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With the loads factors of 19% according to the CAA, expensive wet leases and a large amount of cancellations and delays I would not think flybe's biggest concern is who has a UK licence.
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Originally Posted by biddedout
(Post 11279465)
An interesting response from the CAA Northsands.
I have been pondering these figures too and wondering if Flybe management have been questioning why the CAA and DFT appear to be bending over backwards to make life easy for Aer Lingus, BA and IAG to virtually monopolise the BHD LHR route. It looks like over 60% of the passengers carried by the supposedly UK company - Aer Lingus UK are being done on a wet lease basis allowing Aer Lingus the convenient flexibility of not needing to put another Airbus on the UK register. One airframe has been running for years on this UK domestic route without interruption so they have had plenty time to sort this. There isn't even a need to get the crews a UK licence so long as they are allowed to do it as a wet lease. Flybe hopefully are demanding that if EI want to do this route, they should get a G-reg or bugger off, particularly considering the legal battles and appeals that Flybe had to go through with the CAA etc. to just to prise those remedy slots out of BA's mitts. Similar for Emerald. Everyone else has been shafted and has had to quickly adapt to comply the new regime , so why are Emerald being given an easy ride. They have had a couple of years to get a UK AOC running but still no sign. Yet more UK domestic flights not directly regulated by the CAA and not on the G register. If the CAA continue to allow this excessive wet-easing, then they will soon run out of airlines to regulate. Ryanair must be a bit miffed too after setting up R(UK) to cover UK domestics when it looks like they could have just wet leased. |
I think Stobart had actually got the G reg on the fleet with stickers over it with the EI reg before they went under. I thought that Emerald operating under the BACF AOC. Could be wrong
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Originally Posted by BHD2BFS
(Post 11279480)
With the loads factors of 19% according to the CAA, expensive wet leases and a large amount of cancellations and delays I would not think flybe's biggest concern is who has a UK licence.
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
(Post 11280624)
These figures are wrong, I understand BHX flights alone had more pax in total in May than the CAA total figures.
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Winter now loading on Flybe site
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
(Post 11280638)
Winter now loading on Flybe site
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They're holding 3 x daily SOU-MAN but from 2 March 2023 after cutting back the start date ahead of this week's deadline for unwanted Winter slots.
This winter schedule seems very weird. Why would you stop BHX-EDI and BHX-GLA at the end of the summer and restart on 24 November after a three-week gap? That doesn't look like a part-way-through-loading issue. |
may be a gap in leasing or delivery?
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Where are these timetables showing? Can't find them on the website, and do we have a launch date for them to go on sale ?
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Originally Posted by mart901
(Post 11280908)
Where are these timetables showing? Can't find them on the website, and do we have a launch date for them to go on sale ?
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BHX-EDI and BHX-GLA both go 4 daily from 13.02.23
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Does anybody know what this filing (see Registration of Charge created on 15th August) is about? Is it tax planning or Cyrus just protecting its interests?
Flybe Companies House Filing History |
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11281463)
Hang on a fig pudding minute. The data is only collected from the airlines first month of ops in which case pax numbers are bound to be lower than an airline that's been going for years. On top of that you've got delayed Q400 deliveries and one Q400 taken out of service due to a heavy landing. I for one am getting pissed off with people who look at early data, rumours etc and then scream out "LOOK NEW FLYBE IS A FAILURE!!!" For god sakes give the guys a bloody chance! I would say you need to at least wait until September figures come out when the airline should finally be a lot more stable before making any kind of judgement. Let's not forget 12 months ago we had the same idiots making out new Flybe would never get off the ground and it was all a slot grab, look how utter garbage that has turned out to be.
Considering we had users telling us the reason flights were not on sale was because they were fully sold out, and they were then dropped and now we’ve had people telling us Flybe has great loads and figures then revealed they didn’t, it seems the misinformation has come from those who try and put a positive spin on things. And of course as always we’ve had those who say it can’t possibly be Flybe and the CAA must have messed up, just like their leasing companies and every other group blamed for any problems. It was mentioned before that Flybe said they could operate empty for two years and still survive so who knows maybe 19% is better than expected for month 1. Either way with the delays and cancellations it’s likely they didn’t make much money in month 1. I await the “stop talking Flybe down” posts from Air Southwest and Bean shortly… |
Interesting in the companies house filing is the list of domain names Flybe has registered (I assume to stop squatters for future opportunities and to stop bad ones) they include flybebreaks.com, flybefranchises.com and the more entertaining IhateFlybe.com, flybesucks.com and flybestinks.com
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
(Post 11281463)
Hang on a fig pudding minute. The data is only collected from the airlines first month of ops in which case pax numbers are bound to be lower than an airline that's been going for years. On top of that you've got delayed Q400 deliveries and one Q400 taken out of service due to a heavy landing. I for one am getting pissed off with people who look at early data, rumours etc and then scream out "LOOK NEW FLYBE IS A FAILURE!!!" For god sakes give the guys a bloody chance! I would say you need to at least wait until September figures come out when the airline should finally be a lot more stable before making any kind of judgement. Let's not forget 12 months ago we had the same idiots making out new Flybe would never get off the ground and it was all a slot grab, look how utter garbage that has turned out to be.
June's figires are now largely available if anybody wants to crunch the numbers |
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11281546)
Interesting in the companies house filing is the list of domain names Flybe has registered (I assume to stop squatters for future opportunities and to stop bad ones) they include flybebreaks.com, flybefranchises.com and the more entertaining IhateFlybe.com, flybesucks.com and flybestinks.com
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Load factors for the first 4 months were 65.2% / 56.3% / 58.5% / 54.9%...CAA data to be updated with the proper numbers in the near future, I understand.
They are quite impressive when you consider that capacity growth was 403% Apr - May / 24% May- Jun and 50% Jun - Jul |
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