left eye.

If they implement them at summer 2012 it will be great for me!

[lezah20]

I agree with you:ok:

[Farrell]

If this is the case.......why can't I get a Class 1 medical with amblyopia?

Frustrating!

[Loose rivets]

EDIT: A bit of a rant, and not for the first time, but so much can be gained by quick action in a young patient.


It was one of the times I left Colchester hospital in a serious rage. My son, aged about 18 monts, maybe two years, had a buildup of messy stuff in one eye. Various doctors prescribed antibiotics, one even taking a culture. None of it did any good.

I was really worried his visual circuits were not being developed at a critical age. He certainly couldn't see much out of that eye. We then went to see the main man. (read pompous git.)

What a display of look at me. Nurses, cleaners, anyone that happened to be passing. I've never seen anything like it. "I'm not probing bla bla bla...)


I took the kid home and put him on our bed. Got an Anglepoise lamp and good magnifying glass. There was a membrane of skin over the tear duct/drain. I made a tiny scalpel on the wrong end of a huge needle, and opened the duct up. Squished out fatty stuff just as one used to do a stye. I already had the antibiotic.

He was as right as rain in a couple of days after months.


The :mad: surgeon got his own back. He managed to blind my mother some time later during a routine cataract operation, by not acting on her warning about reacting to anesthetic. He took 'copious notes' my mother said, but did nothing. Her retina was pushed from the back of her eye during the reaction period.

[danieljdavies1]

Hi all,

Im new to this forum. Im 28 and was officially diagnosed with the disease in both eyes last year (even though i have suspected it for about 7/8 years). (just the people at vision express and specsavers didnt notice it until last year.

I was turned down for the RAF last year due to this

I have seen many specialists at the NHS and am now dealing with an optician recommended by the NHS. He has trialed about 3 different types of lenses with me but for some reason they either dont fit properly or the if they they do fit, the vision is poor.

I have recently had GPL's of which one eye is ok with them however the right eye isnt. Basically the GPL corrects the Kerocotonus , however is doesnt correct my poor vision. Since then i have been given another soft lense to try , which is rubbish! I am possibly going to mention piggy backing to him, as am guessing this will correct not only the KT but also my normal vision too? correct me if im wrong as im pretty new to all this,

This is affecting my life as I work on computers and constantly get headaches. I can not also drive after dark as the lights blast my head lol.

any feedback would be great from someone who knows or might have shared my experience,

cheers
Dan :D

[Fart Master]

What on earth has your post got to do with this thread?

While I accept that there are many incompetent doctors out there, your post is irrelevant

[22/04]

"If this is the case.......why can't I get a Class 1 medical with amblyopia?

Frustrating!"

I think they distinguish between having had two and losing one rather than not initally stating off with that condition

Always semed illlogical to me a too another amblyoptic!

[Fart Master]

I had a look at amblyopia, and granted it was only one website, but it said that it was possibly a neurological condition rather than an ocular complaint

[niknak]

Sluggums

As with many posts requiring a definitive answer, I would suggest that you telephone the CAA Medical Branch.

I suspect that you may be told something you don't really want to hear but the best of luck to you anyway.:ok:

[mlu032]

Hi,

I'm from England and have recently applied to Skyguide in Switzerland to be an ATC. They sent me a visual performance form to be filled out.
Here in the UK for Distance Vision I am 6/5 in both eyes and 6/4 for binocular vision however these values don't fit on the Swiss form as it requires minimum values of 0.7.

Does anyone know what system is used in Switzerland to measure visual acuity/does anyone have a formula to work the values out from the UK ones?

I did ask my optician but the values she worked out were incorrect and would put me under the minimum threshold which I'm not (I don't wear glasses and have no prescription).

Any answers are v. much appreciated!! Thankyou!!

Helen

[ramseyoptom]

Your V.A.s are 1.2 for each eye and 1.5 binocularly. So you are well within the requirements.

To change snellen fractions to snellen decimal it is just a standard arithmetical function.

Snellen 6/6 = 1.0: so 6/9 = 0.7 6/12 = 0.5 and 6/5 = 1.2

I hope this helps

[mlu032]

@ramseyoptom

Thank you so much that is great! Appears my optician has done the wrong calculations - phew was getting worried for a minute!


Helen

[THE FLYING MONKEY]

I have a JAA Class 1 medical and have myopia of -8 approx with some astigmatism but is stable. I have been told by the CAA that renewing my medical in the future will not be a problem as there is no renewal dioptre limit.
I was wondering however if this level of myopia would be a problem when applying to an airline? Does anyone know whether this would create a problem for me or do they generally accept the class 1

Thanks in advance. :ok:

[norton2005]

I shouldnt imagine so, as you either have a class 1 or you don't, and you do have a class 1 so you have met the medical standards prescribed by our country's aviation authority!! Just to let you know I too have a high prescription of myopia, and am flying happily with no problems at all. Everone that I've ever dealt with wanted to know simply if I had a class 1, end of story after that!:)

[SAS-A321]

I only know of a few airlines having a stricter requirement then the CAA: Luftwaffe, Luftwaffe Cityline, Luftwaffe Italia and some Asian airlines. Though I think the Asians are removing it slowly.
According to a doctor, Germany is one of the countries still wanting a limit on eyesight. :ugh:

[Dr Jekyll]

Lufthansa surely?

[Jerry Lee]

Due my problem, I will undertake flight training in USA, and then and carry out a JAA first class medical certification to renewal standards.
Many pilots did it so, I hope to be one of them, but I hear a bad thing (for me): This route is currently open but it is unclear how long it remain so.

Are there any probability that this route will be closed?

I hope it won't... :sad:

Furthermore, I hope that new requirements will be implemented next year.

Thanks in advance!

[topgunferrari]

Hey all

Im applying for a casa class 1 medical and im worried that my vision may not be up to the requirements for passing the medical. can anyone help me with what i will need to do if i fail? i have 6/12 vision in left eye and 6/9 in my right eye and im 6/6 with both eyes. I do wear glasses with a prescription on -0.75 which is a minor myopia case.

thanks for your hep

[Jerry Lee]

You should have no problem. Don't worry, you will start flying soon!;)

[FLAP ZERO]

Isn't there anyone with experience of a class 1 medical post LASIK that can offer their input?

[FLAP ZERO]

Sorry, the above post had no context because I was replying to a post I made 14 months ago (no replies) and it was moved to the vision thread.

The CAA document states that there must be no problems with glare following LASIK. Do they do a tangible test for that or is it entirely subjective?

Do Gatwick measure your vision under low light conditions? Check for halos/starbursts?

[Sterdex]

Hello,

(sorry for my bad english)

I have a scar on my retina, a consequence of congenital toxoplasmosis. This is not evolutive (scar is very ancient). And this don't affect my visual acuity (10/10 at each eye). But I have a poor binocular vision.

I would like to apply for SWISS cadet sheme. That's why I visited an aeronautic ophtalmologist in Switzerland. And he told me I couldn't apply for class 1 examination (in Switzerland, you must pass an eye examination before class 1). Fortunately, he didn't send the result to the class 1 medical center. The reason is that JAR rules about binocular vision could be modified in 2012 (do you know about that ?). So, in theory, I could try to visit a second swiss ophtalmologist.

In my project, if I can't fly in Switzerland, I would like to have modular training in UK. So I plan to pass the Class 1 in the UK. Do you know if I have any chance ? I heard some rumour that UK physicians are more "soft" than french or swiss physicians.

Thank you !!

[ramseyoptom]

Flap Zero wrote:
The CAA document states that there must be no problems with glare following LASIK. Do they do a tangible test for that or is it entirely subjective?

Do Gatwick measure your vision under low light conditions? Check for halos/starbursts?

There is no recognised clinical test to measure glare, haloes/starbursts, so it is subjective. However its existance can be demonstrated.

One method is to use what is called a contrast sensitivity chart, there are several types eg Pelli-Robinson, or Balliey-Lovie LogMAR. Here you compare on say a LogMAR chart the visual acuity at high (90%) contrast and then at low(10%) contrast. The normal difference being about 1 line more than that will indicate possible glare problems.
A glare source on such charts may just be the use of a simple spotlight, however there is also a test know as the Brightness Acuity Tester, which requires the subject to view a test chart through a hole in a bright disc.

So it is possible measure and check for glare etc, but it is mainly a subjective response.

There is one further caveat in that the more modern methods of refractive surgery treatments have much reduced levels of glare/starbursts/haloes as a complication of the surgery. I am afraid I do not have any current statistics to hand.

[ramseyoptom]

Hi Sterdex,

Out of interest what is you binocular vision problem?

