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Wycombe 23rd August 2022 16:13


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11283764)
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.

LHR-NQY will work I think because a lot of people in Cornwall want LHR for connections - NQY's social media channels have been very positive about this news since the announcement yesterday

Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet.

SKOJB 23rd August 2022 17:26


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.

Would imagine SOU will be a base of some type from March next year with the added routes

SWBKCB 23rd August 2022 17:36


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.

Loganair use the ATR into LHR from IOM.

Albert Hall 23rd August 2022 19:22


There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened.
SOU looks to have a based aircraft from 2 March, though whether it becomes a crew base is anyone's guess. With the aircraft serving MAN, EDI and GLA (none of which are bases) then it would presumably be quite difficult to run that schedule without SOU becoming a base. They managed LBA-LHR on that basis though and look to be intending to run NQY-LHR-NQY-MAN-BHD from the BHD base - although it's not easy to see how a rested crew will be in NQY to fly the morning departure.

Talk of EXT becoming a base? I'd put that alongside the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all. Believe it when you see it!


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11283764)
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.

Have another look at Ryanair's Cork network. It's significantly larger than you've mentioned nowadays and explains why Emerald (and presumably Flybe) are going anywhere near it.

Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable....



SWBKCB 23rd August 2022 19:31


Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK.
just to expand on Mr Hall's comments - RYR have flights from Cork to MAN, STN, EDI, LPL, LGW, BHX and LTN tomorrow, as well as FAO, GRO, AGP, REU, AHO (!) and PMI

SealinkBF 24th August 2022 07:23


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 11283775)
LHR-NQY will work I think because a lot of people in Cornwall want LHR for connections - NQY's social media channels have been very positive about this news since the announcement yesterday

Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet.

FlyBe should really start working on codeshares then.

cavokblues 24th August 2022 07:50


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11283866)

Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable....

Dare I ask about the unmentionable and what it is? This is a rumour network after all.....

Wycombe 24th August 2022 08:22


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 11284100)
FlyBe should really start working on codeshares then.

Apparently they are (this will be also be important at MAN, and you would think in AMS also), so watch this space I guess?

nwoody2001 24th August 2022 09:11


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.

You obviously have not looked at the recent announcement and time tables.... SOU will be abase from March with 1x based aircraft flying EDI/GLA/MAN flights

southamptonavgeek 24th August 2022 10:18


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11283866)
...the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all...

Those numbers came directly from Flybe press releases late last year:


Assisted by the global leader in regional aircraft leasing, Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC), [G-JECX] will be one of twelve on lease from NAC, with these NAC planes being some of the first to join Flybe’s planned fleet of thirty-two Dash 8-400 aircraft.

biddedout 24th August 2022 12:12

I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's. The loads were quite good and would probably be even better with LHR and its potential connections. Also, the ramping up of the BE operation ties in nicely with the reduction of domestic APD which will help offset the fact that this is not a PSO route.

Days after Flybe Mk 1 collapsed, BA and others leapt in promising to save the day but with nothing like the number of rotations and certainly not 7 dpw. Covid put an end to that and BA are only now showing a token interest and on some days are even trying to flog NQY to London via Logan and Emerald connections taking 6-9 hours. So they really aren't interested. BA's early enthusiasm was probably more to do with slot protection at LHR than the interests of the SW.

Unlike the ATR's, the Dashes can perform like jets below 10k so will be able to fit in at LHR once back to capacity so this all makes a lot of sense and with the possibility of codeshares, it is probably a very sound move.

Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail.

BA318 24th August 2022 14:37


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11284365)
Erm that route along with Teeside in May 202 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/

Might want to check Flightradar24 which shows LM675 and LM676 operating daily between IOM and LHR.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...london-routes/

BHX5DME 24th August 2022 14:51


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11284370)
I stand corrected on that then. I'm surprised RYR have flights from BHX to ORK as I wouldn't have thought there is enough demand to fill a 737 compared to an ATR or Q400.

And always more or less full !
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter

Skipness One Foxtrot 24th August 2022 18:01


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11284365)
Erm that route along with Teeside in May 2022 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/

Finger on the pulse as never. Teesside was axed alongside one of the based aircraft but IOM was restored with help from the IOM Govt. It had previously been a BA route flown by a......Loganair ATR. There is no bar nor has there ever been a bar on the ATR into LHR.

mart901 24th August 2022 21:38


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 11284389)
And always more or less full !
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter

It's had a mixture of RE ATR double daily + WW 737 several days per week and in more recent times EIR up to 3x daily pre covid. Going back it's had maersk/brymon doing BAC 1-11 flights too, definitely high demand.

oapilot 25th August 2022 10:13


Originally Posted by biddedout (Post 11284282)
I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's.

Before Flybe got involved Gatwick effectively subsidised the whole of Air Southwests network, allowing it to provide links on thin routes across the U.K. Flybe uwanted it, and used ticket price to get it, taking ASW down and losing the Southwest most of its local connectivity. I could never understand how they took a route making several million a year and turn it into a PSO.


Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail
The Sumburgh ten sector special was amusing, but they also lost hands down on Kirkwall and Stornaway which were operated by other airframes.

It was deja vu but up against an operator that would rather go to the wall than roll over and let Flybe have what it wanted.

cavokblues 26th August 2022 06:28

I am a tad surprised we've not yet seen Flybe take up LHR EDI on the BMI remedy slots.


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