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SWBKCB 26th August 2022 06:45


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11285407)
I am a tad surprised we've not yet seen Flybe take up LHR EDI on the BMI remedy slots.

Cos it worked so well last time?

cavokblues 26th August 2022 06:58

Ha! But potentially more pickings than Leeds - LHR was ever going to have and they're going up against BA and others on LHR - BHD and AMS so I thought it might have been considered.

Sotonsean 26th August 2022 22:57

SOU
 
With future expansion and with the prospect of Flybe opening up a Southampton base could we possibly see a few more routes announced for summer 2023.

Possible destinations from Southampton alongside there existing services could be to,

​​​​​Jersey
La Rochelle
​​​​​​LeedsNantes
Rennes
Paris CDG

It's just a suggestion obviously.

Del Prado 31st August 2022 17:25


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 11285859)
With future expansion and with the prospect of Flybe opening up a Southampton base could we possibly see a few more routes announced for summer 2023.

Possible destinations from Southampton alongside there existing services could be to,

​​​​​Jersey
La Rochelle
​​​​​​LeedsNantes
Rennes
Paris CDG

It's just a suggestion obviously.

Dont forget Bergerac. SOU-EGC was their most profitable international route.

SKOJB 31st August 2022 17:33


Originally Posted by Del Prado (Post 11288471)
Dont forget Bergerac. SOU-EGC was their most profitable international route.

Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

Sotonsean 31st August 2022 17:53


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 11288473)
Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

BA do indeed fly from Southampton to Bergerac several times a week. But then again Loganair fly multiple times a day between Edinburgh and Glasgow to Southampton. That didn't stop Flybe announcing those two routes in their latest route announcements.

I have to admit that I had totally overlooked Bergerac in my list.

With regards to Southampton to Paris CDG, I much prefer Air France to resume the route rather than Flybe.

Del Prado 31st August 2022 18:40


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 11288473)
Don’t BA already operate that several times a week?

Not really. They do a LCY-EGC-SOU on a Saturday, sometimes another SOU-EGC after that, then reverse on a Sunday and only in the summer. Occasionally Tuesdays too but only school summer hols.
The Saturday flight has been cancelled a lot this summer.

Flybe operated the route daily May-Oct and then 2,3 or 5 times a week the rest of the year.

This shows how profitable the route was but it’s a repost as I copied it from the old thread.

https://www.anna.aero/2020/10/23/fly...till-unserved/

SWBKCB 31st August 2022 18:52


Originally Posted by Del Prado (Post 11288508)

This shows how profitable the route was but it’s a repost as I copied it from the old thread.

https://www.anna.aero/2020/10/23/fly...till-unserved/

So which is right - anna.aero's most profitable routes or Flybe2 have all Flybe1's data? :suspect:

Albert Hall 31st August 2022 20:42

You've got to wonder about that data. It says Birmingham-Milan was one of the most profitable routes in 2019 but in the same breath, that Flybe discontinued services on it in October 2019. Now I think we all could say that Flybe 1 did some crazy things and some might say Flybe 2 isn't far behind.... But closing a highly profitable route (if that data is correct) is quite strange.

The other thing that the data doesn't account for is the Air France blocked space agreements on CDG flights and the tour operator block space on routes like SOU-VRN. The remaining seats on sale via Flybe.com of old were generally at much higher fares than the "wholesale" prices and so if you take the CAA pax figures and apply the high price at which only a small proportion of seats were sold, you can get some skewed answers from this data. Flybe 1's internal accounting and reporting was so poor that it's quite possible Flybe 2 will fall into the same trap though!

oapilot 31st August 2022 22:44


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11288615)
Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.

Wishful thinking. Flybe went bust, Loganair and several others moved in to take the bits of Flybe’s network that were worthwhile.
Claiming that this has only been done to stop a start up airline is a bit wide of the mark.


BA318 1st September 2022 02:54


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11288615)
Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.

Literally no evidence that Loganair are not interested in the routes. Indeed they have stuck at them longer than Flybe did with its Leeds-LHR service.

Still waiting for the acknowledgment about Loganair operating IOM-LHR with ATRs despite you repeatedly “correcting” people as well.

Saabdriver1 1st September 2022 10:15


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11288615)
Loganair have announced they are pulling out of Newquay from November in a spat about NQY welcoming Flybe https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...s-this-winter/

I'm not really surprised about this as Loganair's tactic has basically been to gobble up the profitable bits of Flybe's network purely to stop a new Flybe, when in reality they aren't even interested in the routes.



It's just a daft comment. Flying several dozen flights a day on the former Flybe routes is an odd way of showing a lack of interest. I'd be more concerned if they were gobbling up unprofitable bits of Flybe's old network, that would be a really stupid thing to do!

cavokblues 1st September 2022 10:27

Airlines are only ever (or should be only ever) interested in routes which make money. I don't know what more interest an airline would need to show? Any airline which runs an unprofitable route because they're interested in operating between City A and City B or only for sentimental reasons won't be around for long.

Atlantic Explorer 2nd September 2022 03:07


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 11289143)
Can we stop with all the "daft, stupid, idiotic" comments and try to have a decent conversation for once :)

Hang on a minute ( as I just wipe up the coffee I’ve just spat out) that’s a bit rich coming from you given your recent posting history!! Pot, kettle springs to mind. Take some of your own advice maybe eh?

El Bunto 2nd September 2022 12:07


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11288881)
Airlines are only ever (or should be only ever) interested in routes which make money. I don't know what more interest an airline would need to show? Any airline which runs an unprofitable route because they're interested in operating between City A and City B or only for sentimental reasons won't be around for long.

'Interest' in a route can mean that the airline puts effort into developing the route, for example through advertising and working with tourist and council authorities at each end in order to develop traffic. Essentially all new routes have to start out like this but once an airline has shown interest and developed it then others can move in and take advantage of their work.

The opposite would be, as an example, Ryanair's routes from Belfast that it only seemingly operates when it has some spare airframes and receives promotional airport rates. Opportunistic rather than strategic.

commit aviation 3rd September 2022 10:17

The article dates back to March 2020. Post pandemic I would suggest the market has changed somewhat.
I am sure there would still be demand on many of those routes but the passenger estimates would need revisiting.


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