It may be that by some orthoptic treatment that you may ( and I emphasise may) be able to bring it within the current limits. But without any details I can comment no further.

[Sterdex]

Unfortunately, I haven't the score of binocular tests. I had to identify a "relief point" among 4 in a circle, another test consisted in 4 numbers in green and red circles ... I had an average score, not all wrong but not all right (but I can improve this score : at the end of the tests, when I was more concentrated I was able to give better answers) . And I failed the stereogram test (a figure with a lot of black and white points).

I took an appointment with 2 french retina expert in Paris in order to have a clear check up of my vision. It will be in june ...

[jptaylor1973]

I would appreciate some advice regarding the impending change to EASA regulation and any potential impact to medical certification. I have recently gained my Class 1 in preparation to start my ATPL training, but have a temporary restriction as my eyes don't meet the standard for inital accreditation. The CAA view my eye health to be satisfactory and well within acceptable parameters for medical revalidation, such that the restriction would normally be removed when I renew under CAA rules. They have however stated that this route could be removed under EASA rules. Does anyone know of any moves by EASA to change the rules regarding medical revalidation that would limit my ability to gain by ATPL.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer.

[BabyBear]

Morning Folks,

I am beginning to run out of superglue to continue fixing my reading specs and have decided it is time to go have an eye test and buy new glasses.

Assuming the prescription changes (for reading only) what are the notification requirements, if any?

Thanks.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Nothing until your next medical. You will be expected to have the specs with you to prove that you can read with them. I updated my reading specs every years for about 15 years without any problems.

[BabyBear]

Thanks HD, it surprises me the CAA are happy to wait until the next medical for evidence one can read with the new specs, a pleasant surprise indeed.

[Flyin'Dutch']

Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen.

[TommyOv]

Hello all,

Bit of a weird one; would appreciate any thoughts on the below:

My vision is pretty good: I've never worn corrective lenses and I have eye tests every year as part of my medical as an Air Cadet gliding instructor.

However, I've noticed for the past few years that sometimes my pupils are different sizes. Specifically, my left eye seems to take longer to respond to changes in light conditions. Generally they're about the same size (sometimes exactly), but sometimes they're both quite different.

More recently (6 months or so) I've noticed a strange effect whilst flying. Often on climbout, as I glance at the altimeter, the primary needle appears to 'flick' back a degree or two, before returning to where I originally saw it. This only lasts a fraction of a second. I'm thinking that the problem is likely to be a small lag in movement between my right eye moving and my left eye following it. My girlfriend (a junior doctor) says that she can sometimes see a slight lag when she waves her finger in front of my eyes, but isn't really able to offer any stunning medical insights, or relate it to aviation medicals.

So my questions to the medical boffins of pprune are:

1) Is this worth worrying about?
2) Does anyone else have this?
3) Am I going blind?:eek:
4) Could this be a problem in any future class 1 or 2 aviation medicals?

[roma_ua]

Hi everyone.
Currently, I have Class 3 Medical Certificate and I want to start my PPL-ATPL training. The only problem is my eyesight. I`m short eye sighted a bit.

I`ve just read this:


Eye standards for a first-class airman medical certificate are:
(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses) are necessary for 20/20 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman certificate.
(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If age 50 or older, near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at both 16 inches and 32 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses.

As far as I understand if I wear glasses or lenses I can pass eye sight tests? Could anyone one confirm that I understand the text correctly?
Those numbers are not ring any bells in my mind :(
I just dont want to make LASIK eye surgery because in every day life I do not suffer much from my shortsightednes.

[Kestral757]

Hi Guys,

Does anybody know if a chalazion cyst on the bottom of the eyelid is problem when it comes to the Class 1 medical?



Thanks

[Mungaloid]

Hi,

I have been the holder of a Class 1 medical (CASA and South Africa), and am required to wear corrective lenses....

However I have a JAR Class 1 booked for tuesday, and I don't know why but decidedd to pop in to an optician and have my eyes checked out. I never knew what my prescription was previously, but it hasn't changed (confirmed by a quick call to my previous optician). The reults were as follows

R 0.0 -2.75 2
L 0.0 -3.25 179,

Much to my horror I will not even get a JAR Class 2 Medical with this!! I have held a Class 1 since 2003.

Obviously I will call Gatwick Medical Centre on Monday to find out what they have to say. However, what are the realistic chances of getting a JAR class 1?

Any advice is greatly appreciated...

Thanks

[iwrbf]

Hi,

Europe / JAR

Left eye: ca. 0.00 to -0.25 dioptres
Right eye: ca. -1.75 to -2.25 dioptres

No astigmatism
No other factors against a class 1 medical

- How is the UK CAA's policy about a marginal anisometropia of 1.75-2.25?

- Are there countries more tolerant about this?

- If I would take action in form of some kind of refractive surgery (Not flying, I would do this TODAY) - would they accept the new refractive error? Or would they say "Boy, you were a 2.25... we don't care what there's now..."?

- Someone here with a "been there done that" on this? :-)

[teawhite&none]

Is there an eye specialist in the house?
Hello all,

Bit of a weird one; would appreciate any thoughts on the below:

My vision is pretty good: I've never worn corrective lenses and I have eye tests every year as part of my medical as an Air Cadet gliding instructor.

However, I've noticed for the past few years that sometimes my pupils are different sizes. Specifically, my left eye seems to take longer to respond to changes in light conditions. Generally they're about the same size (sometimes exactly), but sometimes they're both quite different.

More recently (6 months or so) I've noticed a strange effect whilst flying. Often on climbout, as I glance at the altimeter, the primary needle appears to 'flick' back a degree or two, before returning to where I originally saw it. This only lasts a fraction of a second. I'm thinking that the problem is likely to be a small lag in movement between my right eye moving and my left eye following it. My girlfriend (a junior doctor) says that she can sometimes see a slight lag when she waves her finger in front of my eyes, but isn't really able to offer any stunning medical insights, or relate it to aviation medicals.

So my questions to the medical boffins of pprune are:

1) Is this worth worrying about?
2) Does anyone else have this?
3) Am I going blind?:eek:
4) Could this be a problem in any future class 1 or 2 aviation medicals?

Regards to all,

Tom


Hi Tom,
Just noticed your post here! I also noticed this a couple of weeks ago (and subsequently made the mistake of googling 'unequal pupils', not something I'd recommend, had me in a right panic!). I've not had any other symptoms or problems with my vision but I went to see my optician who, together with my GP, has referred me up to the opthalmologist just to be on the safe side. Apparently it's pretty common (I believe 1 in 5 people have it to some degree!) and it's possible I've always had slightly crazy eyes and just never noticed it before (I notice it all the time now but it could just be that I am looking for it!). It's probably nothing to worry about but it's worth getting it checked out as it can be a sign of some quite serious underlying conditions (however if you've had it for a few years it's probably nothing!). I've just got off the phone to the CAA at Gatwick and they said that as long as it doesn't affect my vision it wont affect my Class 1. Anyway, worth getting checked out by a professional but not somethign I'd worry too much about. :ok:

[jakeekaj]

Had an appointment yesterday with the local optician. Gave him the Class 1 visual requirements and asked if i'd be able to pass. We completed the examination he said I should have no problem passing the visual side of the medical.

My right eye is +3.75 (Sph) which -0.25 (Cyl) and 90 (Axis)
My left eye is +0.50 (Sph)

My only concern is, my right eye is scarily close to +5, the class 1 maximum. I'm 17 years old and just wondered does anyone think that my vision will deteriorate outside the limits. If it does, is there anything I can do to get it back within the limits (i.e surgery) or do the standards become broader once initial examination is passed.

I'd hate to gain a class 1 medical, complete all the CPL/ATPL training then find out a couple of years down the line that my vision no longer is acceptable in my right eye, to pass the class 1 medical. :confused:

Much appreciated, Jake.

[Mickey Kaye]

"My only concern is, my right eye is scarily close to +5, the class 1 maximum. I'm 17 years old and just wondered does anyone think that my vision will deteriorate outside the limits."

No its not.
No I don't

Whats you Visual Acuity I wouldn't be surprised if you have some mild amblyopia in that eye

[jakeekaj]

According to the examination card the optician gave me.

Right eye 6/6+3
Left eye 6/4

[Mickey Kaye]

Yes I would expect that but the visual acuity obtain is still pretty good.

Your main problems however is the amount of anisometropia which is outside the limits for a class one. (In fact your outside the limits for a class two - 3 diopters)

I have no idea how they came up with these values and I would be surprised if there is any evidence based medicine to justify their stance.

What optican did you go to? Specsavers? surely the optom must have read and advised you about your anisometropia.

[jakeekaj]

The optician never mentioned anything about anisometropia. I'm presuming then I cant pass a medical (both class 1 or class 2)?
Where on the class 1 visual standards does it state this?

