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SWBKCB 30th September 2022 09:34


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11305223)
Really? KLM have a decent network already and have rules around how many routes they can codeshare on? From memory last time wasn’t it two?

Let’s look at the routes:

Belfast-LHR : BA and Aer Lingus already operate it so any carrier looking for a codeshare has a choice (the two other carriers also having much more frequent flights)

AMS-LHR: BA and KLM already operate at much higher frequencies and business friendly times.

NQY-LHR: seasonal service by BA.

IOM-LHR: up against a daily Loganair flight (which already codeshares with BA and is supported by IOM gov).

Other than NQY there are more attractive partners on all their LHR routes and NQY is hardly that popular when BA with their massive network can’t sustain it.

Do BA code-share with members of other alliances?

TartinTon 30th September 2022 09:34


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11305223)
Really? KLM have a decent network already and have rules around how many routes they can codeshare on? From memory last time wasn’t it two?

Let’s look at the routes:

Belfast-LHR : BA and Aer Lingus already operate it so any carrier looking for a codeshare has a choice (the two other carriers also having much more frequent flights)

AMS-LHR: BA and KLM already operate at much higher frequencies and business friendly times.

NQY-LHR: seasonal service by BA.

IOM-LHR: up against a daily Loganair flight (which already codeshares with BA and is supported by IOM gov).

Other than NQY there are more attractive partners on all their LHR routes and NQY is hardly that popular when BA with their massive network can’t sustain it.

Maybe there is huge demand for airlines to buy seats on Flybe but I’m not optimistic and with the competition, Flybe will need to offer cheaper prices to win the deals which in turn is not good for profit as it must be pretty costly operating into LHR and only having 76 seats to divide the cost by.

They need to find a niche but going up against big, well established and well funded carriers is not going to work.

It might surprise you to find that the world doesn't revolve around BA.....there are plenty of other carriers to share with.

BA318 30th September 2022 10:02


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11305466)
Do BA code-share with members of other alliances?

yes. Most carriers also code share outside their alliances.

BA says this: “Alongside British Airways flights, we list many codeshare services on ba.com operated by our oneworld partners as well as Aer Lingus, airBaltic, Bangkok Airways, China Eastern, Fiji Airways, Kenya Airways, Loganair, Vistara and Vueling Airlines.”

BA318 30th September 2022 10:06


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 11305467)
It might surprise you to find that the world doesn't revolve around BA.....there are plenty of other carriers to share with.

I’m well aware of that and didn’t specifically say BA was the only choice. Equally having 15 codeshares still won’t save you if everything else isn’t right. Look at Flybe1 or BMI.

Personally I don’t think the LHR routes will survive regardless. The other routes are probably possible to survive without codeshares just on local demand.

Rutan16 30th September 2022 18:42


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 11305467)
It might surprise you to find that the world doesn't revolve around BA.....there are plenty of other carriers to share with.

Codeshares carrying others clients at a penny in the pound literally DESTROY small carriers .

Evidence BMI, Flybe( ver 1), Adria, Malev, Regional ( Kenya), Air Litterol/TAT need I go on

Primary problem is commitment to prioritise the “others” feed over better revenue potential on own dockets and point to point eroding earnings potential, and demands on service delivery and standards.

A different perspective are genuine joint ventures or as in the US the smaller carriers operating under protected scope clauses through.

Right now Flybe would be wise to prioritise their own customers imho.




BHD2BFS 6th October 2022 18:08

Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?

SKOJB 6th October 2022 18:12


Originally Posted by BHD2BFS (Post 11309237)
Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?

Everything is for sale at the right price! 😉

southamptonavgeek 6th October 2022 18:19


Originally Posted by BHD2BFS (Post 11309237)
Is there any truth that Flybe are for sale?

I seem to recall it was reported late last year. Is this a new report circulating?

hec7or 6th October 2022 19:36

Is it possible that the LHR slots have a value?

JobsaGoodun 9th October 2022 05:17


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 11309238)
Everything is for sale at the right price! 😉

Agreed. I can’t see anyone in the UK regional market making money right now. I’m sure if you offered the owners of Flybe, Loganair, Blue Islands & Eastern enough money to sell up, I imagine they’d take it.

BHD2BFS 9th October 2022 23:35

Does anyone know what's going on with the schedule
lots of flights cancelled over the last few days and flight radar showing more flights cancelled tomorrow already

allan1987 10th October 2022 12:12


Originally Posted by BHD2BFS (Post 11310729)
Does anyone know what's going on with the schedule
lots of flights cancelled over the last few days and flight radar showing more flights cancelled tomorrow already

G-JECX gone Tech in BHX, with no slack, is causing delays and flights cancelled

Wycombe 10th October 2022 15:03


Originally Posted by allan1987 (Post 11311016)
G-JECX gone Tech in BHX, with no slack, is causing delays and flights cancelled

Apparently an "aircraft late out of maintenance" is also adding to the problems.

BA318 10th October 2022 16:30


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11311098)
Apparently an "aircraft late out of maintenance" is also adding to the problems.

Surely such a tight schedule with so little slack must end up costing them more than it’s saving. Just from BHD there were 6 cancellations between yesterday afternoon and today. The compensation payments and recovery costs (alternative flights, hotels, duty of care etc) must easily start to wipe out all the money received and some.

social media also seems to have countless examples of people being put on new flights which are also subsequently cancelled and Flybe telling passengers they won’t cover the cost of new flights/not providing hotel or transport to the hotel.

BHD2BFS 10th October 2022 17:04

Surely the long term impact of losing passengers to easyJet and aer Lingus is more concerning for them when the regular business traveller begins to lose faith and can't risk missing a meeting.
business travel is their bread and butter and once that goes the claw back to recovery becomes hard

BA318 28th October 2022 12:52


Originally Posted by Jenny Tails (Post 11300005)
Flybe are back at IOM:

BHD-IOM starts 30/10/22
BE606 BHD 1420-1500 IOM (Mon-Fri) BE608 BHD 1805-1845 IOM (Sun)
BE609 IOM 1920-2000 BHD (Sun) BE607 IOM 2015-2055 BHD (Mon-Fri)

IOM-LHR starts 31/10/22
BE725 IOM 1545-1720 LHR (Mon-Fri)
BE726 LHR 1805-1940 IOM (Mon-Fri)

Cancelled before it even begins. And with just two days notice they will be liable for EU/UK 261 compensation to all customers booked within the next two weeks… https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...BlU7-4CrVKkdA8

How many times are they going to do this? Stop announcing new routes if you have no idea when your planes can reliably arrive for you to use.


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