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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11283764)
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.
Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet. |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.
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There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. Talk of EXT becoming a base? I'd put that alongside the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all. Believe it when you see it!
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11283764)
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.
Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable.... |
Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. |
Originally Posted by Wycombe
(Post 11283775)
LHR-NQY will work I think because a lot of people in Cornwall want LHR for connections - NQY's social media channels have been very positive about this news since the announcement yesterday
Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11283866)
Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable.... |
Originally Posted by SealinkBF
(Post 11284100)
FlyBe should really start working on codeshares then.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11283806)
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11283866)
...the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all...
Assisted by the global leader in regional aircraft leasing, Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC), [G-JECX] will be one of twelve on lease from NAC, with these NAC planes being some of the first to join Flybe’s planned fleet of thirty-two Dash 8-400 aircraft. |
I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's. The loads were quite good and would probably be even better with LHR and its potential connections. Also, the ramping up of the BE operation ties in nicely with the reduction of domestic APD which will help offset the fact that this is not a PSO route.
Days after Flybe Mk 1 collapsed, BA and others leapt in promising to save the day but with nothing like the number of rotations and certainly not 7 dpw. Covid put an end to that and BA are only now showing a token interest and on some days are even trying to flog NQY to London via Logan and Emerald connections taking 6-9 hours. So they really aren't interested. BA's early enthusiasm was probably more to do with slot protection at LHR than the interests of the SW. Unlike the ATR's, the Dashes can perform like jets below 10k so will be able to fit in at LHR once back to capacity so this all makes a lot of sense and with the possibility of codeshares, it is probably a very sound move. Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail. |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11284365)
Erm that route along with Teeside in May 202 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/ https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...london-routes/ |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11284370)
I stand corrected on that then. I'm surprised RYR have flights from BHX to ORK as I wouldn't have thought there is enough demand to fill a 737 compared to an ATR or Q400.
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11284365)
Erm that route along with Teeside in May 2022 are both axed. Loganair no longer fly into Heathrow and given the current improved passenger outlook I don't think ATRs are allowed into Heathrow as they are too slow.
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/loganair-flies-to-lhr/ |
Originally Posted by BHX5DME
(Post 11284389)
And always more or less full !
Increases from 3pw to 5pw this Winter |
Originally Posted by biddedout
(Post 11284282)
I remember when the Newquay surf and second home stay-cation scene really got going about 15 years or so ago. BA started on the route with 737's from LGW and I think one or two other operators piled in too - Ryan, Easy and GO? They gradually lost interest and eventually the route was taken on and slowly grown by Flybe using Dashes and 195's.
Going back to the problems of the past. Taking on Loganair in their own back yard was not the smartest idea but it partly failed because BE tried to operate a single Embraer on a TEN sector day. Anyone with experience of the Highlands and Islands weather, remoteness and lack of engineering cover would realise that this was doomed to fail It was deja vu but up against an operator that would rather go to the wall than roll over and let Flybe have what it wanted. |
I am a tad surprised we've not yet seen Flybe take up LHR EDI on the BMI remedy slots.
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