[Eurotraveller]

Jake,

Have a look at the distance vision section here (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED_JAR_C1_Initial_Visual_Stds(December2010).pdf).

As it says in the document, I recommend you get in touch with the CAA at Gatwick for further advice, they are very helpful.

Good luck

[Loose rivets]

Tom and Tea. I've only just picked up on this because so much of this thread these days is asking about regulations.

I trust Tom, that you'll follow Tea with a full checkup - SASPO. If your doctor doesn't want to bother referring you, insist.

It's true it might be little to worry about, but you must find out why it has changed.

The altimeter needle thing. That's an odd one, but not for the reasons you may think. Some people see a regular flow of the needle, say when climbing, and this is constant. When others look away, and then back to the needle, it seems to have stuck while you're not looking, but then resumes normally with its rotation. This is normal, and has to do with the brain buffering information - and handing you what some sub-processing thinks you should be expecting.

[TommyOv]

Tea, thanks for your reply. As a rule I avoid googling any medical condition as it's liable to send one into a panic, convinced that you have only minutes left to live! I trust that your referral went OK?

Loose Rivets, thanks also. I did go to see my GP shortly after posting, and she didn't seem too bothered and said it wasn't worth referring me to a specialist (she was also pretty nonplussed with my impersonation of an altimeter). I now wish I'd been more insistent on asking for a referral.

Your 'alternative' explanation of the altimeter needle thing is very interesting. Next time I'm in the cockpit I'll bear it in mind and will see if the picture fits, so to speak.

Either way I think I'll have this looked into again. I can certainly live with it as it has no practical impact whatsoever on my vision, but better to have this confirmed, I think.

[teawhite&none]

Yeah the google diagnosis was something along those lines! Lesson learned though (until the next time). Appointment is later this week so I'll let you know. As for the referral it was actually my optician who initiated it (after a bit of pushing from me) so I'd maybe try a visit to see your optician rather than your GP. :ok:

[LucasGaedeke]

Hi Everyone,
As many of you I dream of becoming an Airline pilot since many years. I was born with a strabismus and had 4 surgeries since then. The last surgery was 5 years ago when I was 18.

I managed to get a German class 2 and did my German ppl-a back in 2006. Currently I study in Florida and was able to get a FAA class 1 medical with no restrictions. I finished my US commercial instrument in 2010.

I have never thought of getting a class 1 in any country. I only made it because of the help of many good people including my medical examiner.

Now the problem I have is that I want to fly and live in Europe and that I need to get a JAA class1 intitial to do so. I am pretty sure they will fail me after reading through many previous posts.

I have a clearly visible strabismus (eso and up) especially when Im tired or when I focus with the right eye (I can switch between my eyes). It has been a couple of years since I have visited an opthamologist, which is why I cannot remember my exact symptoms. The things I know are that I don't have double vision, I have 20/20 eyesight and a normal field of vision. I do not have stereo vision and cant see whats on the test cards.

I would apreciate it if some of you share your experience and if you think that the faa class1, jaa class2 and faa ratings I currently hold will help me pass the jaa class 1? I have 170 hours total time.

Thank you all very much!!

[teawhite&none]

Just an update he diagnosed it as Holmes-Adie pupil. Said if it wasn't affecting my vision already it wasn't likely to cause me any problems in the future (although I've gone and done it, I've put it in to google!). There seems to be conflicting information online with some sites saying it's non-progressive and therefore I shouldn't worry about developing new symptoms, but with other sites saying it can get worse with age and go on to affect both eyes :eek:. Anyone any the wiser?

[roma_ua]

Could anyone reply?

Currently, I have Class 3 Medical Certificate and I want to start my PPL-ATPL training. The only problem is my eyesight. I`m short eye sighted a bit.

I`ve just read this:

Eye standards for a first-class airman medical certificate are:
(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses) are necessary for 20/20 vision, the person may be eligible only on the condition that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman certificate.
(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If age 50 or older, near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at both 16 inches and 32 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses.

As far as I understand if I wear glasses or lenses I can pass eye sight tests? Could anyone one confirm that I understand the text correctly?
Those numbers are not ring any bells in my mind :(
I just dont want to make LASIK eye surgery because in every day life I do not suffer much from my shortsightednes.

[747 forever]

Hi,
so anyway Im currently 15. I have had great eyesight when I was young but when I was 13 it went down. Now Im about 15:20. This really worries me because if you don`t have what it takes in the medical exam you can`t fly. Im soooooo worried because it is a really what I want to be. Can someone give me an advise on how to get better eyesight so I can pass the medical exam.

[Chuck-ski]

Hi guys,

I'm a new addition to the forum. I'm a 29 years old wannabe (with 1.00 hours TFT !) thats just almost scraped enough cash for his full whack ATPL course. I have undergone my Initial Class 1 medical at Gatwick 2 weeks ago (11th May) & would like to share my experiences with you since the results of my vision tests will hopefully be of value to some fellow wannabes.

Firstly, the other tests were all spot, well within limits EXCEPT of course for the vision.

Although my current post-LASIK vision was satisfactory (0.00 & +0.25) I did have LASIK 5 years ago. My limits pre-LASIK were as follows:


R eye (sphere) -6.50
L eye (sphere) -6.00

R eye (cyclic) -0.50
L eye (cyclic) -0.50

Thats a TOTAL error of -7.00 & -6.50, both outside the limit.

Because I had LASIK I had to have two additional tests done on my eyes in addition to the usual stuff.

First was the "spot the polo mint through the welding mask" test.

Secondly I had to have drops put in to open up my pupils, for the Aeroexaminer (Adrian - nice man) to have a good poke round the back of my eyes with a torch (pardon the pun). Beware that the drops make you very sensitive to light and you wont be able to drive for a few hours (I just went to the airport to watch the planes touching down until they wore off).

In the end all my eye functions were well within tolerances (colour vision, peripheral vision, condition of the eye) AND my LASIK was done 5 years ago, so was very stable. This all boiled down to the Aeroexaminer saying that he was happy with my eyes and in view of my current good overall health & prescription was perfectly happy to grant me a deviation to my UNLIMITED Class-1 certificate due to excessive pre-LASIK prescriptive limits (Unlimited G-reg aircraft operations :)).

Now the interesting bits.

He said that deviation will NOT be automatically recognized by individual JAR countries, I would have to ask individual CAA's if they would honour the deviation (He reassured me that if someone from another JAR country came to them with a deviation they would normally accept it).

On a personal note he also suggested to hold onto my purse until EASA kicks in since even he was mudddled as to what is going to happen. He said that the last draft of EASA FCL he's seen still had the pre-prescription limits in it... :ugh: (yes I know...)

He also said he was unaware of what is going to happen to grandfather rights but confirmed that getting the Class-1 before EASA is a prudent move.

Overall I thought they were a good, friendly bunch of people & I didn't feel too stressed - exept when I found I pee'd into somebody else's paper cup...:eek:

[PilotEv]

Hi,

I had a class 2 medical exam for my student pilots licence today.

My Doctor mentioned with my sight(I wear glasses, I never considered my vision to be massively bad though, well not till today) I wouldn't be able to ever be a commercial international pilot, although a domestic commercial pilot is ok.

He also mention laser eye surgery is frowned upon, from reading Chuck's post it looks like some countries this might be acceptable. Could anyone point me in the right direction to clarify for an International pilot? Would the local aviation authority be the right place, in my case CASA?
Don't really want my dream shot down so early in the piece.

[Arturo Lan]

Roma ua,

What you write sounds like FAA´s class 1 and yes, it is correct. As long as you can achieve 20/20 vision, it doesn´t matter how much diopters you have...and of course as long as all other eyes functions are also normal i.e. color vision, normal fields etc.

If you will study in Europe, requirements are a bit different.

[BYR]

Hello guys

Gonna take my medical pretty soon. I went to my doctor a while ago and he concluded that my left eye is perfect (1.00) but my right eye is 0.67 or 6/9 I believe it was called as well.

I can see perfectly fine with both my eyes together but not so that great with my right eye only.

My question is, do I need contact lenses or do you think I will be allowed to fly uncorrected? If it turns out I need some sort of correction, will they tell me and approve the medical or will I fail the medical and have to try again once I get contact lenses?

[Scottish.CPL]

you will need to use glasses or contacts to correct your vision, all that will happen is that the doctor will stamp your medical with a restriction that you must use your correction while flying, so that you and your medical are legal..

[BYR]

Thanks a lot for clearing that up. That's too bad though because I dont feel I need lenses at all, but I guess it's better than not flying at all :ok:

[Chuck-ski]

Think of glasses/lenses as part of your uniform :)

[paulryan1990]

an update on my case:

i have monocular vision( functionally , left eye is 20/200)

i have managed to get a FAA class 1 with the need for a medical flight test to get a soda(statment of demonstrated ability)
and
a class 2 CAA medical with the need for a medical flight test.

[Jerry Lee]

How much time is required to wait to get again the class 1 medical CASA by the DAME to fly after a LASIK surgery?

[Scottish.CPL]

hi jerry lee

your best option would be to google it for source out the authoirty's website for that answer, as this is a general forum, many ansers appear and many are not accurate, i tired to source but it was not easy, mabye contact them direct..

[Jerry Lee]

Yes, so did I. I tried but nothing yet.
I'll probably contact a doctor who is located in Stansted; his approved by CASA, as well.

[dlcmdrx]

So, are the rules gonna change on april 2012? If so will it be like the faa, 20/20 with lenses?

[Hot_LZ]

A question for those in the know or of similar experience. When down at Gatwick getting my Class 1 a few weeks back i got chatting to a young man also in for his medical. With the sitting about i got chatting to him and it appeared he was set on flying airlines.

He had been in his medical longer than i was and was still there when i left. Just before leaving i asked if all was well and he mentioned he was waiting to see the Dept head as he had not declared laser surgery. I had to go as a friend was waiting to take me to Kent and i didnt catch this his number.

What would have been his outcome? He was a charming young guy and id like to know what happened to him.

[Chuck-ski]

When you have had a laser op. then the class 1 takes a bit longer - due to them performing additional tests. One of the tests with me involved eye drops to open up the corneas so the examiner could have a look at the back of my eye. All this slowed the whole thing down considerably. I doubt they have seen their a**e as I have forgotten to tick a box on a form as well but then mentioned my laser-op when they asked verbally. The doctor just ticked the box and it was fine. Mind you, in my case it was obvious I simply forgot to tick the box - if they asked him and he lied but optical examiner then has found (through examining of the eye) that he DID have the op, well, thats different I suppose :=

[MBrandao]

I'm considering going through a Lasik surgery also.
Have you already done yours?
I'm afraid of losing night vision or getting too sensitive to the
light..

[BabyBear]

Having sat on my specs. once too often I have little option other than replace them, however it seems sensible to have an eye test rather than simply buy using the previous prescription.

Given my medical renewal is not due I am unsure how to ensure I remain legal?

Assuming my prescription will have changed (for reading only) what is the procedure? Given I already hold a valid class 2 is it necessary to have the necessary examinations, suffering the related costs, to fully complete Med 162, including colour vision etc. and once complete do I send it directly to the CAA, do I send it to an AME for approval only, or to the CAA via an AME?

[ltua330]

Hi

Would someone be able to help me please or point me in the right direction regarding whether if you wear glasses can you still become a commercial pilot,my boy is looking into it and it would be good to know before pursuing this career.
many thanks

[Big Duke 6]

Just came across this, was all i could find regarding EASA - medicals in the future.

http://easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/r/doc/NPA/NPA%202008-17c.pdf

[WELCO]

EASA medical requirements are expected to be a bit more relaxed with regards to visual limits. I guess EASA should take over by April 2012. The PDF file above is only the draft for the final rule making, however it could well be very similar to the actual future requirements.


Good luck.

[chris2309]

I too obtained a Class 1 last year and it was issued with a deviation due to my eyesight prescription, however the deviation won't be removed until I obtain my CPL.

I was told when I had my initial exam done that EASA might not accept deviated medicals but it would be a few years before their new rules came into force. I was therefore worried when I received the standard letter a few weeks back stating that EASA guidelines were coming into force next April!!

I contacted the CAA straight away about it as I may be hard pressed to get the remainder of my exams passed and CPL completed before this time. I was told by the CAA that they are still none the wiser what the new guidelines will be or when EASA's new medical standards will come into force. It didn't fill me with too much confidence to be honest as the last thing I want after having spent so much time and money training for my CPL for them to turn around and say my medical is no longer valid.

I also asked the CAA how much notice they anticipate they could give to people like myself of when the impending changes will come into force and again they couldn’t answer that either

[roma_ua]

Currently, I have Class 3 Medical Certificate and I want to start my PPL-ATPL training.
So I need to get Medical Class 1 before I start my education.
The only problem is my eyesight. I`m short eye sighted a bit.

Accordingly, to JAR Cleass 1 Initial Examination Visual Standards:

Eye standards for a first-class airman medical certificate are:
(a) Distant visual acuity of 20/20 or better in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses. If
corrective lenses (spectacles or contact lenses) are necessary for 20/20 vision, the person may be eligible only
on the condition that corrective lenses are worn while exercising the privileges of an airman certificate.
(b) Near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at 16 inches in each eye separately, with or without
corrective lenses. If age 50 or older, near vision of 20/40 or better, Snellen equivalent, at both 16 inches and
32 inches in each eye separately, with or without corrective lenses.

As far as I understand if I wear glasses or lenses I can pass initial medical eye sight tests?
Do I understand text correctly? In every day life I don`t wear glasses, but I`m not sure I could see smallest letters in the chart. (I think I can see middle section of the chart and above). So the main question is:
- If I have glasses (not very strong), can I pass initial Class 1 vision test or on initial test I should have 100% vision?
(Sent emails to a few AMEs and still waiting for the answer)

[Flyin'Dutch']

Are you sure that those are JAR/EASA standards?

[Flyin'Dutch']

Hi

Would someone be able to help me please or point me in the right direction regarding whether if you wear glasses can you still become a commercial pilot,my boy is looking into it and it would be good to know before pursuing this career.
many thanks



http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED_JAR_C1_Initial_Visual_Stds(December2010).pdf

[roma_ua]

Yes. I`m sure. Taken from here JAR Class 1 and 2 medicals | Medical | Safety Regulation (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49&pagetype=68&gid=211)

[Big Duke 6]

I am considering eye laser surgery and want info regarding, where is the best Hospital/practice for laser eye consultation?

I persume in London , any suggestions please. Either a private practice or particular eye hospital.

[PPRuNe Pop]

MOORFIELDS is the one. However, it is usual to be referred there by a GP - if you are NHS authorized - otherwise it will cost you a BOMB. The route then will be private then Moorfields if it is thought that is the route. It would certainly be faster.

[davydine]

Hi All,

Not sure if this should be added to the vision thread, Mods. please feel free to move if appropriate.

I am due for an eye test shortly and really need to buy a new pair of glasses. I don't think my prescription has changed but current glasses are old!

I am a pretty high prescription, about -12 in one eye and -10 in the other, so I will be looking for high index lenses. I would appreciate any advice from you all about which is the best make of high index lenses and is glass or plastic better. I know glass is harder wearing but is also much heavier...

I am hoping I might be able to start NPPL training during the life time of the next pair of glasses (subject, of course, to EASA changing all the rules!:ok:) so any advice would begreatfully received...

David

[Tutaewera]

Hi. I see that EASA has removed the uncorrected visual standards from its new draft MED regulations. The draft says law by April 2012.

However does anyone know if any JAR nations have already adopted these standards? One forum said some JAR states would have it by October 2011...

I ask as I have to get a Portuguese FCL Class 1 medical shortly and I have quite a lot of astigmatism (5 dioptres from memory?) in my left eye, and maybe 2 D in my right eye, Corrected vision is fine (6/6) and I hold class 1 medicals in other countries that like EASA, have no "uncorrected" limits.

I know the 2006 JAR FCL3 Class 1 can, (under some circumstances) allow people with high corrections etc to pass if they correct OK and are experienced etc, but I don't know if I can trust that... (Have 10K+ TT, 4K jet etc).

Anybody know? Thanks...

[asdik]

So here comes my story...
I applied unsuccessfully for class 1 medical three years ago. According to AME, my condition was disqualifying as per JAR-FCL 3 requirements. I chose a different career in aviation as a result.

About 4-5 years ago I was diagnosed with some retinal degenerations in both eyes. I received some laser therapy and have had no problems afterwards, getting my retina checked once a year just to be safe though. My vision has stayed at -1,25 / -1,0.

JAR-FCL 3 states following:
Cataract surgery, retinal surgery and glaucoma surgery entail unfitness. [ ][A fit assessment] may be considered by the AMS [at revalidation or renewal] (see paragraph 7 Appendix 13 to Subpart C).

Paragraph 7 Appendix 13:
(b) Retinal surgery. [ ][A fit assessment] for Class [ ][2] and [ ][a fit assessment] for Class [ ][1 at revalidation or renewal] may be considered by the AMS normally 6 months after successful surgery. [A fit assessment for Class 1 and 2 may be acceptable to the AMS after retinal Laser therapy.] [ ][Follow-up, as necessary, will be determined by the AMS].

So is my case hopeless or is there a way of passing class 1 medical examination with my condition?
I have not gone through the future EASA medical regulation documentation yet. Could it improve my chances?

It's a very specific topic, I was just hoping, that some of you could suggest how to approach this. Maybe you have some specialists I could contact in order to work this out or have been diagnosed with a similar condition?

Any feedback would be highly appreciated..:)

[long final]

Hello all,

Forgive me if this has been done before. I have astigmatism and am able to have laser treatment to correct this condition. Can anyone describe Class 1 medical limitations/requirements regarding this?

Thanks.

[Jerry Lee]

In case of LASIK surgery you need 3 months to re-instate your class 1 medical, whereas in case of PRK surgery you need 6 months to re-instate your class 1 medical.
In the case you are not yet a professional pilot or have already started your flight training, I would suggest to get your medical 3-4 months after the operation in the case of LASIK surgery.

Awh, I would even say nothing about the operation then.

I suggest you to go to Dr Orton, located in Stansted.


More than 2 dioptres, eh? If yes, I am in your same situation and I'm unfit for class 1 medical in Europe. In November we will have news about new regulation that will enter in force by april 2012. Thanks to these new regulations I will be fit for a class 1 medical, all pre-operative limitations in case of myopia will be removed, dunno about astigmatism though.

I will probably spent 1 or 2 years in the USA where I will undergo a LASIK or PRK surgery and later convert my licences to JAA. FAA does not require 3 months in case of eye surgery, so I would be able to get in the sky just after the opthalmologist checks my eyes ater 7-10 days the operation and declares me able to fly without any problems by filling a simple module to be sent to the FAA.

Hope EASA will adopt the same procedures soon.

Very professional and it will take only 1 or 2 hours instaed of a whole morning.

JL

[long final]

Jerry thanks for the comments. Peter is my AME so maybe best if I start and have a chat with him. I am 3 dioptre, though got my class 1 years ago because I held an FAA CPL and could be tested on the revalidation figures then (3 or under)

If it is only three months then probably a path to take.

Thanks for your time.

[Jerry Lee]

Even with the old and actual regulations, a pilot would be considered fit with more than 3 dioptres of astigmatism in the case of revalidation.

That's why I will go in America and then convert my CPL.

[adamang]

I read that the requirements for SIA Cadet Pilots recruitment is 'Myopia of not more than 500 degrees and astigmatism of not more than 125 degrees, fully correctable with optical aids. Visual acuity of at least 6/60, correctable to 6/6. For candidates who have undergone corrective eye surgery (e.g. Lasik), the pre-surgical visual acuity should also meet the above requirements'.

If I have overshot the myopia degrees in one of my eyes but I still plan to go for Lasik is it still possible to get in? If not, how do they check after the lasik operation?

[athonite]

Most pilots who have never needed glasses begin to require reading glasses in thier forties for near distance sight and in low light due to Presbyopia. Once starting to wear reading glasses one wonders if it compounds the situation requiring stronger reading glasses over time.

Just wondered if anyone had tried eye exercises and an improved diet with any success!

[Bertie Thruster]

Waiting for the 'Glassesoff' I-Phone App.

[homonculus]

In a word

No

[Loose rivets]

My wife was half way though 'Better Sight Without Glasses,' when she gave up and got a pair of readers.

Interesting book that, written in a quaint old-style English.


One of the great problems with building up eye muscles is that some of the things you're trying to strengthen are slack in the difficult bracket. It would be like pushing a piece of string.

[330airbus]

I have very weak eyes at -4 on each eye.
Is this going to be an issue for me to obtain my Medical 1 from QR?

It is getting me very worried.
Thank you and regards,

330A

[Bertie Thruster]

Apparently 'glassesoff' app uses processing modification.(new synapses, I assume) rather that muscle training.

[terrican]

My son had two surgeries for strabismus. One at 1 yrs.old and the second at 6 yrs.old. Although the surgeries made his eyes look better they did not help his vision too much. He was alternating his eyes to see (didn't know this was possible) and the doctor that did the surgery didn't tell me he could not use bith eyes together. I came across vision therapy, and althought his doctor said it would be a waste of time and money, I decided to try it.

The first vision therapy place I went to was not helpful. I then took him to the college of optometry, where they started vt exercises with my son. About a month or two into the vt, he started to get double vision, which cleared up. From that day forward, he has been able to use both eyes together and now has binocular vision. His depth perception has also improved. Till this day he has not needed surgery or vt. He is able to wear contacts and thank God is seeing well. Please get vision therapy, it really does work!! It has been over 3 yrs. now. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to know. Best of luck!

[SilveR5]

Hello everybody... How is it going?

I hope that moderators don't merge this thread to any another one, as the topic here is a bit unique, I think!:rolleyes:

I've researched the internet trying to find natural, risk-free and effective methods to improve or regain the eye functions and visual acuity. Thank God, my eyes are good enough to maintain class 1 medical, but I"m just worried about the future! Plus that keeping good eyesight is simply important to everybody everywhere!!

I've heard and read lots of stories about people who were able to improve their distant vision, near vision, squint, strabismus, or even strabismic amblyopia (lazy eye with squint) using visual therapy techniques or some kind of eye exercises! Sounds brilliant..!!! However, I got lost in the search results! I don't know which of these does really work, and which is just a false claim to get the customers' money! I cannot separate science from fiction there!

So to all ppruners... I hope that you provide your inputs on this topic, share your story if you have tried anything as such... You know that our eyes are one of our biggest assets in this career.. Probably there are lots of people out there who really want to secure their future on the flight deck, others want to join in, others who are really good and highly motivated people and truly skilled but they just can't get the job because of a tiny single line at the bottom of an illuminated board that they can't fully distinguish and read 6 meters away! May be there is a real and safe solution for all of them somewhere out there to give them back the hope!


Cheers.

[JWLBOYCE]

Hi,

I spent 4 years working on something called the Bates Method - google it and you can find out loads.

For me, unfortunately, there was no success, indeed my acuity worsened over the time from -0.25 to -2.25, but I have heard of other people who claim to have improved their eyesight.

For me, my optition has convinced me that myopia and other acuity problems are genetic, but there are loads of different views out there.

Hope this helps.

[JWLBOYCE]

Also, I should mention that you don't have to have 6/6 vision naturally to fly - I'm not sure about the Class 1 standards in Bahrain, but here in the UK you can be between +5 and -6 for the initial medical, providing you are corrected to 6/6 with both eyes together and 6/9 in each eye seperately.

After the initial medical there are no further limits, so you can have any error of refraction, and providing you can be corrected to the standards above you will pass the visual section of the medical.

[SilveR5]

I have a JAA class 1 from the UK as well... but just to clarify, I'm talking about , for example, those who cannot achieve 6/9 in each eye separately with or without correction.. Or those who can't achieve 6/6 with both eyes with or without correction!

Only a slight scent of improvement in their vision could dramatically change their lives to the better!

Thanks for your input anyway!:ok:

[Union Jack]

.... as the topic here is a bit unique ....

Silver - Perhaps not completely unique since there is further recent comment at Post 1743 on

http://www.pprune.org/medical-health/220545-vision-thread-other-than-colour-vision-59.htm

and probably more earlier on in that lengthy thread too.

I have also heard of unverified claims that "pinhole" glasses (qv) can help to improve visual acuity, and I've certainly lost count of the number of times making an emergency "pinhole" by curling my forefinger behind my thumb has saved the day when I have no glasses to hand!:cool:

Jack

Jack

[SilveR5]

Thanks Jack. I appreciate your help, but these are very little comments and sporadic.. There are plenty of stuff other than Bates method, pinhole glasses, and iPhone app! There are lots and lots of techniques and therapy initiatives from various parts of the world. & trust me, there are so many others are entering the list everyday!

Some people might have tried something that worked well, other methods might have not proven any improvement.. I guess lots of people would be interested to know about these. I hope this thread remains dedicated to serve this purpose and see if it could help somebody ... or at least save his/her time searching around!

[JWLBOYCE]

Generally everyone is correctable to the required standards - there are people who have -25 eyesight corrected to 6/6, so it wouldn't be something I would get too concerned about.

Usually errors of refraction stop getting worse when people stop growing, at around the age of 21, but there are cases (not sure how common it is) of "Pathological Myopia" which means that the eye doesn't stop growing, hence making the error of refraction worse.

I shouldn't worry about that though.

[SilveR5]

terrican

Please Check your PM.

Thanks

[Bobbyfly]

Hi there,

I recently went to a class 1 medical at Gatwick and was refused a Class 1 on the grounds of 'excess exophoria'. The value of my exophoria was 16. I was absolutely gutted to receive the news as I was due to start ATPL training this month and had no idea of the problem. I was wondering if anyone on here has been refused a class 1 due to exophoria and if anybody has had surgery to correct it? I am currently getting a second opinion from the NHS and am looking at surgical options.

Thanks,

Bobby

[David Horn]

Hi Bobbyfly - the problem with heterophoria (eso or exo) is that when tired there's a possibility of losing fusion, leading to double vision.

I have no idea whether it's correctable through surgery, which is usually only done on adults for cosmetic reasons (and hence pointless for a phoria).

Your best bet at this point is to try to gain an appointment with a consultant ophthalmologist (your GP can set it up though there's a waiting list, obviously) and get a professional opinion over whether it can be corrected. You then need to send that off to the CAA and await their response.

Good luck!

[Vortex5]

Hello chaps and chapettes,

I'm wanting to join the Fleet Air Arm after uni and had my medical for the RNR the other day. The RN Doctor said that I was all fit and fine for aircrew however the one thing that was letting me down was my left eye. ( R -0.75 L-1.00 ) the standards are both eyes have to be the maximum -0.75. The doc said cause it was off by a 'whisker' and then showed me the opticians documents where I was ticked for VA1 but then changed to VA2 saying that the opticians must of changed his mind to rightfully put me in VA2, but shows just how close I was to passing as VA1 for aircrew. The doctor said to me after uni if I were to join up they'd probably give me another eye test and recommended I started to wear my glasses ( as I never wear them ) and to drink lots of water to try and hydrate my eyes. I was wondering, would this even work?

regards
V5

[Jerry Lee]

Is it in this month that we will have some news from EASA about new regulations entering into force by april 2012?

Any news?

[Scoobster]

Folks,

I have a bit of a problem in relation to the Visual Field in one eye. I posted the problem a few years back in this forum after having the door slammed shut by the CAA telling me that they doubt I will meet the requirements for the Class 1 Medical.

I thought I could live a normal existence without trying to become a pilot and decided to 'bury' the flying dream for good and work in my normal office day job for the rest of my life and live a normal existence and fear also gripped me as to how successful I would be if at all in the long and ardous journey of getting to the Flight Deck. The problem is no matter how hard I have tried I just cant get it out of my head and have to make some attempt at reaching the goal before its too late :{

The yearning is still there day after day when I sit as a PAX for business travel and thinking 'if only' and the urge keeps coming back and I recently flew QR from London to Doha - which prompted me to kick myself up the backside and make an attempt at this - starting with the PPL at least.

I want to bounce some ideas regarding alternative licensing solutions and the likely hood of success in say GCC/Middle East or maybe go FAA, Transport Canada and target the Middle Eastern carriers as I will still be battling with the UK CAA.

I have a Visual Field Defect - this pretty much rules out the UK CAA as I am 'on file' but have never actually gone for the JAA Class 1 due to being 'on file'.

The plan is:

To start my PPL next month at Stapleford but I will have to get my Class 2 revalidated before I fly Solo as it was 'suspended by the CAA' and my file will be resurrected once again thus preventing the Class 1.

Are there any alternative solutions for medical licensing?

I don't know how this will work out - but the initial plan is of obtaining a JAA Class 1 - hoping over to the states for a PPL Medical Flight Test lifting the restriction on the Class 1 or to Canada to pursue the CPL/IR, hours build etc and then try and target the Middle East Airlines or take up the battle with the CAA again to grant me a JAA Class 1?

Is this a bad idea? No guarantees of success I am aware of this. The route would be modular as I suspect the likes of Cabair would say dont pursue integrated unless you are already in possession of a Class 1.

Just want to bounce some ideas of the experienced PRUNERS who have managed to work around some medical issues and now fly successfully.. :{

Thank You.

[Jerry Lee]

Requirements for a Class 1 medical certificate are going to change and become more similar to the american ones by April 2012 if nothing has changed.

We should have some up to date from EASA this month, and I hope requirements will change and become less strict become I too have issues in the visual field.

Anyway, you should be able to get a Class 1 medical certificate if you are a holder of a CPL FAA or ICAO.

I've heard a lot of stories about this way to get a class 1 medical certificate in Europe and it works!

[terrain safe]

Quick question to the wise people who inhabit this Fora. I keep getting visual disturbances such as one gets with a migraine. A headache however doesn't seem to follow these disturbances as I take a couple of tablets ASAP. The cause seems to be if I get dazzled by a light or the sun, you know the type of dazzling which leaves the retina burned with an image for a couple of minutes. The disturbances come about 10 minutes later.

Now should I just live with it as it'll pass or should I see a doctor and let them tell me to live with it?

[Scoobster]

Folks,

Any more replies to this?

Any advice appreciated.

[warrior28a]

Just a question for everyone

I currently hold a GCAA Class 1 medical. I want to convert it into a JAA medical in a few months. MY eye power is not great. Will i face problems in my JAA medicals or are the requirements for GCAA Class 1 medical the same as JAA class 1 medical?

Also how sure are u guys that EASA are changing the requirements in the next few months?

I got some info from the link below

http://easa.europa.eu/rulemaking/docs/npa/2008/NPA%202008-17c.pdf

turn to page 15. Are these the new limits that are required for flying?! There is no 2 dioptres requirements or what ever now?

[worldrover]

Any of you guys that already fly there knows if LASIK is still a No No for a Chinese CAA Class 1?

I know it used to be, but heard they were aligning with JAA/FAA medical standards.

Thanks in advance

[200KIAS]

Looks like the new EASA regulations have been published on the CAA website, under Medical, What's new, 25th Nov 2011.

I had a quick read through part Med and I can't see any diopter limit for initial class one at all. Also looks like no pre op limit for corrective surgery.

Maybe I've made a mistake so have a read yourselves.

What's New | Medical | Safety Regulation (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49&pagetype=87)

[alex230380]

...I was wandering when somebody here in pprune would notice this Europan Commission act. I red carefully the whole document and they don't specify any pre-operatory limit. They only mention "satisfactory ophthalmic evaluation".
Being 1 dioptry out of the pre-operatory limit, and having only a long term deviation Class 1 medical (CAA UK) I would open a Champagne bottle BUT I'd better to wait if they publish something explaining what's a "satisfactory ophthalmic evaluation".
I really hope it will be as it looks like.
Best wishes!

[BabyBear]

I have my class 2 arranged for next week and coincidentally went for an eye test this week. The optician suggested I required to have a full eye test, including colour vision test, done and the appropriate MED162 completed for submission to the CAA with my medical.

Is it now a requirement to have a full eye test done every year as part of the medical?

[fra0015]

EASA has published the AMC/GM Part-MED (http://easa.europa.eu/agency-measures/docs/agency-decisions/2011/2011-015-R/AMC%20and%20GM%20on%20the%20medical%20certification%20of%20p ilots%20and%20medical%20fitness%20of%20cabin%20crew.pdf)

[Neon123678]

Thanks for that document fra0015 (http://www.pprune.org/members/333038-fra0015),after reading it ,there seems to be no mention of astigmatism requirement in the visual requirement section, im praying they have removed it because I failed my initial class 1 with the IAA, a few months ago due to an astigmatism in my left eye of 2.5D. Am I maybe right?, or have I overlooked something?

[ryanp16]

Is this EASA thing replacing the JAR/CAA medical or what's the story?


Also, when it says:
Applicants with diplopia shall be assessed as unfit.

Spectacles and contact lenses. If satisfactory visual function is achieved only with the use of correction [...]


What happens if the diplopia is removed by the use of prism contact lenses? Are you then valid?

[chris2309]

This new document that has been released seems to contradict the one released in December, because as 200KIAS mentions, there was originally no dioptre limit and you could be assessed as fit providing you could obtain 6/6 vision either corrected or uncorrected, but this new document has the original JAA limits of -6 and +5.

The new document does however state that someone outside the limits can be assessed fit by the licensing authority so I hope this means that our CAA can examine you on a case by case basis and assess you as fit. I hope I have understood this correctly and that this is in fact the case because my eyesight is -7.5 and I was issued with a deviation in July 2010 with the understanding it would be removed once I had my CPL.

The CAA just keep asking me to look at EASA’s website and won’t answer my questions surrounding this issue– I’m just hoping these new regulations don’t render me unfit :sad:

[sdvetha]

Hi guys,

I have astigmatism of -3.75 and -2.75 I can be corrected with glasses but want to know if this is over some kind of a limit even though corrected to 6/6 vision. Also if I was to get laser eye surgery would this make me eligible if I was over a limit with just glasses. I'm in Australia so this would be directed to CASA requirements

thanks for your help in advance!

[jetcareerseeker]

Your astigmatism shouldn't be a problem. Check the regs through CASA on your error. They don't have issues with eyesight so long as you are correctable to 6/6.

[sdvetha]

cheers I just wanted to find out bout the astigmatism because I am correctable to 6/6 with glasses but if astigmatism is a problem then I'd need to fork out the cash for laser surgery

[sdvetha]

WOW!
correct me if I'm wrong but: from this document http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/manuals/regulate/dame/080r0201.pdf

I found this: Professional Flight Crew and ATCs
"For all professional flight crew and ATCs: 6/9, corrected if necessary, in each eye
separately. Additionally, the acuity must be 6/6 or better when tested with both eyes open."

Doesn't that meant you don't even need to be perfect vision corrected??

[WELCO]

Yes.. & this CASA requirement that you are referring to is similar to the JAA/EASA class 1 requirement.

Good luck!

[200KIAS]

Im absolutely amazed. 87 pages, 1740 post on vision and people hoping to pass a pilots medical and hardly anyone has realised that EASA rules coming into force this summer will allow most to fly! I cant believe no one other then a couple have mentioned it!!!!!!!! go on the CAA’s website and read the EASA documents on medical.

I honestly cant believe there is not much being said about the news............


Incredible!

Best of luck to all, It looks like things are going to work out for most of you with regards to EASA vision requirements. :ok:

[ayebmi]

Hi guys,

I think I'm finally arriving at the conclusion that, according to the EASA document of December 2011, the laser eye surgery pre-operative maximum prescription of -6.00 will no longer apply once EASA takes over regulation from April 2012, is this correct?

- So EASA will be effectively taking over setting visual standards from the CAA from April?
- You will be able to fly regardless as long as your CORRECTED vision is within standards?
- Laser eye surgery WILL be permited for short sight?

I'd really appreciate some clarification, the CAA seems very murky in clearly outlining these pretty major changes to regulations and responsibility, which seem huge to me! Maybe I've got it all wrong!?

AB

[200KIAS]

Yes I read it the same way. Even though it says -6 or better can be granted a medical, it also says that if you are a greater diopter then you can be referred to the authority. Its the way I read it anyway.

It loks like its the change everyone has been waiting for...........

[strikermacguire]

What you're reading is a very broad overview. For the finer details, you need to visit the EASA website and read the Part-Med document released on 15th December 2011

[200KIAS]

Yes the EASA PART MED 15th Dec is the document you need to read. It looks like its a big change from JAR and one for the better.

[ayebmi]

That is the document I read and took these basic understandings from, so uncorrected vision doesn't really count any more (if simple short sight) as long as corrected (with contacts or glasses) vision is 20/20?

[Ollie247]

Good evening all,

As an avid follower of this topic/thread and this forum I have been following the new EASA standards with great interest. Like you all I have been unable to fly due to the genetics of poor eyesight and therefore have been able to gain my much wanted Class 1 certificate.

I have got to admit that I would be really interested to see the link that you have for this document as the document that I have been reading says something slightly different.

So I have been and reading the document and as much as I don't want to be a kill joy to it all but I think you may have been reading the standards for lesser medical certificates than the Class 1 we all crave.

The document is built in 3 parts:

Class 1 first, Class 2 second and then requirements for Cabin Crew last.

As far as I can see the visual standards for a Class 1 medical certificate seem to be very close tithe current JAR standard.

The changes to Class 2 seem to be quite different but I have got to admit that I'm not to bothered about those.

The major change that I think that I have seen is that there does not seem to now be a pre-operative limit for laser or refractive surgery for short sight as there is for long sight. (Myopia etc)

Now please don't get me wrong here, I want my Class 1 as much as the next person on this thread and have been wanting this since I was 5 years old, trust me that is a long time but I just don't want to be getting my hopes up if what I have read is correct.

So after my letter block of words, if anyone would like to correct me as I'm wrong I would be completely delighted for you to do so and to also get in contact with me as I have been an avid researcher of this for a very, very, very long time.

Anyway, good luck to all, let's hope you are all right and I am wrong and very much hope to share the sky's with you all soon.

Thanks

Ollie

[Ollie247]

And to add to my earlier post here is the direct pull from the document:

AMC1 MED.B.070 Visual system
(a) Eye examination
(1) At each aero-medical revalidation examination, an assessment of the visual fitness should be undertaken and the eyes should be examined with regard to possible pathology.
(2) All abnormal and doubtful cases should be referred to an ophthalmologist. Conditions which indicate ophthalmological examination include, but are not limited to, a substantial decrease in the uncorrected visual acuity, any decrease in best corrected visual acuity and/or the occurrence of eye disease, eye injury, or eye surgery.
(3) Where specialist ophthalmological examinations are required for any significant reason, this should be imposed as a limitation on the medical certificate.
(b) Comprehensive eye examination
A comprehensive eye examination by an eye specialist is required at the initial examination. All abnormal and doubtful cases should be referred to an ophthalmologist. The examination should include:
(1) history;
(2) visual acuities - near, intermediate and distant vision (uncorrected and with best optical correction if needed);
(3) examination of the external eye, anatomy, media (slit lamp) and fundoscopy;
(4) ocular motility;
(5) binocular vision;
(6) colour vision;
(7) visual fields;
(8) tonometry on clinical indication; and
(9) refraction hyperopic initial applicants with a hyperopia of more than +2 dioptres and under the age of 25 should undergo objective refraction in cycloplegia.
(c) Routine eye examination
A routine eye examination may be performed by an AME and should include:
(1) history;
(2) visual acuities - near, intermediate and distant vision (uncorrected and with best optical correction if needed);
(3) examination of the external eye, anatomy, media and fundoscopy;
(4) further examination on clinical indication.
(d) Refractive error
(1) At initial examination an applicant may be assessed as fit with:
hypermetropia not exceeding +5.0 dioptres;(ii) myopia not exceeding –6.0 dioptres;
(iii) astigmatism not exceeding 2.0 dioptres;
(iv) anisometropia not exceeding 2.0 dioptres
provided that optimal correction has been considered and no significant pathology is demonstrated.
(2) Initial applicants who do not meet the requirements in (1)(ii), (iii) and (iv) above should be referred to the licensing authority. A fit assessment may be considered following review by an ophthalmologist.
(3) At revalidation an applicant may be assessed as fit with:
(i) hypermetropia not exceeding +5.0 dioptres;
(ii) myopia exceeding –6.0 dioptres;
(iii) astigmatism exceeding 2.0 dioptres;
(iv) anisometropia exceeding 2.0 dioptres
provided that optimal correction has been considered and no significant pathology is demonstrated.
(4) If anisometropia exceeds 3.0 dioptres, contact lenses should be worn.
(5) If the refractive error is +3.0 to +5.0 or –3.0 to –6.0 dioptres, there is astigmatism or anisometropia of more than 2 dioptres but less than 3 dioptres, a review should be undertaken 5 yearly by an eye specialist.
(6) If the refractive error is greater than –6.0 dioptres, there is more than 3.0 dioptres of astigmatism or anisometropia exceeds 3.0 dioptres, a review should be undertaken 2 yearly by an eye specialist.
(7) In cases (5) and (6) above, the applicant should supply the eye specialist’s report to the AME. The report should be forwarded to the licensing authority as part of the medical examination report. All abnormal and doubtful cases should be referred to an ophthalmologist.
(e) Uncorrected visual acuity
No limits apply to uncorrected visual acuity.
(f) Substandard vision
(1) Applicants with reduced central vision in one eye may be assessed as fit if the binocular visual field is normal and the underlying pathology is acceptable according to ophthalmological assessment. A satisfactory medical flight test and a multi-pilot limitation are required.
(2) An applicant with acquired substandard vision in one eye may be assessed as fit with a multi-pilot limitation if:
(i) the better eye achieves distant visual acuity of 6/6 (1.0), corrected or uncorrected;
(ii) the better eye achieves intermediate visual acuity of N14 and N5 for near;
(iii) in the case of acute loss of vision in one eye, a period of adaptation time has passed from the known point of visual loss, during which the applicant should be assessed as unfit;
(iv) there is no significant ocular pathology; and(v) a medical flight test is satisfactory.
(3) An applicant with a visual field defect may be assessed as fit if the binocular visual field is normal and the underlying pathology is acceptable to the licensing authority.
(g) Keratoconus
Applicants with keratoconus may be assessed as fit if the visual requirements are met with the use of corrective lenses and periodic review is undertaken by an ophthalmologist.
(h) Heterophoria
Applicants with heterophoria (imbalance of the ocular muscles) exceeding:
(1) at 6 metres:
2.0 prism dioptres in hyperphoria, 10.0 prism dioptres in esophoria, 8.0 prism dioptres in exophoria and
(2) at 33 centimetres:
1.0 prism dioptre in hyperphoria, 8.0 prism dioptres in esophoria, 12.0 prism dioptres in exophoria
should be assessed as unfit. The applicant should be reviewed by an ophthalmologist and if the fusional reserves are sufficient to prevent asthenopia and diplopia a fit assessment may be considered.
(i) Eye surgery
The assessment after eye surgery should include an ophthalmological examination.
(1) After refractive surgery, a fit assessment may be considered, provided that:
(i) pre-operative refraction was not greater than +5 dioptres;
(ii) post-operative stability of refraction has been achieved (less than 0.75 dioptres variation diurnally);
(iii) examination of the eye shows no post-operative complications;
(iv) glare sensitivity is within normal standards;
(v) mesopic contrast sensitivity is not impaired;
(vi) review is undertaken by an eye specialist.
(2) Cataract surgery entails unfitness. A fit assessment may be considered after 3 months.
(3) Retinal surgery entails unfitness. A fit assessment may be considered 6 months after successful surgery. A fit assessment may be acceptable earlier after retinal laser therapy. Follow-up may be required.
(4) Glaucoma surgery entails unfitness. A fit assessment may be considered 6 months after successful surgery. Follow-up may be required.(5) For (2), (3) and (4) above, a fit assessment may be considered earlier if recovery is complete.
(j) Correcting lenses
Correcting lenses should permit the licence holder to meet the visual requirements at all distances.
AMC1 MED B.075 Colour vision
(a) At revalidation, colour vision should be tested on clinical indication.
(b) The Ishihara test (24 plate version) is considered passed if the first 15 plates, presented in a random order, are identified without error.
(c) Those failing the Ishihara test should be examined either by:
(1) anomaloscopy (Nagel or equivalent). This test is considered passed if the colour match is trichromatic and the matching range is 4 scale units or less; or by
(2) lantern testing with a Spectrolux, Beynes or Holmes-Wright lantern. This test is considered passed if the applicant passes without error a test with accepted lanterns.

[OYPJN]

Hello Ollie247

You are right. I too have been following this thread for quite some time. And the new EASA rules, since I have one eye outside the limits of -6!!!

Until December 14, there was no dioptre limit in the proposed changes.

In the new Annex to Decision 2011/015/R (http://easa.europa.eu/agency-measures/docs/agency-decisions/2011/2011-015-R/AMC%20and%20GM%20on%20the%20medical%20certification%20of%20p ilots%20and%20medical%20fitness%20of%20cabin%20crew.pdf), the dioptre limit is back. See page 25 and 26.

The rules was changed at the last minute...

No pre-operative refraction limit for myopia anymore. Thats the good news. I can get a L@sik eye surgery, and should bee able to pass Class 1 Medical when the rules change from JAR-FCL3 to EASA Part-Med.

[bairni]

Yes the EASA PART MED 15th Dec is the document you need to read. It looks like its a big change from JAR and one for the better.

Document: http://tinyurl.com/easafcl

Is this the document the Medical Center will refer to when I'll make my Medical Class I after April 2012?

Because this Guidance Material published in December 2011 differs slightly from the EU regulation published in November 2011.

Happy landings

[200KIAS]

Ive been referring to the latest document dated 15th Dec 2011.

Extract from under Class 1 not class 2. Yes class ONE

(1) At initial examination an applicant may be assessed as fit with:

(ii) myopia not exceeding –6.0 dioptres; "yes this is not a change but the following is"

(2) Initial applicants who do not meet the requirements in (1)(ii), (iii) and (iv) above should be referred to the licensing authority. A fit assessment may be considered following review by an ophthalmologist.

[SAS-A321]

Don't get too excited. I recall reading something similar back in 2008 and wrote the UK CAA and they said that they could not grant me a class 1 medical. I had -7.25.
I went another way getting an ICAO license and then I was granted a medical under renewal requirements. :E

[Gwynge]

Hi all, new to this forum - long term flexwing PPL but looking today at future career options.
Stumbled across this thread whilst looking for Class 1 requirements.

So let me try and understand:
1. CAA/ JAR require maximum of -5 for eyesight without correction (I fail)
2. FAA require 20/20 WITH CORRECTION (I pass)
3. FAA pilots fly in UK airspace

So how does this work? Is the -5 limitation due to safety? In which case how come the FAA licence holders are permitted? Can't be "safety" then. Or clearly not critical. Or put another way - I would be discriminated against due to what I would consider a disability. And because we allow FAA pilots in this would surely be an unfair discrimination wouldn't it?

Have I got this right?

[2close]

Gwynge,

Yes, it would appear to be disability discrimination within the meaning of a disability under the DDA.

However, the first problem you would have is that, if you took action against the UK CAA in the UK Courts they would try to apply the safety argument, although you could present evidence of FACT that, as the regulators of UK airspace they permit foreign pilots to fly commercially within that airspace whilst denying UK citizens the right to do exactly the same thing. They may have a problem claiming consistency across that argument.

The additional impending problem is that, as of April all previous requirements become EU law and the UK can simply claim that they are applying that law to the letter; subsequently any claim is against EASA (the author of the legislation) and not the CAA.

You can guarantee a protracted legal battle which would cost bonkers amounts of money.

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[ramseyoptom]

I regret to say that my understanding of the Disability Discrimination Act is that it does not extend to a refractive error, ie the need to wear spectacles.

I have noted that in discussing the new requirements the phrase 'no anisometropia of over 2 dioptres' has been overlooked. For information this means if your refractive error (and although I have read the document EASA MED 15 Dec but not throughly) it will possibly determined using spherical equivalent error (mean sphere) and if for example your right eye is -3.00DS and your left is -5.50DS then you will fall outside the limits.

[Jerry Lee]

Referring to the EASA Part-med, does anybody know when this will enter into force in the UK and in Spain?
I know for sure that in Germany and Italy the new EASA normatives will not enter into force before July 2013.

[ayebmi]

From what I've read the new EASA regulations come into being in April (2012) and the UK will implement them from 1st July 2012.

[Je5ter]

Hi all,

Can anyone confirm whether the Class 2 medical still has a refractice error limit? I see it is specified that Class 1 is -6 but there doesn't seem to be anything stated for Class 2.

Am currently exempted from even a Class 2 by being just outside of the -8 refractive limit :mad: which I'm sure doesn't have a scientific basis for this arbitrary limit

Thanks for any info!

[strikermacguire]

Fairly certain they've got rid of refractive limits for Class 2.

Email [email protected] to make sure.

[Jerry Lee]

Class 1 does not have refractive limit either, am I right? The only point is that if someone has an astigmatism of -3,00 dioptres - that's me - he can obtain a class 1 medical certificate but the candidate must take a review by an eye specilist every two years. Do you confirm, guys?

[piggybank]

I carry out helicopter maintenance and have a cataract in the left eye, I'm 62 years old. To date regular changes of glasses have helped. I am short sighted in both eyes. I want to have an operation to solve this problem. The medical insurance cover I have is high (over a million GBP) but that does not mean they will want to cover costs for what they call premium lens' unless I can justify the need.
From searching the Internet, its looking like what I need is one focusing lens fitted and one for the right eye that will be fixed. I expect to be in hands on maintenance till age 70 and kick the bucket at 85, so the len's will have to last a while.
Any information on what I should be asking for would be most welcome.

[dlcmdrx]

Please explain following pharagrhs:

(2) Initial applicants who do not meet the requirements in (1)(ii), (iii) and (iv) above should be referred to the licensing authority. A fit assessment may be considered following review by an ophthalmologist.

(6) If the refractive error is greater than –6.0 dioptres, there is more than 3.0 dioptres of astigmatism or anisometropia exceeds 3.0 dioptres, a review should be undertaken 2 yearly by an eye specialist.

Does this mean there is hope for more than 3 on astigmatism??

[dan_vector]

Yes there is hope! I have 3.5 astigmatism and was granted an initial class 2 after having a scan for keracatonus. I was then issued a medical with deviation from JAR requirements. Once I passed the PPL the CAA reissued an unrestricted medical. The AME will do all of the medical and just refer the astigmatism issue to the CAA.

[dlcmdrx]

So they will get you a first class soon dan?? Or Are you talking about a second class??

[chris2309]

The CAA have just released a publication regarding the EASA transition into Part-Med:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20120326EASAMedicalCertification.pdf

I've been pestering them for the last few weeks for clarification about my deviation but kept being told they had a heavy workload and would get back to me as soon as - perhaps they were waiting to update this document first... who knows